Re: link for super activated charcoal vs cholestyramine

[Guest guest]

That was interesting article. Does anyone know what this means:

" The effectiveness of cholestyramine in animals that lack functional

cellular receptors for low density lipoprotein was unexpected. "

I have a brother who has significant cholesterol problems and

forming blood clots.

Thanks, Barb B

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Correlative studies of the hypocholesterolemic effect of a highly

activated charcoal.

Tishler PV, Winston SH, Bell SM.

Brockton/West Roxbury Veterans Administration Medical Center, MA.

We have carried out in vitro and animal studies to determine the

cholesterol lowering efficacy of activated charcoals vs.

cholestyramine. In the in vitro studies, we determined the

adsorption capacity (Qm) of cholestyramine and activated charcoals

for cholesterol in glacial acetic acid. Mean (+/- SD) Qm's (mg

cholesterol adsorbed/gm dry sorbent) decreased in the order Super

Char highly activated charcoal (277 +/- 121), Norit USP XX charcoal

(33 +/- 10), Acta-Char charcoal (26 +/- 4), Mallinckrodt USP

charcoal (26 +/- 10), Norit A charcoal (22 +/- 4) and cholestyramine

(0). For the bile salt sodium desoxycholate in ammonia: sodium

bicarbonate, pH 8.2, the Qm with cholestyramine was 4641 +/- 2669

and with Super Char was 2814 +/- 667 (p = 0.11). We then contrasted

the effect of cholestyramine (1%, added to the diet) and Super Char

(1% or 2%) on plasma cholesterol concentrations in rabbits made

hypercholesterolemic with a diet containing casein. The percent

reductions were 61 in one rabbit fed cholestyramine, 61 and 67 in

two rabbits fed 1% Super Char, and 90 in one rabbit fed 2% Super

Char. In WHHL homozygous rabbits, reductions in plasma cholesterol

from pre-treatment and post-treatment levels, respectively, averaged

52% and 38% with 2% cholestyramine (2 animals), 70% and 43% with 2%

Super Char (2 animals), and 70% and 63% with 4% Super Char (3

animals). The effectiveness of cholestyramine in animals that lack

functional cellular receptors for low density lipoprotein was

unexpected. Super Char charcoal appears to be an effective

hypocholesterolemic agent, warranting study in man.

PMID: 3441164 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

--- In , " fletch_82000 " <fletch_8@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Group,

> The U.S.P. (United States Pharmacopoeia) standard for Activated

> Charcoal specifies an internal surface area of 1000 m2/g (square

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Group,

> > The U.S.P. (United States Pharmacopoeia) standard for Activated

> > Charcoal specifies an internal surface area of 1000 m2/g (square

[Guest guest]

Well the source of this article is good. It is not from a source

that would be hyping a product. It is a source of many scientific

research news. Charcoal has been used successfully for hundreds of

years without harm and that means alot to me. I am distrustful of

anything a pharmacy concocts anyway when compared to something that

has been used for this long with this much useful experience.

Perhaps cholestyramine is much more potent. I trust it works as Dr

Shoemaker's research has shown.

That doesn't mean charcoal is not a good means of reducing poisons

in the body. I don't think 'super' is refering to a particular

brand so I don't think any hype, just charcoal formulated in a

particular way that is being used by a number of brands that makes

it more absorbent.

This link shown charcoal has been used for an extremely diverse

number of uses. It's hard to believe it would not pull mycotoxins

as well, even if not as quickly as CSM.

My doctor has recommended I take 4 capsules of activated charcoal at

night and he is very good MD who practices traditional medicine as

well as holistic health. I research everything he recommends before

taking it and have never found anything to be controversial.

--- In , " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...>

wrote:

>

> Group --

>

> It sounds to me like the basic criteria for this study was not

> relevant to what the intent of use of Cholestyramine (CSM) is for

> biotoxin patients.

[Guest guest]

I referred to link in below post but then didn't include link. It

is interesting to note that directions to take activated charcoal as

essentially the same as CSM, empty stomach, wait two hours before

taking medicine; effective at lowering cholesterol. Dr Shoemaker

said cholesterol lowering drugs (CSM and others) seem to be the most

helpful in countering the effects of mycotoxins. I don't know if he

was referring to inflamatory process or eliminating the toxins. I

know this is a post to a forum but references for more information

follow post. At the end article discusses different absorbencies of

charcoal on the market, re: super activated, etc.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5571

--- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@y...>

wrote:

This found the following link regarding charcoal that might be

interesing to some.

My doctor has recommended I take 4 capsules of activated charcoal at

night and he is very good MD who practices traditional medicine as

well as holistic health. I research everything he recommends before

taking it and have never found anything to be controversial.

[Guest guest]

Barb --

I'm sure that everyone here will be interested in hearing your results

with charcoal after a year or two of experimentation.

Best of luck, I hope this works for you. It didn't for me.

> >

> > Group --

> >

> > It sounds to me like the basic criteria for this study was not

> > relevant to what the intent of use of Cholestyramine (CSM) is for

> > biotoxin patients.

[Guest guest]

> Group --

>

> It sounds to me like the basic criteria for this study was not

> relevant to what the intent of use of Cholestyramine (CSM) is for

> biotoxin patients.

> Lee

Dr Shoemaker is using exploiting the specific positive charge of CSM

to attract and bind the negatively charged ionophore toxins.

Charcoal lacks this characteristic and any removal of toxins would

occur more by chance than design.

The problem with the " conceptual grasp " that conventional doctors

have with mycotoxin illness is the " dose-response " perspective and

the belief that these toxins can be effectively metabolized.

Dr Shoemakers experience with Pfiesteria toxins gave him an

entirely different knowledge base of the immunological reprogramming

by the receptor binding properties of ionophore molecules and the

well known characteristic that these types of toxins are not

eliminated from the tissues by normal detoxifying processes.

Until the mechanisms for these toxic effects are learned, the

attempts by doctors to understand mycotoxin illness by using an

inapplicable perspective/reference is doomed to miserable confused

failure.

Unfortunately, doctors don't like to be told that they lack the

fundamental training necessary to make an educated assessment

regarding therapy directed at an unfamiliar illness process.

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[Guest guest]

Fletch,

I didn't decide to buy it but thought I'd look at price, etc but

cannot find where to buy at all! I've spent two hours searching the

internet. I found lots of places that 'discussed' it as a powder to

mix in water but not one place to buy the stuff. Well, I did find

one, actually two, but neither one of them was Super-Char or the

others and didn't say anything about potency or other details I was

interested in. None of them said specially processed to have

greater absorbency. I have lots of capsules though but quantity

they are talking about you'd have to empty alot of capsules out.

I found a Super-Char by Vortex for filter, one with diatamous earth

in it and one plain but to be put into a filter for an aquarium I

think, not sure of that.

Other charcoals listed as made to be more absorbent are all

prescription only.

Quite a few article states 'every medicine cabinet should have

activated charcoal powder on hand'/capsules work too slow and would

take too many capsules, etc. However, how can one do that if is is

all prescription? Doctors are so uncooperative about writing a

prescription for something that wasn't their idea, otherwise they

write too many.

--- In , " fletch_82000 " <fletch_8@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Group,

> The U.S.P. (United States Pharmacopoeia) standard for Activated

> Charcoal specifies an internal surface area of 1000 m2/g (square

> meters per gram). Recently, several companies have begun

[Guest guest]

PS If nothing else I think it might be good to take for other toxins

in my system. I doubt if mycotoxins are the only thing littering my

body right now.

Fletch,

I didn't decide to buy it but thought I'd look at price, etc but

cannot find where to buy at all! I've spent two hours searching the

internet. I found lots of places that 'discussed' it as a powder to

mix in water but not one place to buy the stuff. Well, I did find

one, actually two, but neither one of them was Super-

[Guest guest]

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Apparently amounts they are talking about are very large. I

translated mg into grams meant taking 60+ tablets at once. I guess

that is why they are recommending a slurry rather than take huge

numbers of tablets. Anyway, so if it is that much charcoal you

would need a prescription and Dr Shoe has done the research on CSM

and not charcoal or didn't find charcoal did as good, it would seem

CSM would be the right stuff. I was thinking it was something I

could pick up over the counter but I'm not going to take 60+

capsules several times a day!!

--- In , " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...>

wrote:

> Barb --

>

> I'm sure that everyone here will be interested in hearing your

results

> with charcoal after a year or two of experimentation.

>

> Best of luck, I hope this works for you. It didn't for me.

>

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