Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Hey, EEF is an organization that was the subject of discussion on the IEQuality board a few months back. Some over on that board were questioning exactly what this organization was and what they did. If I remember correctly, it was because Emma of EEFF was putting out press releases that were more like promos for this business rather than the subject matter that the release was supposed to be about. (Burying the lead). I know alot of people were asking questions, myself included, but I don't believe anyone ever got any answers from EEF. They sound reputable, and I have no reason to believe they are not, but... does anybody on this board know anything more about them? It was just really weird. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Sharon, Indoor Environment Connections wrote an investigative article about EEF in the May edition. For anyone interested, contact Steve Sauer, Editor, at IECnews@.... Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > Hey, > > EEF is an organization that was the subject of discussion on the > IEQuality board a few months back. Some over on that board were > questioning exactly what this organization was and what they did. If > I remember correctly, it was because Emma of EEFF was putting out > press releases that were more like promos for this business rather > than the subject matter that the release was supposed to be about. > (Burying the lead). I know alot of people were asking questions, > myself included, but I don't believe anyone ever got any answers from > EEF. They sound reputable, and I have no reason to believe they are > not, but... does anybody on this board know anything more about them? > It was just really weird. > > Sharon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Sharon, I agree with your concerns. When this was brought up on the other board. There seemed to be some questions left unanswered which really got my interest. Who and what is the EEF all about and where do they stand on this issue? By the information below I really don't see to where they are addressing our best interest and that is medical acknowledgement and the severity of many of the illnesses that many of us suffer from. I am going to insert some of my personal thoughts and concerns regarding the EEF to where it may raise more questions in everyone elses mind and possibly get some answers. The Environmental Education Foundation (EEF) and the U.S. > Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have teamed up to form a > consensus on incorporating EPA's indoor air quality guidance > information into EEF's mold & IAG management plan, training and > membership. ...... I am not exactly sure what is taking place here, because there aren't too many that aware of the EEF and how long they have been in existance. The article says 20 years and their website says: http://www.enviro-ed.org/Pages/About.html Formed in 1992 as a Minnesota non-profit corporation, EEF has, since its formation, been engaged in the above mentioned mission statement. ...... They also mention of IAQ guidance information, mold and IAG (?) management plan, training and membership. I thought this was what the IAQ, IAQA, IESO and a couple others where all about? What am I missing? As part of this effort, EEF has created a coalition of major players > in the construction, building design and property management > industries to create a best practices in indoor air management. > Representative from agencies such as the Building Owners & Managers > Association, Environmental Hazards Management Institute and HUD > served on the coalition. ...... Aren't these the industries that caused the problems in the first place? Now we are going to make them out to be the " good guys " , by doing the right thing that they should have done years ago. Yes, things are changing, better products are coming out as we speak, BUT where is the accountablility? I don't see where our best interests (victims) the ones that have been exposed and that are suffering right now, to where they are being addressed. When is this going to start happening? If we had been addressed sooner or the overall issue, I'm sure there wouldn't be as much liability concerns as there are today. Nor would there be as many sick people. By creating air quality guidance that property and facility managers > can follow, lenders and insurers can decrease their risk and > exposure to personal injury or mold-related litigation, which has > plagued the industry. ...... Oh boy, everybody cover their ass. Who is going to cover ours? Why isn't the industry more concerned by those that have been affected? Poor construction, insurance companies manipulating coverage, (or should I say out and out lying?) Plague the industry?? Plague is right! The health of the population is what should be addressed. " It's an operation and maintenance plan for commercial builders to > limit their liability of indoor quality issues, " said Troy , > EEF's executive director. " Lenders and insurers now have a plan in > place that property and facility managers would have to go through > for approval. " ...... Good plan for the future, how about NOW? This is another non- profit (for profit) organization? Someone else to stick it to the little guy and protect big industry. Yeah, I can see where this is going. Why don't you just ask us all to bend over. At least that would be quicker. Everything is to protect big industry, what is out there to protect the consumer? Don't they realize they themselves are not immune from this type of disaster? Many are considered as " nuts " . Does that mean everyone that are in public buildings and private home with a much higher degree of education, such as the lives that have been destroyed in county and federal courthouses, police stations, fire stations, physicians offices, governor's mansion And YES EVEN THE WHITE HOUSE, are also all labeled as mere " crazies " . Hmmmmmm I've got to think about this one. It's funny (not) how these non-profit organizations have donations from big business, but the non-profits that are trying to be set up to help the victims can't get off the ground because they can't get funding. How sad is that. It just goes to show you where the real truth lies. Or so they think. If this was really to help, as in Jerry McQuire,' " SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!' KC > > > > > > > > > Hey, > > EEF is an organization that was the subject of discussion on the IEQuality > board a few months back. Some over on that board were questioning exactly > what this organization was and what they did. If I remember correctly, it was > because Emma of EEFF was putting out press releases that were more like promos > for this business rather than the subject matter that the release was > supposed to be about. (Burying the lead). I know alot of people were asking > questions, myself included, but I don't believe anyone ever got any answers from > EEF. They sound reputable, and I have no reason to believe they are not, > but... does anybody on this board know anything more about them? It was just > really weird. > > Sharon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 > ..... Aren't these the industries that caused the problems in the > first place? Now we are going to make them out to be the " good > guys " , by doing the right thing that they should have done years > ago. As a person who watched " CFS " grow from " a few dozen hysterical complainers " into a worldwide phenomenon while doctors fought patients and dealt with the epidemic by putting up an insurmountable " white wall " of denialism and denigration, I always wondered what it would be like when the objections and intransigence of doctors were finally be swept away in an avalanche of reality. Would these doctors feel any remorse? Will they ask themselves how it was possible that they could have been so wrong? What will they have to say for themselves? Now that CFS has reached a point in which asserting that " CFS doesn't exist " is an admission of extreme ignorance and stupidity, I am seeing how these stalwart denialist doctors strive to reposition themselves as " good guys " after all their years of denial and abuse. They say " I was only being scientific and the evidence had not yet been established " and amazingly enough, they are getting away with this nonsense. Not one twinge of regret for decades of telling seriously ill and suffering patients that their complaints are " All In Your Heads " . When I attempted to point out the injustice, I am told that I am spiteful and vindictive and an evil person. Not only that, but as for my assertion that the doctors had been ignoring solid evidence the entire time they were mistreating patients, the response was " If the doctors didn't reach the conclusion that CFS was real based upon that evidence, then OBVIOUSLY the evidence was not compelling enough, so you have no one to blame but yourself " . There it is, folks. You were treated like crap the whole time that the doctors were wrong. And now that it turns out you were right, it's still all your fault if you weren't pursuasive enough to get the doctors to believe you. And if you dare to say how you showed doctors incontrovertible evidence that nobody but an idiot could fail to recognize, why, then!, you are spiteful, vindictive, arrogant, bent on revenge, and a thoroughly evil person. So I just thought I'd give you a " heads up " on what to expect when the very people who fought you all the way suddenly turn into " mold experts " and " good guys " . You still get to be wrong, and considered a troublemaker if you dare to speak your outrage that the perpetrators of all this injustice can so easily slither out of the the slightest bit of culpability for their misdeeds. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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