Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 fungal infections, along with organic solvents used in modern foods, pave the way for secondary infestations, by creating a chink in the armor. Spore producing yeast could cause such a problem. Luckily, Kombucha's yeast is budding yeast, and will compete with bad yeast with favorable results. All yeast, (or fungus) not being equal, as it were.... Beau Barrett wrote: >Actually, yeast IS a type of fungus, but what does fungus have to do >with parasites anyway? >Beau > > >On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:58:28 -0800, L.Win <lwinmorgan@...> wrote: > > >>>An alternative health practicioner recently told me I had a " slight " >>>problem with parasites and that Kombucha, as it was a fungus, would make >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>worse. This doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone know for sure? >>> >>> >>- >>Peggy: >>The presupposition that KT is a fungus is wrong so the conclusion is >>meaningless. >> >>Kombucha is a symbionic colony of BACTERIA and YEAST [s C O B Y]. >>There is no Fungus in it. >>A good naturopath should know that. >>KT is good to use. >> >>rusty >> >> parasites >> >> >> >>>An alternative health practicioner recently told me I had a " slight " >>>problem with parasites and that Kombucha, as it was a fungus, would make >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>worse. This doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone know for sure? >>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 <trevyn@...> wrote> <fungal infections, along with organic solvents used in modern foods, pave the way for secondary infestations, by creating a chink in the armor. Spore producing yeast could cause such a problem. Luckily, Kombucha's yeast is budding yeast, and will compete with bad yeast with favorable results. All yeast, (or fungus) not being equal, as it were....> One of the several types of yeast in Kombucha is Schizosaccharomyces pombe, a fission yeast that can produce spores! ***************************** we've all been betrayed because it's business not people it's always take and never give that's not the way i want to live ***************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 <trevyn@...> wrote> <fungal infections, along with organic solvents used in modern foods, pave the way for secondary infestations, by creating a chink in the armor. Spore producing yeast could cause such a problem. Luckily, Kombucha's yeast is budding yeast, and will compete with bad yeast with favorable results. All yeast, (or fungus) not being equal, as it were....> One of the several types of yeast in Kombucha is Schizosaccharomyces pombe, a fission yeast that can produce spores! ***************************** we've all been betrayed because it's business not people it's always take and never give that's not the way i want to live ***************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 as happens quite often btw, oh the vanity a graduationcertificate can cause for ... Trevyn wrote: > Kombucha is not a fungus. It is a symbiotic mat of bacteria and budding > (not spore producing) yeast. Your health practitioner is quite mistaken > on multiple counts. > > Peggy Shields wrote: > > >An alternative health practicioner recently told me I had a " slight " > >problem with parasites and that Kombucha, as it was a fungus, would > make it > >worse. This doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone know for sure? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 In message <003a01c53620$d9b924d0$8587a7d8@peggys> you wrote: > An alternative health practicioner recently told me I had a " slight " > problem with parasites and that Kombucha, as it was a fungus, would make it > worse. This doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone know for sure? Most of the Kombucha sites I looked at mention specifically that drinking Kombucha is an anti-bad bacteria, bad yeasts, and also anti parasitic...like the site below mentions. Kombucha assists the body in a positive way to overcome negative intruders of any kind, especially in the gut. Kefir, like all probiotics have a similar effect. http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_ & _tcm1.htm I would say quite definitely that your practitioner is wrong and hasn't looked into Kombucha properly. As you yourself say, 'it doesn't make sense to you'. No wonder, 'cause there ain't any sense in it! ;-) Drown your baddies in plenty of Kombucha and water and don't worry about them parasites. Worry is worse for you than parasites. I'm sure! Have a bit of fun today and drink your Kombucha! Margret:-) -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Minstrel@... www.therpc.f9.co.uk +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Conclusion: the place where you ran out of ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 >An alternative health practicioner recently told me I had a " slight " >problem with parasites and that Kombucha, as it was a fungus, would make it >worse. This doesn't make sense to me. Does anyone know for sure? > > > Kombucha is not a fungus. It's a symbiotic multicellular organism, someone with better expertise could phrase it more exactly. One thing it is not is a fungus. I wish ignorant people would stop calling it a mushroom, it only gives the wrong idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Fredrik We had these nasty little critters too. What worked for us was Biobotanicals Biocidin (we used regualr but I think only the advanced is available now) working up slowly to 6 drops per day given 2drops x 3 doses and maintaining that for 3 months. We did do a 10 day round of Flagyl to start with as thats all the medics could offer us. It reduced the numbers but is too short a course to zap it completely I have heard of others having success with Black Walnut Oil for two months followed by 2 months of Wormwood oil. Hopefully others will have suggestions. Mandi in UK It looks quite good except for lots of Blastocytis hominis (some sort of parasite)This bug may explain his loose,bad smelling stools. He has often stomach pains and lots of gas.anyone knows how to treat this ? The lab was not so sure Flagyl would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 In a message dated 06/09/2005 21:23:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes: Would therebe a die off reaction with parasites? >>>Ohhhhhhh yes Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 In a message dated 06/09/2005 21:36:03 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes: What do parasites feed on? >>>Your insides and what you eat I think. I have several vidoe's saced of a great series they did on parasites and I still haven;t watched it. When is the next full moon? Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Hi Jane, any rashes on his bum yet > Jo Parasites Hi,We are in the process of treating parasites using an anti parasiticmedication. 's behaviour is a little eratic at the moment. Hibm's are very loose. (six days into a ten day course). Would therebe a die off reaction with parasites? The meds contain saccarin sonot sure if his behaviour is a reaction to that. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 He has had a spotty bum - but that has faded (think that was due to the nystatin that he is also taking at the moment). Parasites Hi,We are in the process of treating parasites using an anti parasiticmedication. 's behaviour is a little eratic at the moment. Hibm's are very loose. (six days into a ten day course). Would therebe a die off reaction with parasites? The meds contain saccarin sonot sure if his behaviour is a reaction to that. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 What do parasites feed on? Re: Parasites In a message dated 06/09/2005 21:23:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes: Would therebe a die off reaction with parasites? >>>Ohhhhhhh yes Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Next full moon September 18th. We follow it closely to ensure Parasites haven't returned! Kay. When is the next full moon? Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Perhaps I should have tackled them around that time! Re: Parasites Next full moon September 18th. We follow it closely to ensure Parasites haven't returned! Kay. When is the next full moon? Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... I agree. Have you thought of the other common suspects eg soya, sugar? What's the balance of his diet like? eg lots of carbs? high/low protein? How much in the way of processed substitute food eg gf biscuits, bread, cereal, pasta, and is he a keen eater of unprocessed food eg meat,fish,fruit,veg? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Oh jeez, I hate rocking the boat! OK, softly softly, what would you consider doing? Not taking him off GFCF? In every other way he improved a lot on it. There were no other nasties detected except clostridia, and we are giving him culturelle for that. I cld try removing all carbs for a few days, to see if he wld benefit from SCD, or I could remove all fruit for a few days, to see if that is responsible? Steph xo Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 They get no soya or artificials or corn. They get a lot of unprocessed meat, and rice, and quinoa, and low/no phenol fruit/veg. They get maple syrup in their rice porridge and fruit sugar in the form of pears and apples. Breakfast is just rice poridge with maple syrup and calcium powder, and all the supplements. Lunch and tea are equal parts meat, veg and starch, usu rice or quinoa or maybe lentils. snacks include cashews, fresh/dried fruit, rice cakes with nut butter. They drink water or very diluted pear juice. Steph Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... I agree. Have you thought of the other common suspects eg soya, sugar? What's the balance of his diet like? eg lots of carbs? high/low protein? How much in the way of processed substitute food eg gf biscuits, bread, cereal, pasta, and is he a keen eater of unprocessed food eg meat,fish,fruit,veg? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Steph I had a similar prolem with . GFCF did seem to help but bowels actually got worse, however I did introduce a lot of supplements around the same time as GFCF. For the last couple of months I have stopped the supplements and indeed after a couple of weeks his stools improved to the point that potty training is possible. I have tried to gradually reintroduce some supplements but each time the bowels get worse, even with multiivit drops. Homeopath suggested giving bowels some time off to "mature". We are seeing Dr Heard - for the first time - later this month to discuss way forward. Have you considered that some of the supplements are aggravating the bowel/candida/clostridia? HTH <stephanie.scott@...> wrote: Oh jeez, I hate rocking the boat! OK, softly softly, what would you consider doing? Not taking him off GFCF? In every other way he improved a lot on it. There were no other nasties detected except clostridia, and we are giving him culturelle for that. I cld try removing all carbs for a few days, to see if he wld benefit from SCD, or I could remove all fruit for a few days, to see if that is responsible? Steph xo Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... Mandi x__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 are u not off those pears yet steph ! Jo Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... I agree. Have you thought of the other common suspects eg soya, sugar? What's the balance of his diet like? eg lots of carbs? high/low protein? How much in the way of processed substitute food eg gf biscuits, bread, cereal, pasta, and is he a keen eater of unprocessed food eg meat,fish,fruit,veg? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Steph, Gosh, I'm impressed by all you're doing. I don't have any real ideas as to what the stool problems might be, but perhaps someone else in the group has? The only thing I could suggest is cutting out all starches and sugars for a few days, including fruit, if that's not impossible. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious but you are giving mega amounts of probiotics aswell as the culturelle etc? GFCF didn't help J's stools one jot either (though she was having bad stools before GFCF too and it didn't really improve anything much for her). Her stools improved slightly with Houston enzymes (went from water to mush). Best improvement came when we treated with a course of Sporanox followed by loads of probiotics - first formed stool. Colour got better when we reintroduce wheat. HTH Jacqui > Oh jeez, I hate rocking the boat! OK, softly softly, what would you consider doing? Not taking him off GFCF? In every other way he improved a lot on it. There were no other nasties detected except clostridia, and we are giving him culturelle for that. I cld try removing all carbs for a few days, to see if he wld benefit from SCD, or I could remove all fruit for a few days, to see if that is responsible? > > Steph > > xo > Re: Parasites > > > In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@t... writes: > Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. > > >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... > > Mandi x > > > DISCLAIMER > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 oh jo i knew you'd nail me there yes i know - first thing to try eh? i just get fatigue from always cutting down on what they can eat - I even took potatoes away about 8 months ago. see u tonight Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... I agree. Have you thought of the other common suspects eg soya, sugar? What's the balance of his diet like? eg lots of carbs? high/low protein? How much in the way of processed substitute food eg gf biscuits, bread, cereal, pasta, and is he a keen eater of unprocessed food eg meat,fish,fruit,veg? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 that's interesting - maybe I will up the dose of probiotics. funny thing is, the children tested as having a healthy level of friendly bacteria in their bowels already. I didn't however! Steph xo Re: Parasites> > > In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@t... writes:> Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. > > >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime...........> > Mandi x> > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I seem to remember Andy Cutler saying (I think in his first book) whatever the stated dosage is for the probios to multiply it by at least ten. Even if you half this for kids, it's still five times more than what it says on the bottle. Pear juice is also mildly laxative - might not make any difference if you're only using a bit though... Jacqui > > Oh jeez, I hate rocking the boat! OK, softly softly, what would > you consider doing? Not taking him off GFCF? In every other way he > improved a lot on it. There were no other nasties detected except > clostridia, and we are giving him culturelle for that. I cld try > removing all carbs for a few days, to see if he wld benefit from > SCD, or I could remove all fruit for a few days, to see if that is > responsible? > > > > Steph > > > > xo > > Re: Parasites > > > > > > In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, > stephanie.scott@t... writes: > > Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a > month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are > mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has > been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting > better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went > all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months > ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. > > > > >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs > regime........... > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > DISCLAIMER > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a > suitably qualified practitioner. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 from what I know steph - rash on bum is die off and good thing. We have darryl on Custom Probiotics could only manage 1/2 a capsule twice a day. initially started with a few sprinkes..we had bad behaviour / rash on bum....but after about a week .....poos excellent, rash fading...speech has made massive gains.. We found L glutamine really good from Higher Nature. Soothes gut..and promotes repair.. See u jo Re: Parasites In a message dated 07/09/2005 10:45:12 GMT Daylight Time, stephanie.scott@... writes: Teddy has been on nystatin and culturelle and glutamine for a month now. She has a big rash all over her bum and her poos are mostly liquid. Alasdair's poos are loose and fluffy, and he has been on his regimen for about 5 months. Why are we not getting better stools? They have actually got worse with biomed. They went all pale and soft the moment we put him on the GFCF diet 16 months ago. Before they used to be large, brown and mostly formed. >>>>I think its time to consider a change to Alasdairs regime........... I agree. Have you thought of the other common suspects eg soya, sugar? What's the balance of his diet like? eg lots of carbs? high/low protein? How much in the way of processed substitute food eg gf biscuits, bread, cereal, pasta, and is he a keen eater of unprocessed food eg meat,fish,fruit,veg? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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