Re: What I've done for hypercoagulation.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sherlock.

Did you try Nattokinase because that is what I am planning to try.

What do you mean by rebound effect ?

is Seroyal Fluid-gen am enzyme ?

Thanks

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:54 PM, sy.sherlock@... <sy.sherlock@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

> Just wanted to share with you some of my experience with trying things for

> my hypercoagulation.

>

> None of the enzyme products helped me (though it's true I haven't tried

> every single one out there).

> Seroyal Fluid-gen proved very helpful.

> Sublingual heparin helped for a couple months, then made it much worse.

> Low dose aspirin worked for a little while then made it worse too.

> So don't let anyone talk you into trying the last two. I didn't realize it

> when I tried it but they are known to have a rebound effect.

>

> You need to find the cause of the hypercoagulation. Most likely some kind

> of infection. For me, it is Lyme disease, HHV-6, possibly others as well.

> Have to address the cause not just the symptom.

>

>

> > > > Hello to all,

> > > >

> > > > Just joined this group.

> > > >

> > > > I am 40 years old male in India and since this year have been having

> > > most of

> > > > the symptoms of fibromyalgia and cfs. All tests come normal and

> doctors

> > > > think I am some crazy person, which is extremely frustrating.

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading some posts on hyper coagulation and I feel I may

> be

> > > > having this problem as my fingers feel swollen and if i press them a

> bit

> > > the

> > > > blood seems to be moving slower than it used to. Last week my finger

> > > > suddenly developed a cut and started to bleed even though I dont

> remember

> > > > having had any injury ( only reason I could come up with is the cold

> > > weather

> > > > ) Also, if I lie down for a while with head pressed - the side its

> > > pressed

> > > > feels all cold. So I am guessing its some circulation problem. Also

> I get

> > > > these poky, wiry feeling in my fingers and weird sensations in my

> scalp

> > > like

> > > > crawly, wiry, scratch, " pull " , etc.

> > > >

> > > > Could I please get some advise on what are tests I can do here to

> figure

> > > out

> > > > if I indeed have hypercoagulation. Somehow I intuitively feel I do

> but

> > > > dont know what to do. My ESR rate is 8, in case that helps.

> > > >

> > > > Can I just start taking Nattokinase and see how I feel with it ?

> Where

> > > can

> > > > I order it from ?

> > > >

> > > > God Bless us all.

> > > >

> > > > With love,

> > > > Deepak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > >

> > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> > > each

> > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment

> > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

You're welcome.

Yes, I tried Nattokinase. Of course, everyone is different, so it may help you,

who knows.

Rebound effect is that it makes the blood thicker after a while, rather than

thinner, which is what you are taking it for.

http://www.health-essentials.info/science/health-issues/aspirin-rebound.html :

" These findings are supported by studies done by Dr. Grotemeyer (Fortschr Neurol

Psychiatr 85;53(9):350-3) (Thorm Res 91;63(6):587-93). He found that, in a

group of 180 stroke patients who were given aspirin to prevent a recurrence of

strokes, heart attacks or cardiovascular-related deaths, all seemed to respond

well initially. However, in 33 percent of these patients, blood clotting

activity was actually increased to above-normal rates after 12 hours. The

aspirin actually caused a rebound effect, creating a situation that was worse

than before the aspirin was taken. "

http://townsendletter.com/Nov_2002/detoxxsystem1102.htm :

" It has been suggested that the use of heparin will address hypercoagulation.

Recent data from JAMA (son 2001) indicates that the use of low dose

heparin may transform a `benign fungal infection into a toxic shock-like

reaction.' This research was presented at the 39th annual meeting of the

Infectious Diseases Society of America in 2001 by Margaret K. Hostetter, M.D. of

Yale University School of Medicine (Hostetter 2001 and San-Blas et al. 2000).

Hostetter and colleagues found that Candida albicans can attach to host cells

and form invasive hyphae. Low dose heparin utilized in procedures for

hospitalized patients through the practice of heparin in intravascular catheters

may transform C. albicans into a life-threatening pathogen. Hostetter was able

to identify a gene, INT1, encoding a C. albicans surface protein, Intlp, which

was linked with adhesion, the ability to grow filaments and ultimately virulence

of C. albicans of a systemic nature. The use of heparin raises the cytokines TNF

alpha and IL-6 (son 2001) in addition to Phospholipase A2 (Mudher et al.

1999; Kern et al. 2000; Farooqui 1999; Verity et al. 1994). Biotoxins which form

neurotoxins, may create a state of hypercoagulation from the rise in TNF alpha.

Consequently, the use of heparin may exacerbate the hypercoagulation and the

neurotoxic condition. The source of the problem – biotoxins, which have formed

neurotoxins creating a state of hypercoagulation – must be addressed from the

context of the underlying neurotoxic condition and healing the cell membrane. "

Seroyal Fluid-gen is not an enzyme, but a combmination of plant stem cells, I

believe.

http://w.professionallinesdirect.net/SeroyalGenestraFluidGen.htm :

" Fluid-Gen is a powerful anti-coagulant that restores the fluidity of blood

throughout the entire circulatory system. This synergistic combination reduces

the hypercoagulability and hyperlipidaemic conditions via antithrombotic actions

and prevention of future platelet aggregation. The emulsification ability of

this remedy lowers triglycerides and reduces excess vascular lipids through

vascular sclerotic inhibition. Fluid-gen aids in improving the microcirculation

of the retinal and arterial systems and protects the noble organs from vascular

damage.

Ingredients:

Each 10 drops contain:

Olive (Olea europaea) Shoot Extact (1:20)...8.3mg

Almond (Prunus dulcis) Bud Extract (1:20)...8.3mg

Judas-tree (Cercis siliquastrum) Bud Extract (1:20)...8.3mg "

> > > > > Hello to all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Just joined this group.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 40 years old male in India and since this year have been having

> > > > most of

> > > > > the symptoms of fibromyalgia and cfs. All tests come normal and

> > doctors

> > > > > think I am some crazy person, which is extremely frustrating.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been reading some posts on hyper coagulation and I feel I may

> > be

> > > > > having this problem as my fingers feel swollen and if i press them a

> > bit

> > > > the

> > > > > blood seems to be moving slower than it used to. Last week my finger

> > > > > suddenly developed a cut and started to bleed even though I dont

> > remember

> > > > > having had any injury ( only reason I could come up with is the cold

> > > > weather

> > > > > ) Also, if I lie down for a while with head pressed - the side its

> > > > pressed

> > > > > feels all cold. So I am guessing its some circulation problem. Also

> > I get

> > > > > these poky, wiry feeling in my fingers and weird sensations in my

> > scalp

> > > > like

> > > > > crawly, wiry, scratch, " pull " , etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could I please get some advise on what are tests I can do here to

> > figure

> > > > out

> > > > > if I indeed have hypercoagulation. Somehow I intuitively feel I do

> > but

> > > > > dont know what to do. My ESR rate is 8, in case that helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can I just start taking Nattokinase and see how I feel with it ?

> > Where

> > > > can

> > > > > I order it from ?

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless us all.

> > > > >

> > > > > With love,

> > > > > Deepak

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> > > > each

> > > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > treatment

> > > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

It would be interesting to hear what Berg has to say about this.

he's the go to guy on hypercoag.

> > > > > > Hello to all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am 40 years old male in India and since this year have been having

> > > > > most of

> > > > > > the symptoms of fibromyalgia and cfs. All tests come normal and

> > > doctors

> > > > > > think I am some crazy person, which is extremely frustrating.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been reading some posts on hyper coagulation and I feel I may

> > > be

> > > > > > having this problem as my fingers feel swollen and if i press them a

> > > bit

> > > > > the

> > > > > > blood seems to be moving slower than it used to. Last week my finger

> > > > > > suddenly developed a cut and started to bleed even though I dont

> > > remember

> > > > > > having had any injury ( only reason I could come up with is the cold

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > ) Also, if I lie down for a while with head pressed - the side its

> > > > > pressed

> > > > > > feels all cold. So I am guessing its some circulation problem. Also

> > > I get

> > > > > > these poky, wiry feeling in my fingers and weird sensations in my

> > > scalp

> > > > > like

> > > > > > crawly, wiry, scratch, " pull " , etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could I please get some advise on what are tests I can do here to

> > > figure

> > > > > out

> > > > > > if I indeed have hypercoagulation. Somehow I intuitively feel I do

> > > but

> > > > > > dont know what to do. My ESR rate is 8, in case that helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can I just start taking Nattokinase and see how I feel with it ?

> > > Where

> > > > > can

> > > > > > I order it from ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God Bless us all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With love,

> > > > > > Deepak

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with

> > > > > each

> > > > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > > treatment

> > > > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Sherlock.

Had you got a coagulation profile done to test for aspirins rebound effect

like you say ? Had your clotting time increased ?

It is rather interesting as most of the world uses baby aspirins to prevent

heart problems.

Love,

Deepak

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:45 PM, sy.sherlock@... <sy.sherlock@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

>

>

> You're welcome.

>

> Yes, I tried Nattokinase. Of course, everyone is different, so it may help

> you, who knows.

>

> Rebound effect is that it makes the blood thicker after a while, rather

> than thinner, which is what you are taking it for.

>

>

> http://www.health-essentials.info/science/health-issues/aspirin-rebound.html:

>

> " These findings are supported by studies done by Dr. Grotemeyer (Fortschr

> Neurol Psychiatr 85;53(9):350-3) (Thorm Res 91;63(6):587-93). He found

> that, in a group of 180 stroke patients who were given aspirin to prevent a

> recurrence of strokes, heart attacks or cardiovascular-related deaths, all

> seemed to respond well initially. However, in 33 percent of these patients,

> blood clotting activity was actually increased to above-normal rates after

> 12 hours. The aspirin actually caused a rebound effect, creating a

> situation that was worse than before the aspirin was taken. "

>

> http://townsendletter.com/Nov_2002/detoxxsystem1102.htm :

>

> " It has been suggested that the use of heparin will address

> hypercoagulation. Recent data from JAMA (son 2001) indicates that

> the use of low dose heparin may transform a `benign fungal infection into a

> toxic shock-like reaction.' This research was presented at the 39th annual

> meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America in 2001 by Margaret

> K. Hostetter, M.D. of Yale University School of Medicine (Hostetter 2001

> and San-Blas et al. 2000). Hostetter and colleagues found that Candida

> albicans can attach to host cells and form invasive hyphae. Low dose

> heparin utilized in procedures for hospitalized patients through the

> practice of heparin in intravascular catheters may transform C. albicans

> into a life-threatening pathogen. Hostetter was able to identify a gene,

> INT1, encoding a C. albicans surface protein, Intlp, which was linked with

> adhesion, the ability to grow filaments and ultimately virulence of C.

> albicans of a systemic nature. The use of heparin raises the cytokines TNF

> alpha and IL-6 (son 2001) in addition to Phospholipase A2 (Mudher et

> al. 1999; Kern et al. 2000; Farooqui 1999; Verity et al. 1994). Biotoxins

> which form neurotoxins, may create a state of hypercoagulation from the

> rise in TNF alpha. Consequently, the use of heparin may exacerbate the

> hypercoagulation and the neurotoxic condition. The source of the problem –

> biotoxins, which have formed neurotoxins creating a state of

> hypercoagulation – must be addressed from the context of the underlying

> neurotoxic condition and healing the cell membrane. "

>

> Seroyal Fluid-gen is not an enzyme, but a combmination of plant stem

> cells, I believe.

>

> http://w.professionallinesdirect.net/SeroyalGenestraFluidGen.htm :

>

> " Fluid-Gen is a powerful anti-coagulant that restores the fluidity of

> blood throughout the entire circulatory system. This synergistic

> combination reduces the hypercoagulability and hyperlipidaemic conditions

> via antithrombotic actions and prevention of future platelet aggregation.

> The emulsification ability of this remedy lowers triglycerides and reduces

> excess vascular lipids through vascular sclerotic inhibition. Fluid-gen

> aids in improving the microcirculation of the retinal and arterial systems

> and protects the noble organs from vascular damage.

>

> Ingredients:

> Each 10 drops contain:

> Olive (Olea europaea) Shoot Extact (1:20)...8.3mg

> Almond (Prunus dulcis) Bud Extract (1:20)...8.3mg

> Judas-tree (Cercis siliquastrum) Bud Extract (1:20)...8.3mg "

>

>

>

> > > > > > Hello to all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just joined this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am 40 years old male in India and since this year have been

> having

> > > > > most of

> > > > > > the symptoms of fibromyalgia and cfs. All tests come normal and

> > > doctors

> > > > > > think I am some crazy person, which is extremely frustrating.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been reading some posts on hyper coagulation and I feel I

> may

> > > be

> > > > > > having this problem as my fingers feel swollen and if i press

> them a

> > > bit

> > > > > the

> > > > > > blood seems to be moving slower than it used to. Last week my

> finger

> > > > > > suddenly developed a cut and started to bleed even though I dont

> > > remember

> > > > > > having had any injury ( only reason I could come up with is the

> cold

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > ) Also, if I lie down for a while with head pressed - the side

> its

> > > > > pressed

> > > > > > feels all cold. So I am guessing its some circulation problem.

> Also

> > > I get

> > > > > > these poky, wiry feeling in my fingers and weird sensations in my

> > > scalp

> > > > > like

> > > > > > crawly, wiry, scratch, " pull " , etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could I please get some advise on what are tests I can do here to

> > > figure

> > > > > out

> > > > > > if I indeed have hypercoagulation. Somehow I intuitively feel I

> do

> > > but

> > > > > > dont know what to do. My ESR rate is 8, in case that helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can I just start taking Nattokinase and see how I feel with it ?

> > > Where

> > > > > can

> > > > > > I order it from ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God Bless us all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With love,

> > > > > > Deepak

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with

> > > > > each

> > > > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > > treatment

> > > > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

No, I did not have follow up tests. I judged by symptoms.

The details of the study on aspirin are not always looked at, even by doctors.

> > > > > > > Hello to all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just joined this group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am 40 years old male in India and since this year have been

> > having

> > > > > > most of

> > > > > > > the symptoms of fibromyalgia and cfs. All tests come normal and

> > > > doctors

> > > > > > > think I am some crazy person, which is extremely frustrating.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been reading some posts on hyper coagulation and I feel I

> > may

> > > > be

> > > > > > > having this problem as my fingers feel swollen and if i press

> > them a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > blood seems to be moving slower than it used to. Last week my

> > finger

> > > > > > > suddenly developed a cut and started to bleed even though I dont

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > having had any injury ( only reason I could come up with is the

> > cold

> > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > ) Also, if I lie down for a while with head pressed - the side

> > its

> > > > > > pressed

> > > > > > > feels all cold. So I am guessing its some circulation problem.

> > Also

> > > > I get

> > > > > > > these poky, wiry feeling in my fingers and weird sensations in my

> > > > scalp

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > crawly, wiry, scratch, " pull " , etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could I please get some advise on what are tests I can do here to

> > > > figure

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > if I indeed have hypercoagulation. Somehow I intuitively feel I

> > do

> > > > but

> > > > > > > dont know what to do. My ESR rate is 8, in case that helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can I just start taking Nattokinase and see how I feel with it ?

> > > > Where

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > I order it from ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God Bless us all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With love,

> > > > > > > Deepak

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> > with

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > > > treatment

> > > > > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.