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{Moderator: This group voted to allow discussion of psychological treatments

after much discussion and debate. Unnecessary to go through that disruption yet

again only to switch 180 degrees. There are some people who have triggered over

to ME/CFIDS due to trauma and this forum would be the appropriate place to

discuss experimental treatments.}

I agree. Well said. It's time to take a stance for all who suffer, I'm tired...

and I'm not " psycho " anything. I'm real and I'm suffering.

Change the home page forum! This is serious. Enough is enough, let's do

something...

>

> I think it's important that CFS patients stop defending " psychological "

claims.

>

> The word 'psycho' should not even be acknowledged, even it were to come up in

dialogue.

>

> I believe that it is human nature that once a word is used repetitiously, that

when the other party leaves the conversation, what they remember is the word

that came up the most.

>

> CFS patients just need to IGNORE any such statement, DON'T be defensive, and

simply state what CFS is.

>

> I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that on

the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the description is

something like this:

>

> " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain, immune

system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

>

> Be well.

> www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

>

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Just need to comment on this--

For MYSELF, when I speak -or write- to any outside person and the subject of

life style or My Health happens to come up, I can and do identify myself as

having a debiliitating nasty autoimmune illness and fibromyalgia. (I only

mention both to people as fibro is slightly more known now). I feel now as EVER

that the FACT that I -and here I do NOT include anyone else in this or any OTHER

forum on the subject and cannot imagine I ever would!- happen to also have

depression (major depression?) and PTSD. Facts of MY life; no one else's

necessarily... Don't come to these boards for information nor to discuss

something which to ME is .. well, for want of a better term, sort of more

personal. And, not a physical medical illness now, is it? I do not direct my

small rant here at the moderator of this group really... JUST felt the need to

say something. All of the people who've gone off on having been dismissed as

'not being sick'? Think that those who've gotten upset at that -hell, I have-

began with those who could not get MEDICAL treatment to begin with. THAT is the

key point I think... ALL of the people who sought medical care and were

denied.... (I.e. " ...you're faking/ off our rocker " etc). I do hope that I am

not making a fool of myself here... That my point have some valid points.

You do not want to print it, don't; no offense taken.

Jane, the one with the hound

NYC

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> > I think it's important that CFS patients stop defending " psychological "

claims.

> >

> > The word 'psycho' should not even be acknowledged, even it were to come up

in dialogue.

> >

> > I believe that it is human nature that once a word is used repetitiously,

that when the other party leaves the conversation, what they remember is the

word that came up the most.

> >

> > CFS patients just need to IGNORE any such statement, DON'T be defensive, and

simply state what CFS is.

> >

> > I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that on

the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the description is

something like this:

> >

> > " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain,

immune system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

> >

> > Be well.

> > www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

> >

>

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Please read this article

http://jackkruse.com/hey-lyme-disease-meet-leptin/

" This is what causes these diseases……..BIOTOXINS NOT CRAZY LADIES "

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> > > I think it's important that CFS patients stop defending " psychological "

claims.

> > >

> > > The word 'psycho' should not even be acknowledged, even it were to come up

in dialogue.

> > >

> > > I believe that it is human nature that once a word is used repetitiously,

that when the other party leaves the conversation, what they remember is the

word that came up the most.

> > >

> > > CFS patients just need to IGNORE any such statement, DON'T be defensive,

and simply state what CFS is.

> > >

> > > I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that

on the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the description

is something like this:

> > >

> > > " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain,

immune system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

> > >

> > > Be well.

> > > www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

> > >

> >

>

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Hi--

Am going to read this --always HAVE been suspicious for a LONG dam time!- of

toxins which .. go in our soil, food, air, etc. Now .. I'll also say here THANK

YOU!! 'CRAZY' isn't it! It is a MEDICAL ILLNESS.

I cannot go on longer here -no need- as have to walk the hound now...

Jane, the one with the hound

NYC

> > > >

> > > > I think it's important that CFS patients stop defending " psychological "

claims.

> > > >

> > > > The word 'psycho' should not even be acknowledged, even it were to come

up in dialogue.

> > > >

> > > > I believe that it is human nature that once a word is used

repetitiously, that when the other party leaves the conversation, what they

remember is the word that came up the most.

> > > >

> > > > CFS patients just need to IGNORE any such statement, DON'T be defensive,

and simply state what CFS is.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend

that on the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the

description is something like this:

> > > >

> > > > " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain,

immune system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

> > > >

> > > > Be well.

> > > > www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

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I like your wording of the description of CFS/ME. I think it should

definitely be but on the home page.

Steve M in PA, age 22

Married with 3 year old daughter

Duragesic 300mcg/hr (q48hr)

Methadone 45mg/day

Actiq-600 (4/day)

OxyIR 30mg (6/day)

Grade II DIPG (Diffuse Intrinsic Pontine Glioma)

Comorbid Fibromyalgia & CFIDS

Probable RSD

Normal TSH Hypothyroidism

" Pain makes us make bad decisions. Fear of pain is almost as big a

motivator. " -House MD

On Jan 19, 2012 12:33 AM, " lemonfoundation " <lemonfoundation@...>

wrote:

> I think it's important that CFS patients stop defending " psychological "

> claims.

>

> The word 'psycho' should not even be acknowledged, even it were to come up

> in dialogue.

>

> I believe that it is human nature that once a word is used repetitiously,

> that when the other party leaves the conversation, what they remember is

> the word that came up the most.

>

> CFS patients just need to IGNORE any such statement, DON'T be defensive,

> and simply state what CFS is.

>

> I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that

> on the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the

> description is something like this:

>

> " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain,

> immune system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

> post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

>

> Be well.

> www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Hi There,

I am one of the moderators. I have updated the Home page and made various

changes per your suggestion. I have used the new description based on the

International Consensus Criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis as published in

Journal for Internal Medicine.

I also updated the picture to include a scaled down version of the criteria.

Here is the description and the reason why they have chosen to use solely ME

rather than including CFS, CFIDS, FMS, etc. We will continue to use these terms

on the home page to help people find the forum.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2796.2011.02428.x/full

" Myalgic encephalomyelitis is an acquired neurological disease with complex

global dysfunctions. Pathological dysregulation of the nervous, immune and

endocrine systems, cardiovascular abnormalities, impaired cellular energy

metabolism and ion transport.

In view of more recent research and clinical experience that strongly point to

widespread inflammation and multisystemic neuropathology, it is more appropriate

and correct to use the term `myalgic encephalomyelitis' (ME) because it

indicates an underlying pathophysiology. It is also consistent with the

neurological classification of ME in the World Health Organization's

International Classification of Diseases (ICD G93.3). "

Paraphrased criteria (see Journal article for full description)

International Consensus Criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis

A. Postexertional neuroimmune exhaustion (PENE)

[Compulsory]

1. Marked, rapid physical and/or cognitive fatigability in response to exertion

2. Postexertional symptom exacerbation

3. Postexertional exhaustion -immediate or delayed by hours or days

4. Recovery period is prolonged

5. Low threshold of physical and mental fatigability (lack of stamina)

6. results in a substantial reduction in pre-illness activity level

B. Neurological impairments

[1 symptom from 3 categories]

1. Neurocognitive impairments

2. Pain

3. Sleep disturbance

4. Neurosensory, perceptual and motor disturbances

C. Immune, gastro-intestinal and genitourinary Impairments

[1 symptom from 3 categories]

1. Flu-like symptoms -recurrent or chronic, activate or worsen with exertion

2. Susceptibility to viral infections with prolonged recovery periods

3. Gastro-intestinal tract

4. Genitourinary

5. Sensitivities to food, medications, odours or chemicals

D. Energy production/transportation impairments

[At least 1 symptom]

1. Cardiovascular - Orthostatic Intolerance, Neurally Mediated Hypotension,

Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, Palpitations

2. Respiratory

3. Loss of thermostatic stability

4. Intolerance of extremes of temperature

Journal of Internal Medicine, Volume 270, Issue 4, pages 327–338, Oct 2011

Thanks,

Marti

>

> I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that on

the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the description is

something like this:

>

> " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain, immune

system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

>

> Be well.

> www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

>

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Thank you, Marti, this is helpful.

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:36 PM, marti_zavala wrote:

> Hi There,

> I am one of the moderators. I have updated the Home page and made various

changes per your suggestion. I have used the new description based on the

International Consensus Criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis as published in

Journal for Internal Medicine.

>

> I also updated the picture to include a scaled down version of the criteria.

Here is the description and the reason why they have chosen to use solely ME

rather than including CFS, CFIDS, FMS, etc. We will continue to use these terms

on the home page to help people find the forum.

>

> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2796.2011.02428.x/full

>

> " Myalgic encephalomyelitis is an acquired neurological disease with complex

global dysfunctions. Pathological dysregulation of the nervous, immune and

endocrine systems, cardiovascular abnormalities, impaired cellular energy

metabolism and ion transport.

>

> In view of more recent research and clinical experience that strongly point to

widespread inflammation and multisystemic neuropathology, it is more appropriate

and correct to use the term `myalgic encephalomyelitis' (ME) because it

indicates an underlying pathophysiology. It is also consistent with the

neurological classification of ME in the World Health Organization's

International Classification of Diseases (ICD G93.3). "

>

> Paraphrased criteria (see Journal article for full description)

>

> International Consensus Criteria for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis

>

> A. Postexertional neuroimmune exhaustion (PENE)

> [Compulsory]

> 1. Marked, rapid physical and/or cognitive fatigability in response to

exertion

> 2. Postexertional symptom exacerbation

> 3. Postexertional exhaustion -immediate or delayed by hours or days

> 4. Recovery period is prolonged

> 5. Low threshold of physical and mental fatigability (lack of stamina)

> 6. results in a substantial reduction in pre-illness activity level

>

> B. Neurological impairments

> [1 symptom from 3 categories]

> 1. Neurocognitive impairments

> 2. Pain

> 3. Sleep disturbance

> 4. Neurosensory, perceptual and motor disturbances

>

> C. Immune, gastro-intestinal and genitourinary Impairments

> [1 symptom from 3 categories]

> 1. Flu-like symptoms -recurrent or chronic, activate or worsen with exertion

> 2. Susceptibility to viral infections with prolonged recovery periods

> 3. Gastro-intestinal tract

> 4. Genitourinary

> 5. Sensitivities to food, medications, odours or chemicals

>

> D. Energy production/transportation impairments

> [At least 1 symptom]

> 1. Cardiovascular - Orthostatic Intolerance, Neurally Mediated Hypotension,

Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, Palpitations

> 2. Respiratory

> 3. Loss of thermostatic stability

> 4. Intolerance of extremes of temperature

>

> Journal of Internal Medicine, Volume 270, Issue 4, pages 327–338, Oct 2011

>

> Thanks,

> Marti

>

>

>

> >

> > I don't know who moderates this group, but I would like to recommend that on

the home page of this forum that the first thing written in the description is

something like this:

> >

> > " CFS/ME is a multi-system disease adversely affecting the heart, brain,

immune system, nervous system, circulatory systems and muscles, including

post-exertional malaise and neurological/ cognitive manifestations. "

> >

> > Be well.

> > www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com

> >

>

>

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