Re: anti-virals valacyclovir

[Guest guest]

Hi Marti-

I had another consult with Dr Dantini this week and got a rx for Valtrex. Now I

will go to my pharmacy & work out details of generics & costs etc. Just wanted

to relay that the doc told me that acyclovir & valacyclovir were the same except

that valacyclovir is coated. Didn't elaborate, just found that interesting. He

wanted me to try acyclovir again at a lower dosage just to see how I respond. He

said the side-effects are stomach upset, headaches & dizziness. So far its

making me pretty nauseous even when taken with Zantac. Thank you for all your

info - will certainly help me.

Joy

> > > > Hi ,

> > > > Do you find that the valacyclovir works as well as the brand name?

> > > >

> > > > I recently was switched from the Brand name Valtrex to generic

> > > > valacyclovir and it did not work for me. Seriously went downhill.

> > > >

> > > > I am now back on Valtrex and within two days, I was so much better.

> > > >

> > > > I thought regular generic acyclovir was better than generic

> > > > valacyclovir. I was very disappointed.

> > > >

> > > > I order my Valtrex for about $30 a month from India.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure acyclovir is cheaper, even. I have tried adding Valine to

> > > > my dose of acyclovir but haven't been on it long enough to see if it

> > > > would be the same as Valtrex.

> > > >

> > > > Marti

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine with

acyclovir?

I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is needed but I am

wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a difference in

bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long term.

I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine incorporated

but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg valine with 500

mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a better

generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or cannot

afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes, valtrex is

coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making it a

better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir. 800 if

things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or having a

bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some people

experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to kill

bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is happening

but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or herx

reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

Marti

> Hi Marti-

> I had another consult with Dr Dantini this week and got a rx for Valtrex.

> Now I will go to my pharmacy & work out details of generics & costs etc.

> Just wanted to relay that the doc told me that acyclovir & valacyclovir

> were the same except that valacyclovir is coated. Didn't elaborate, just

> found that interesting. He wanted me to try acyclovir again at a lower

> dosage just to see how I respond. He said the side-effects are stomach

> upset, headaches & dizziness. So far its making me pretty nauseous even

> when taken with Zantac. Thank you for all your info - will certainly help

> me.

>

> Joy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joy, were these prescribed due to lab results??? Or just symptoms?

God Bless,

Sara

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > Do you find that the valacyclovir works as well as the brand name?

> > > > >

> > > > > I recently was switched from the Brand name Valtrex to generic

> > > > > valacyclovir and it did not work for me. Seriously went downhill.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am now back on Valtrex and within two days, I was so much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought regular generic acyclovir was better than generic

> > > > > valacyclovir. I was very disappointed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I order my Valtrex for about $30 a month from India.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure acyclovir is cheaper, even. I have tried adding Valine to

> > > > > my dose of acyclovir but haven't been on it long enough to see if it

> > > > > would be the same as Valtrex.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marti

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Marti,

How long have you been taking anti-virals and for what viruses? How long are you

planing to take them? If you go off of the anti-virals do the symptoms come

back? I know nothing about anti-virals and trying to learn that is why the

questions.

Thank you,

Bev

> > Hi Marti-

> > I had another consult with Dr Dantini this week and got a rx for Valtrex.

> > Now I will go to my pharmacy & work out details of generics & costs etc.

> > Just wanted to relay that the doc told me that acyclovir & valacyclovir

> > were the same except that valacyclovir is coated. Didn't elaborate, just

> > found that interesting. He wanted me to try acyclovir again at a lower

> > dosage just to see how I respond. He said the side-effects are stomach

> > upset, headaches & dizziness. So far its making me pretty nauseous even

> > when taken with Zantac. Thank you for all your info - will certainly help

> > me.

> >

> > Joy

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Both labs & symptoms. Also, both my docs said that I should be on antivirals.

> > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > Do you find that the valacyclovir works as well as the brand name?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I recently was switched from the Brand name Valtrex to generic

> > > > > > valacyclovir and it did not work for me. Seriously went downhill.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am now back on Valtrex and within two days, I was so much better.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought regular generic acyclovir was better than generic

> > > > > > valacyclovir. I was very disappointed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I order my Valtrex for about $30 a month from India.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure acyclovir is cheaper, even. I have tried adding Valine to

> > > > > > my dose of acyclovir but haven't been on it long enough to see if it

> > > > > > would be the same as Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marti

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I started with acyclovir 800mg per day in two divided doses around 2005. I was

prescribed this for high EBV and HSV I levels.

I am planning on staying on them until I can see an ME/CFIDS specialist who will

test me for remaining possible pathogens and oversee my treatment. I am hoping

that will be sometime next year, I will have enough money saved to do this.

It depends on what dose I have been on and for how long that determines when

symptoms come back - but they always do.

If I have been on the shingles dose - 1 gm Valtrex three times per day for a

week then it may be 3 weeks before symptoms return. At 500mg valacyclovir or

around 1000mg acyclovir, the symptoms return in about a week and a half.

It is not good for your liver to be on high doses of valacyclovir or long term

treatment but I do not feel that I have a choice. My liver enzymes are

monitored (not as regularly now).

Thankfully, I have never developed a tolerance.

Once I have other treatments in place so that I don't reactivate the viruses or

my body can keep them suppressed, I would be willing to get off. At this point,

I don't plan on getting off as I would be totally non-functional.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Marti

> >

> > Hi Steve,

> > Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine with

acyclovir?

> >

> > I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is needed but

I am wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a difference in

bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long term.

> >

> > I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine

incorporated but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg

valine with 500 mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

> >

> > Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a better

generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or cannot

afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

> >

> > Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes, valtrex

is coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making it a

better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

> >

> > For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir. 800 if

things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or having a

bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

> >

> > I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some people

experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to kill

bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is happening

but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or herx

reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

> >

> > Marti

> >

[Guest guest]

Marti you might want to try coffee enemas for liver health. I was able to

" shake " my first run in CFS when age 34, due to supplements, clean

eating-------and daily coffee enemas for over a year.

God Bless,

Sara

> > >

> > > Hi Steve,

> > > Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine

with acyclovir?

> > >

> > > I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is needed

but I am wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a difference

in bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long term.

> > >

> > > I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine

incorporated but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg

valine with 500 mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

> > >

> > > Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a better

generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or cannot

afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

> > >

> > > Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes,

valtrex is coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making

it a better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

> > >

> > > For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir. 800 if

things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or having a

bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

> > >

> > > I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some people

experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to kill

bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is happening

but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or herx

reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

> > >

> > > Marti

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marti,

Thank you so much for answering my questions.

Do you treat one virus at a time with anti-virals and then go to the next one

or all at once.

Do viruses mutate and get around the antivirals like bacteria get around

antibiotics?

I tested above normal antibody levels for EBV, HHV6 and Parvo 19, The lab says

this means past infections but I feel that whatever has been causing ME.CFS in

my body is some kind of infection either these or something else.

Right now i am doing a few protocols to hopefully help my immune system be able

to suppress the viruses and keep them from causing symptoms. It seems to be

working!

Best wishes for your health and well being.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

> > >

> > > Hi Steve,

> > > Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine

with acyclovir?

> > >

> > > I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is needed

but I am wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a difference

in bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long term.

> > >

> > > I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine

incorporated but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg

valine with 500 mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

> > >

> > > Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a better

generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or cannot

afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

> > >

> > > Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes,

valtrex is coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making

it a better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

> > >

> > > For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir. 800 if

things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or having a

bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

> > >

> > > I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some people

experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to kill

bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is happening

but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or herx

reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

> > >

> > > Marti

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

No problem, we are all here to help each other.

I had very little help at the time I was first prescribed anti-virals. My HSV

titres were very high and my EBV was just high. I hadn't been tested for CMV or

other things. Basically, I had to talk my doctor into a test run of acyclovir.

I told him what could it hurt - let me just try it. So we did and it helped

immensely right away so he has let me stay on it. I don't see him anymore,

thank goodness.

Then, I was approved for Medicare so I had to hassle them to test for viruses

and other things (mycoplasma, enteroviruses) and since with ELISA testing, you

really can't distinguish between active reinfection or past infection, I

insisted on PCR testing - Polymerase Chain Reduction tests. They are more

accurate than ELISA tests.

Anyway, the PCR testing confirmed the previous testing and I have been able to

remain on anti-virals. I don't know if viruses mutate that easily. I was

expecting that I would build resistance to the anti-viral but I have not. I

know that I am not putting them in remission so it is only 1/2 or 1/3 of the

treatment that I need and I am working on that now.

I also tested positive for Parvo 19. I am curious if you are doing anything

specifically for that. I have not had good infectious disease doctor

experiences - rather terrible, in fact.

Marti

> > > >

> > > > Hi Steve,

> > > > Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine

with acyclovir?

> > > >

> > > > I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is needed

but I am wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a difference

in bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long term.

> > > >

> > > > I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine

incorporated but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg

valine with 500 mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a

better generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or

cannot afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

> > > >

> > > > Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes,

valtrex is coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making

it a better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

> > > >

> > > > For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir. 800

if things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or having a

bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

> > > >

> > > > I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some people

experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to kill

bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is happening

but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or herx

reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

> > > >

> > > > Marti

> > > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Classical homeopathy is another way to deal with viruses

that does not involve suppression, and costs pennies per

treatment round. I like the elegance of this approach.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

Articles in Files.

[Guest guest]

Kaimowitz <nanjkay@...> wrote:

>

> I concur. I have managed all my bugs- be they viral,

> bacterial or parasitic with homeopathic remedies

> and/or herbal remedies.

> Some are mixed specifically for me by my

> homeopath and some are pre-mixed like Jernigan's or

> Byron White (which is very potent, so go easy).

>

>

Just a note that *classical* homeopathy does not use

combination remedies, and uses the lowest effective

potency (does not use potencies too strong for the vital

force of the patient, and does not require an " aggravation "

for healing), so should not run into the

" very potent, so go easy " problem.

[Ref: for more info, see my article " homeohow " at url below/end.]

Carol W.

willis_protocols

Articles in Files.

> > Classical homeopathy is another way to deal with viruses

> > that does not involve suppression, and costs pennies per

> > treatment round. I like the elegance of this approach.

> >

> > Carol W.

> > willis_protocols

> > Articles in Files.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marti,

Your posts are helping me to get a clearer picture, Thank You!

Good to know about the PCR testing.

Since right now I am trying to get my immune system in better shape (low normal

natural killer cells) hopefully it will then be able to keep the viruses....all

of them known and unknown, in their rightful place. Seems to be working so far.

I have had one relapse but it was only for a few hours a day instead of all day

and all night and it went away faster overall so that is a very good sign. I

have only been on this protocol for two months.

Feel better and better.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Steve,

> > > > > Do you know of anyone who is replicating valacyclovir by taking valine

with acyclovir?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have tried to play with this to see what the dose of valine is

needed but I am wondering if it is in the breakdown of the two that makes a

difference in bioavailability. I have too chicken to really test this out long

term.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have pored over the GSK valtrex.pdf to find the amount of valine

incorporated but have not discovered it. I initially tried 500mg then 1000mg

valine with 500 mg acyclovir then 800mg acyclovir.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just curious. It's not an issue for me now that I am able to get a

better generic for $3 but I know many on this list do not have insurance or

cannot afford valtrex (even the generic) while acyclovir is dirt cheap.

> > > > >

> > > > > Joy, not sure why Dr. Dantini said that as it is not correct. Yes,

valtrex is coated and that may be where the suspension agents are located making

it a better generic than the uncoated but acyclovir is a capsule and is not as

bioavailable, as Steve said.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example - 500mg valacyclovir equals 800mg to 1200mg acyclovir.

800 if things are calm and 1200 if I am too busy, too physically active or

having a bodily stressor like a cold or the flu or some such.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know some people have side effects but I do not have any. Some

people experience die-off and I believe them but valacyclovir is not supposed to

kill bugs but keep them from replicating so not sure how a herx reaction is

happening but I believe them. We are all different. I have zero side effects or

herx reaction. I hope your nausea clears up soon.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marti

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carol,

Hadn't thought much about that but glad you reminded me of that option!

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> Classical homeopathy is another way to deal with viruses

> that does not involve suppression, and costs pennies per

> treatment round. I like the elegance of this approach.

>

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

> Articles in Files.

>

[Guest guest]

Kaimowitz <nanjkay@...> wrote:

>

> Actually, not true for me. I have had very strong reactions

> to strict homeopathics as well.

By " strict homeopathics " , I gather you mean single

homeopathic remedy vs. combination?

Single remedies can range from very low potencies such

as 6X or lower, to 1M or 10M for example, with many

gradients in between. If the potency was too strong for

you, something I ALWAYS want to avoid, then you would

likely have a strong negative reaction to it.

It's also possible to " prove " a remedy (display new symptoms the

remedy is supposed to cure) even at low potency, and

I've done that a couple times myself with 30C potencies.

Fortunately, these lower potencies can be fully antidoted if

necessary, which is not always the case with higher potencies.

Most homeopaths are too fast and loose with 200C and higher

potencies. They also redose too often, some of them redose

WAAYY too often.

Sensitives can benefit from the lower potencies, though " proving "

various remedies is more common among sensitives than normals.

Thyroid patients and most CFS should be considered sensitives

from the outset. Most homeopaths don't make this distinction,

but I noticed it and was one of the reasons I wrote

my article TCM " Excess vs. Deficient Constitutions "

almost 10 yrs ago.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

> If you're sensitive, you'll be sensitive to detox for

> instance, and if the homeopathic encourages detox,

> for instance, you could have an issue.

> It all depends on what the homeopathic is doing. 

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: cbwillis9 <cbwillis9@...>

>

> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:56 PM

> Subject: Re: anti-virals valacyclovir

>

>

>  

>

>

> Kaimowitz <nanjkay@> wrote:

> >

> > I concur. I have managed all my bugs- be they viral,

> > bacterial or parasitic with homeopathic remedies

> > and/or herbal remedies.

>

> > Some are mixed specifically for me by my

> > homeopath and some are pre-mixed like Jernigan's or

> > Byron White (which is very potent, so go easy).

> >

> >

>

> Just a note that *classical* homeopathy does not use

> combination remedies, and uses the lowest effective

> potency (does not use potencies too strong for the vital

> force of the patient, and does not require an " aggravation "

> for healing), so should not run into the

> " very potent, so go easy " problem.

>

> [Ref: for more info, see my article " homeohow " at url below/end.]

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

> Articles in Files.

>

> > > Classical homeopathy is another way to deal with viruses

> > > that does not involve suppression, and costs pennies per

> > > treatment round. I like the elegance of this approach.

> > >

> > > Carol W.

> > > willis_protocols

> > > Articles in Files.

>

>

>

>

>