Re: Follow-up report on ATP Fuel

[Guest guest]

Marti writes:

> I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> running out of cortisol by late evening.

Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

but we do need some.

> Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

esp potassium etc etc etc.

Something to try instead of HC,

100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

right time.

Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

below/end.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

Articles in Files.

[Guest guest]

don't clean! my body reacts differently to the same supplement at times. i think

we are mysteries. ( i wrote myseries) i totally exhausted myself trying new

treatments recently and it is expensive. i tried old treatments, remembering

having good results for awhile and not remembering side effects or why i stopped

taking them.

>

> Hi group,

> I have posted previously about participating in the research study for ATP

Fuel ( a better version of NT Factor).

>

> I had posted that I had excellent results. Then I ran out of the supplement

and hung onto a bit of the improvement for a couple of months. Very happy and

felt it was worth it - up to 85% functionality.

>

> Then my son came home from college and the cleaning prior and the visit itself

took me down to a lower level of functionality. Let's say 70% or maybe 65%.

>

> Then my new bottle of ATP Fuel came and I started it right before he left and

I have to report that it has had the opposite effect.

>

> Severe fatigue, not even PEM as no exertion was necessary. Could not get out

of bed, 10% functionality, maybe. Seriously worrying. So exhausted that I

forgot to take my pills one morning and by 3pm, I felt better. I had not been

taking it and felt better after 4 days.

>

> I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely running out of cortisol by late

evening. Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC. Has made my POTS worse so

there is a definite connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel better after

an emergency packet or even a banana!).

>

> Still not up to where I was previously but wouldn't have been anyway since my

son was home.

>

> My thoughts: too stimulating for my weakened state. Perhaps you have to be

in a good adrenal level for ATP Fuel to help. Maybe good glutathione levels

help to recycle the ATP and heal the mitochondria and if those levels (cortisol

and glutathione) are depleted, the reverse effect happens.

>

> Going to check in with the contact I had for the study and report my findings.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Marti

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Yes, I do remember that you are not a fan of HC. To be honest, I am not a

proponent. I did do a 9 month trial a couple of years back. I felt some relief

but didn't stay on it.

So, this has been the first time in 2 or 3 years that I have had any HC. But

the symptoms pointed to worsened adrenal fatigue so I tried 10mg and within an

hour I felt better.

As you write about HC deranging electrolytes - that would also describe what the

ATP Fuel seems to have done - how interesting.

I do have Pantho. acid around - not sure what dosage but will definitely play

with this.

Many thanks for your suggestion - and also the Reverse T3 suggestion. I have

been attempting to address the causes - new bloodwork at the end of the month

will show my progress. For some reason, I don't think it has resolved.

Marti

>

> Marti writes:

> > I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> > running out of cortisol by late evening.

>

> Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

> but we do need some.

>

>

> > Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> > Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> > connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> > better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

>

>

>

> You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

> including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

> esp potassium etc etc etc.

>

>

> Something to try instead of HC,

> 100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

> to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

> I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

> as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

> More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

> You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

> right time.

>

>

>

> Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

> below/end.

>

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

> Articles in Files.

>

[Guest guest]

So how low is too low so that we shouldn't take the phosphatidyl serine complex?

Do you or anybody know?

Thank you,

Gail

>

> Marti writes:

> > I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> > running out of cortisol by late evening.

>

> Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

> but we do need some.

>

>

> > Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> > Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> > connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> > better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

>

>

>

> You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

> including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

> esp potassium etc etc etc.

>

>

> Something to try instead of HC,

> 100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

> to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

> I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

> as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

> More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

> You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

> right time.

>

>

>

> Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

> below/end.

>

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

> Articles in Files.

>

[Guest guest]

<wanda85929@...> wrote:

> So how low is too low so that we shouldn't take

> the phosphatidyl serine complex? Do you or anybody know?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Gail

I don't even like phos.serine for high cortisol, much

less normal or low.

See my article " PS " and " highcort2 " for more info,

at url below/end.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

Articles in Files.

> > Marti writes:

> > > I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> > > running out of cortisol by late evening.

> >

> > Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

> > but we do need some.

> >

> >

> > > Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> > > Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> > > connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> > > better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

> >

> >

> >

> > You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

> > including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

> > esp potassium etc etc etc.

> >

> >

> > Something to try instead of HC,

> > 100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

> > to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

> > I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

> > as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

> > More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

> > You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

> > right time.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

> > below/end.

> >

> >

> > Carol W.

> > willis_protocols

> > Articles in Files.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

Sorry, forgot to reply. I think you got a good response though.

Phos. Serine does lower cortisol so most of us shouldn't take it. There are

some people who have high cortisol but I am not crazy about this supplement even

then because you have little control over cortisol levels through the day and

anecdotal evidence seems to show that the effect is long lasting. I do believe

Rich Van K. removed this supplement and replaced it with something similar that

doesn't lower cortisol in the Simplified Yasko Protocol.

Unless you were referring to the Pantho. Acid suggestion from Carol.

Marti

> >

> > Marti writes:

> > > I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> > > running out of cortisol by late evening.

> >

> > Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

> > but we do need some.

> >

> >

> > > Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> > > Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> > > connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> > > better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

> >

> >

> >

> > You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

> > including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

> > esp potassium etc etc etc.

> >

> >

> > Something to try instead of HC,

> > 100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

> > to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

> > I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

> > as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

> > More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

> > You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

> > right time.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

> > below/end.

> >

> >

> > Carol W.

> > willis_protocols

> > Articles in Files.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Phos serine complex really helps me to sleep

I want to get more

Thanks

On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:13 PM, marti_zavala wrote:

> Hi Gail,

> Sorry, forgot to reply. I think you got a good response though.

>

> Phos. Serine does lower cortisol so most of us shouldn't take it. There are

some people who have high cortisol but I am not crazy about this supplement even

then because you have little control over cortisol levels through the day and

anecdotal evidence seems to show that the effect is long lasting. I do believe

Rich Van K. removed this supplement and replaced it with something similar that

doesn't lower cortisol in the Simplified Yasko Protocol.

>

> Unless you were referring to the Pantho. Acid suggestion from Carol.

>

> Marti

>

>

> > >

> > > Marti writes:

> > > > I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely

> > > > running out of cortisol by late evening.

> > >

> > > Cortisol is normally extremely low around 12M,

> > > but we do need some.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC.

> > > > Has made my POTS worse so there is a definite

> > > > connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel

> > > > better after an emergency packet or even a banana!).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You know that I'm not a fan of HC, for many reasons,

> > > including invoking feedback loops, deranged electrolytes

> > > esp potassium etc etc etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Something to try instead of HC,

> > > 100 mg pantothenic acid as you're beginning to eat dinner,

> > > to give some extra adrenal support in the hours ahead.

> > > I have several dosages of panto acid around for flexibility

> > > as needed, Vitamin Shoppe has 100 mg, 250 mg, 500 mg.

> > > More in terms of amount is not necessarily better.

> > > You want the right amount for the right situation, at the

> > > right time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ref: my articles " mito " , " basics " , " adrenal support " at url

> > > below/end.

> > >

> > >

> > > Carol W.

> > > willis_protocols

> > > Articles in Files.

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, I think I have an answer and I don't think it was the ATP Fuel.

When I started the ATP Fuel, I also started on the new generic valacyclovir that

I was given with my new insurance. Since I have done well on several different

manufacturers of generic Valtrex, I didn't think this was the reason for my

downslide so I blamed it on the ATP Fuel.

With Steve's help, I believe that my downslide was due to a different

formulation of valacyclovir. Within two days of taking a different valacyclovir

(made by Cipla that I rec'd from India), I was 80% better. Within 4 days, I was

90% better. I still have some lingering issues that I believe are depleted

electrolytes and possibly depleted glutathione which was making my POTS worse.

I have had a full endocrine workup but do not have the tests yet and one from

just before the two meds, so I may have more concrete answers.

While I am not 100% back to where I was before these two meds, I am almost

there.

So, my report of adverse effect from ATP Fuel was incorrect (I will start the

ATP Fuel once I feel stabilized and stronger).

Marti

>

> Hi group,

> I have posted previously about participating in the research study for ATP

Fuel ( a better version of NT Factor).

>

> I had posted that I had excellent results. Then I ran out of the supplement

and hung onto a bit of the improvement for a couple of months. Very happy and

felt it was worth it - up to 85% functionality.

>

> Then my son came home from college and the cleaning prior and the visit itself

took me down to a lower level of functionality. Let's say 70% or maybe 65%.

>

> Then my new bottle of ATP Fuel came and I started it right before he left and

I have to report that it has had the opposite effect.

>

> Severe fatigue, not even PEM as no exertion was necessary. Could not get out

of bed, 10% functionality, maybe. Seriously worrying. So exhausted that I

forgot to take my pills one morning and by 3pm, I felt better. I had not been

taking it and felt better after 4 days.

>

> I feel as if it is adrenal fatigue. Completely running out of cortisol by late

evening. Symptoms only resolving with 10mg of HC. Has made my POTS worse so

there is a definite connection. Very low in electrolytes (I feel better after

an emergency packet or even a banana!).

>

> Still not up to where I was previously but wouldn't have been anyway since my

son was home.

>

> My thoughts: too stimulating for my weakened state. Perhaps you have to be

in a good adrenal level for ATP Fuel to help. Maybe good glutathione levels

help to recycle the ATP and heal the mitochondria and if those levels (cortisol

and glutathione) are depleted, the reverse effect happens.

>

> Going to check in with the contact I had for the study and report my findings.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Marti

>