Re: B12 supplemention needed for vegan diets

[Guest guest]

Quick google search re vegan B12 shows vegan sources. I've never given B12 any

thought in over 3 decades mainly vegan, but hey, bought some sublingual high

doses a couple mo. ago & have noticed no effect whatsoever. I'll keep taking

them in case they're making some cellular difference. One nutrient I was shocked

to be low on was D. And potassium. They're both a huge deal...

" Here are some reliable ways to get the Vitamin B12 you need:

* B12 Supplements -- First and foremost, I recommend Vegan Vitamin B12

supplements. They're incredibly easy to take (just pop a small tablet under your

tongue) and they're VERY inexpensive. Remember, you're shooting for at least

2,500 micrograms per week. So pay attention to the amount of B12 the supplement

provides.

Here's what I recommend. Nab a bottle of sublingual (meaning

under-the-tongue) B12 tabs. (I like these B12 tabs by DEVA because they have B12

AND folic acid smooshed together in one tablet. Vitamin B12 and folic acid are

very close pals. They have many functions in common, and each requires the

presence of the other to do its best job.)

These tabs contain 1,000 mcg of B12 each, so once a week you will take 3

tabs to equal the required 2,500 mcg per week, ideally spaced apart; for

instance, one with breakfast, one with lunch, and one with dinner.

Are you are the type of person who would prefer to take your B12 once per

day so you don't forget? Then take 250 mcg of B12 daily. What if your

supplements contain more than 250 mcg of B12? It's no biggie. Remember, what

your body doesn't use is just flushed away so it's completely harmless to take

more than you need. Simply keep your B12 where you'll see them every day, such

as near your toothbrush on your bathroom countertop. Then, just pop one under

your tongue after one of your tooth-brushing sessions; for instance, before

heading out for the day.

* Another source of Vegan Vitamin B12 is Nutritional Yeast - A delicious,

cheesy-tasting source of this very important vitamin IF IF IF it's been

fortified with Vegan Vitamin B12. The link above leads to a B-12 fortified

nutritional yeast made by Red Star which you can order by the bottle or the

bucket.

Please note: Not all Red Star nutritional yeast is B12-fortified so be

sure to check the ingredients so the one you choose contains Vitamin B12. Be

sure to regularly check your nutritional yeast source, though, as sometimes they

may make changes to their " recipe " which could change the amount of vegan

Vitamin B12 you're receiving.

Nutritional Yeast with Vitamin B121 1/2 Tablespoons (16g) of Red Star B-12

fortified nutritional yeast flakes provides 133% of the recommended RDA for B12.

But your body can't absorb that much at once so don't feel that you can just

take 1 1/2 Tbsp of nutritional yeast per week and be done with it. Nutritional

yeast also comes in mini flakes or powder. By the way, 1 Tablespoon of powdered

or mini flake nutritional yeast is equal to 2 Tablespoons of the large flakes.

I LOVE nutritional yeast and use it every single day in just about

anything, including my salads, soups, rice and bean dishes, on my veggies, etc.

Nutritional yeast is okay for those on a yeast-free diet since it's an

inactive yeast. It has a shelf life of 18 months stored in a cool, dry place.

* B12 Fortified Foods and Beverages - Check the labels to be sure they're

actually fortified with Vitamin B12. Look for at least 25% of the U.S. RDA. "

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> Hi, all.

>

> I respect people's choice of a vegan diet, but I just want to urge you to

supplement vitamin B12 if you have chosen this type of diet. A vegan diet does

not supply enough vitamin B12.

>

> This is particularly important in chronic fatigue syndrome, where there is a

functional vitamin B12 deficiency that results from glutathione depletion.

>

> Once a person has developed chronic fatigue syndrome, vitamin B12 must be

taken in large dosage to overcome the functional B12 deficiency. In order to

get enough into the blood to overcome this, it is necessary to take it

sublingually or by injection. In the simplified methylation protocol for

ME/CFS, the sublingual dosage of hydroxocobalamin is suggested at 2 milligrams

(2,000 micrograms) per day. It is also necessary to take an active form of

folate (preferably methylfolate) orally at and RDA-level dosage (a few hundred

micrograms per day).

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> Best regards,

>

> Rich

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[Guest guest]

Hi, certain.

I'm glad you are taking some high-dose sublingual B12. If you have ME/CFS, it's

necessary to also take active folate, preferably methylfolate. These two

together are necessary to lift the partial block of methionine synthase, which

is the core issue in the pathophysiology of ME/CFS. B12 alone will not do it.

Best regards,

Rich

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> > Hi, all.

> >

> > I respect people's choice of a vegan diet, but I just want to urge you to

supplement vitamin B12 if you have chosen this type of diet. A vegan diet does

not supply enough vitamin B12.

> >

> > This is particularly important in chronic fatigue syndrome, where there is a

functional vitamin B12 deficiency that results from glutathione depletion.

> >

> > Once a person has developed chronic fatigue syndrome, vitamin B12 must be

taken in large dosage to overcome the functional B12 deficiency. In order to

get enough into the blood to overcome this, it is necessary to take it

sublingually or by injection. In the simplified methylation protocol for

ME/CFS, the sublingual dosage of hydroxocobalamin is suggested at 2 milligrams

(2,000 micrograms) per day. It is also necessary to take an active form of

folate (preferably methylfolate) orally at and RDA-level dosage (a few hundred

micrograms per day).

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Rich

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's good to know, & timely. Thanks. The emergency room I went to a few nights

back called tonight to say I have Epstein-Barr & fatigue is the #1 symptom. No,

really? A 'lil tiredness? Same hospital I've gone doctor to doctor since last

September saying I'm TIRED. Each consecutive one more strongly implicating me as

a nutcase in the charts. This is the sort of negligence that makes it to courts.

No one tested me for squat; " You look fine. You need to smile more. "

So 10 hours google search later, looks like I'm in for a long haul, like

everyone else. If anyone knows anything about, uh, what you do first, like beg

for an antibiotic, pls. advise. Looks like my EBV #'s aren't as high as many,

but still far out of range. Never had mono, just chicken pox or was it shingles,

as a kid. I think this falls under the rubric CFS, as it's gone on so long,

though I'm sure they'll deny that term, as well. Below is nifty stuff on

absorption issues re folate or whatever it was. No brain left.

" Synthetic folic acid is metabolized in the body into levomefolic acid.

Approximately 10% of the general population (homozygous TT) lack the enzymes

needed to receive any benefit from folic acid.[citation needed] Another 40% of

the population (heterozygous CT) appear to convert only a limited amount of

folic acid into levomefolic acid. They cannot fully process supplemental folic

acid at RDA or higher dose levels.[citation needed] The remaining population do

not have a known MTHFR polymorphism and can therefore metabolize folic acid more

efficiently. It is synthesized in the absorptive cells of the small intestine

from polyglutamylated dietary folate. "

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> > > Hi, all.

> > >

> > > I respect people's choice of a vegan diet, but I just want to urge you to

supplement vitamin B12 if you have chosen this type of diet. A vegan diet does

not supply enough vitamin B12.

> > >

> > > This is particularly important in chronic fatigue syndrome, where there is

a functional vitamin B12 deficiency that results from glutathione depletion.

> > >

> > > Once a person has developed chronic fatigue syndrome, vitamin B12 must be

taken in large dosage to overcome the functional B12 deficiency. In order to

get enough into the blood to overcome this, it is necessary to take it

sublingually or by injection. In the simplified methylation protocol for

ME/CFS, the sublingual dosage of hydroxocobalamin is suggested at 2 milligrams

(2,000 micrograms) per day. It is also necessary to take an active form of

folate (preferably methylfolate) orally at and RDA-level dosage (a few hundred

micrograms per day).

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Rich

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Rich,

While patient at a FFC I administered shots myself of

glutathione---Folate---and B12. What to you would be the dosage for

those---and how often?

God Bless,

Sara

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> > > Hi, all.

> > >

> > > I respect people's choice of a vegan diet, but I just want to urge you to

supplement vitamin B12 if you have chosen this type of diet. A vegan diet does

not supply enough vitamin B12.

> > >

> > > This is particularly important in chronic fatigue syndrome, where there is

a functional vitamin B12 deficiency that results from glutathione depletion.

> > >

> > > Once a person has developed chronic fatigue syndrome, vitamin B12 must be

taken in large dosage to overcome the functional B12 deficiency. In order to

get enough into the blood to overcome this, it is necessary to take it

sublingually or by injection. In the simplified methylation protocol for

ME/CFS, the sublingual dosage of hydroxocobalamin is suggested at 2 milligrams

(2,000 micrograms) per day. It is also necessary to take an active form of

folate (preferably methylfolate) orally at and RDA-level dosage (a few hundred

micrograms per day).

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Rich

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sara.

It seems to vary from one person to another, but something like 2,000 micrograms

of hydroxo B12 and 400 to 800 micrograms of methylfolate would be a place to

start. If the symptoms are intolerable, then it's best to start with lower

dosages. I don't advocate injecting glutathione in most cases, because people

with ME/CFS are usually low in NADPH and are not able to recycle glutathione

very well when it becomes oxidized in dealing with the high oxidative stress in

this disorder. I think it's better to work on the methylation cycle, and then

glutathione will be able to come up on its own.

I recommend being under the care of a physician while on this treatment, because

there have been rare cases of serious adverse effects.

Best regards,

Rich

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> > > > Hi, all.

> > > >

> > > > I respect people's choice of a vegan diet, but I just want to urge you

to supplement vitamin B12 if you have chosen this type of diet. A vegan diet

does not supply enough vitamin B12.

> > > >

> > > > This is particularly important in chronic fatigue syndrome, where there

is a functional vitamin B12 deficiency that results from glutathione depletion.

> > > >

> > > > Once a person has developed chronic fatigue syndrome, vitamin B12 must

be taken in large dosage to overcome the functional B12 deficiency. In order to

get enough into the blood to overcome this, it is necessary to take it

sublingually or by injection. In the simplified methylation protocol for

ME/CFS, the sublingual dosage of hydroxocobalamin is suggested at 2 milligrams

(2,000 micrograms) per day. It is also necessary to take an active form of

folate (preferably methylfolate) orally at and RDA-level dosage (a few hundred

micrograms per day).

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rich

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