Re: Experience with grounding?

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I have good experience with grounding and i know some people have great

experiences with it--as you just suggested. You can contact me directly to

discuss.

From: Chardale Irvine <ch_irv@...>

Subject: Experience with grounding?

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Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 6:49 AM

 

Through some trial and error I discovered that when I am having leg pain

my husband can just lightly run his hands over my legs and the pain leaves or at

least shifts. This got me thinking that it must be an electrical conduction

issue so I started researching. The first thing I came across was the grounding

concept. Last evening I spent an hour sitting outside with my bare feet on the

ground while watching our outdoor tv. I slept last night for the first time in

weeks. I did have to make several trips to the bathroom (6) so my kidneys were

obviously in overdrive but I went back to sleep right away.

Does anyone have experience good, bad or benign about grounding? Any experience

with the mattress pad or other products?

Thank you,

Chardale Irvine - Florida

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Grounding has been discussed in one of my lyme groups and people's experiences

vary a lot. Some, like me, had adverse reactions. But you already seem to be

showing a positive response, so I don't think you need to worry about that. You

can buy relatively inexpensive materials for making your own mats, etc., here:

http://www.lessemf.com/emf-shie.html (scroll down to " Materials to Custom Make

Your Own Shields " ).

Ellen

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Would be interested to know what the adverse effects were that you experienced.

Char

On May 2, 2012, at 2:35 PM, " ellen " <variegatedfoliage@...> wrote:

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> Grounding has been discussed in one of my lyme groups and people's experiences

vary a lot. Some, like me, had adverse reactions. But you already seem to be

showing a positive response, so I don't think you need to worry about that. You

can buy relatively inexpensive materials for making your own mats, etc., here:

http://www.lessemf.com/emf-shie.html (scroll down to " Materials to Custom Make

Your Own Shields " ).

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> Ellen

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Both Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and Dr. Alasdair Philips say when a person

uses grounding sheets they should either turn the mains off or use a

demand switch to cut the power to the room, otherwise the sheet will

pick up the electricity from the room, exposing the person to more EMFs

(even though it is grounded).

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That's a theory. Did they actually measure the voltage in the body? The

electrical fields were always reduced when i measured them because the ground

cancels the electrical fields. It's possible magnetic fields that are not

grounded and canceled might increase, but if that were happening all the time

this would not work, and it does even in hotels that have terrible emf fields

circulating.

As much as i recognize Klinghardt as a pioneer, much of his reasoning is weak

around lyme and other things. I don't know Philips.

If you can cut the power, that is good, of course.

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Alasdair Philips is an electrical engineer, creator of Power Watch, and

an internationally recognized expert on EMFs. He told me in a bedroom

with mains voltage lighting and wiring, lying on an earthed mat can

actually increase the electric field to which your body is exposed to.

In my room I found this was true. I imagine it varies depending on the

room set up. Most relatively cheap EMF meters (inclcuding the TriField

meter) are very inaccurate for analyzing electric fields. Alasdair wrote:

Earthing a person in a high electric field environment does reduce the

body voltage with respect to earth to almost zero (of course) but the

person is them actually subject to MORE a.c. vibrating induced body

currents from the room's electric fields than before. You can clearly

see this if you earth them through an a.c. microammeter that measures

body current to earth instead of a voltmeter.

The key is to have a building with shielded mains electrical wiring or

to use a demand switch to turn off the a.c. supply to the bedroom at

night. Or to apply earthed conductive paint or foil to the walls,

ceiling and floor so as the effectively screen the wiring and keep the

electric fields away from you.

Then, if you have a " clean " earth - a good and not electrically noisy

connect to the real earth / ground of the planet, earthing is reported

to help (at least some people). In my country cottage with low internal

electric fields I find earthing does not help help my health and usually

makes my sleep more disturbed.

Walking barefoot (or wearing conductive shoes) when walking on earth and

grass (etc) has long been shown to be beneficial.

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I was not using a trifield but two kinds meters to measure current in

the body by holding it in my hand.I never felt worse and only felt a

little better grounded--dreaming more, and that is it. But some feel

much better, and others worse, apparently.

I'm not sure what the difference in measurement is that your refer to here:

What are vibrating induced currents?

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I wasn't referring to measuring body voltage but measuring electric

fields in the bed area by putting a meter which measures electric field

on the bed. This requires seperate meters. This shows what electric

fields the body is exposed to when lying on this area whereas body

voltage shows what electric charge the body is carrying. So what

Alasdair is saying is that while body voltage will go way down as the

person is grounded the actual electric fields to the person is exposed

to often goes up, which is especially a problem if the person hapens to

be electrically sensitive. I am certainly not anti-grounding sheets,

they clearly help some people, but it does seem to make some people feel

worse.