Re:Solubility of Toxins Alcohol Danger

[Guest guest]

Barb et al.

Just remember that any alcohol used " straight " for cleaning is flammable. Be

very cautious, avoid spraying if possible.

Vapors from an evaporating bucket of pure alcohol are denser than air, can

travel across a table top or floor, and be ignited by a spark or remote flame

source, such as a water heater or stove pilot light. (I used to do a

demonstration of this on my desktop when I taught chemistry.)

Although many mycotoxins are soluble in pure alcohol, at the water dilution you

are describing, the solution is unlikely to dissolve much.

Perhaps normal washing with detergent, which also solubilizes some mycotoxins,

would be safer and equally effective.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

>Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:54:33 -0000

>From: " julesblucky " <julesblucky@...>

>Subject: Re: Solubility of Toxins

>Hi Barb,

>It varies, but for overnight soaking, I'm using about a pint alcohol

>in a sink/large bucket of water. Also using it straight for cleaning

>off surfaces and spraying down things I'm really reacting to.

>Be sure to protect yourself from the fumes (mask/open windows/fans),

>but they disperse quickly.

>Jules

> > Hello everyone,

> > As we've discussed in the past, I've had considerable luck

cleaning

> > what I perceive to be toxins, out of certain items using plain old

> > rubbing alcohol; i.e., clothing, draperies, bedding, rugs,

plastics,

> > glass, formica, wood, leather (?-jury is still out). I've been

> > using a 12-hour soak method, and having pretty good results.

> >

[Guest guest]

I can testify to normal washing with detergents doing nothing for

mycotoxins, but as I have stated before, have had small sucesses with

washing with de-natured alcohol and vulpex soap- which is soluable in

alcohol

> Although many mycotoxins are soluble in pure alcohol, at the water

dilution you are describing, the solution is unlikely to dissolve

much.

> Perhaps normal washing with detergent, which also solubilizes some

mycotoxins, would be safer and equally effective.

> May

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, denatured alcohol is in the hardware store. Borax I have heard

is good for mold, but did nothing for mycotaxins.

karen--- In , " Barbra BW " <bbw@f...>

wrote:

> ,

> Do you buy denatured alcohol at hardware store?

> I found a link regarding Vulpex soap and also architectural soap.

It gives

> two addresses to buy it. Is it that rare to find, just these two

sources or

> restoration resources? Is that where you buy it?

> http://www.chicora.org/cleaning.htm

> Did you try or have good results with washing with Borax, that was

discussed

> here?

> I've been using Borax but don't know if it is working since I'm

not MCS,

> just want to get the mold out. I'm targetting the mold, not the

toxins with

> Borax. I'd like to get both mold and mycotoxins out but haven't

heard of

> anything working. How do you know your combination is working for

you? Are

> you MCS and do not react to your clothes after washing with this

duo?

> barbb

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@v...>

>

> >I can testify to normal washing with detergents doing nothing for

> > mycotoxins, but as I have stated before, have had small sucesses

with

> > washing with de-natured alcohol and vulpex soap- which is

soluable in

> > alcohol

[Guest guest]

> Do you buy denatured alcohol at hardware store?

> I found a link regarding Vulpex soap and also architectural soap. It

> gives

> two addresses to buy it. Is it that rare to find, just these two sources

> or

> restoration resources? Is that where you buy it?

> http://www.chicora.org/cleaning.htm

> Did you try or have good results with washing with Borax, that was

> discussed

> here?

> I've been using Borax but don't know if it is working since I'm not MCS,

> just want to get the mold out. I'm targetting the mold, not the toxins

> with

> Borax. I'd like to get both mold and mycotoxins out but haven't heard of

> anything working. How do you know your combination is working for you?

> Are

> you MCS and do not react to your clothes after washing with this duo?

> barbb

Barb and all. Just a friendly warning that denatured alcohol, rubbing

alcohol and other products to decontaminate our " things " are potentially

toxic to our health and those around us. I'm MCS and I couldn't tolerate

these products. Nor would I use them around my " normal " husband or pets.

Anything that would contain the more toxic molds and mycotoxins I would not

even attempt to clean in my own home for obvious reasons; however to clean

the tiles in my shower, the brick outside my home, lawn furniture, etc I've

been using for some time with excellent results (no reactions) TSP and

sodium percarbonate. I'm also using 100% pure essential oils in a diffuser

in my home as a preventative. White vinegar combined with hydrogen peroxide

as Barb mentioned in the shower is also effective and that though does need

to be followed up with a good scrubbing which could include the TSP and

sodium percarbonate and then a sealer applied.

TSP and sodium percarbonate I use to wash clothes; especially when heavily

soiled from digging in my garden or having visited moldy establishments like

old fashion nurseries, etc. I double rinse and the clothes seem clean.

Just my thoughts and uses,

Rosie