Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 O.P.C. antioxidants (very specific kind) are one of the best treatments for illnesses of oxidative stress. Oxidative stress to the body is what rust is to metal. It's doesn't matter the cause of the illness, the goal with any chronic illness is to get rid of the rust and to be as shiny (i.e., as healthy) as possible. Antioxidants, hence their name, ANTI--oxidants, get rid of oxidation caused by free radical damage to one's cells. Doubtful any clinical doctor will ever tell you that (not because they don't already know it) but because doctors are paid by Big Pharma to write prescriptions; that's how their job works. Boston has world-class clinical care, but I had to fly across the world (literally, Boston-->Paris) faciliated by the United Nations for someone to enlighten me. Simply google any variation of: " oxidative stress " and " OPC antioxidants, " and " CFS " and " ME " to see if it's a good fit for you. Be (as) well (as possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hi all- gosh, guess my doctor (Dr Enlander) is .. what? not a typical clinical doctor. he does not generally use the drugs so much; have been getting shots once a week with other immune system support adjuncts (see his website as I am too lazy to get up and look up Lectrolyte bottle, Catapult, etc). it's enlander.com but then many are familiar with his treatment. just kind of resent a blanket statement of 'all' clinical doctors. no; not all of them. (not in an especially good mood), Jane, one with the hound, NYC also - many of us -myself anyway- have been well aware of antioxidents and free radicals etc for many years. know I was for a long time before diagnosis. took the trouble to .. read, you know? just health food store restaurant mags... > > O.P.C. antioxidants (very specific kind) are one of the best treatments for illnesses of oxidative stress. > > Oxidative stress to the body is what rust is to metal. It's doesn't matter the cause of the illness, the goal with any chronic illness is to get rid of the rust and to be as shiny (i.e., as healthy) as possible. > > Antioxidants, hence their name, ANTI--oxidants, get rid of oxidation caused by free radical damage to one's cells. > > Doubtful any clinical doctor will ever tell you that (not because they don't already know it) but because doctors are paid by Big Pharma to write prescriptions; that's how their job works. Boston has world-class clinical care, but I had to fly across the world (literally, Boston-->Paris) faciliated by the United Nations for someone to enlighten me. > > Simply google any variation of: " oxidative stress " and " OPC antioxidants, " and " CFS " and " ME " to see if it's a good fit for you. > > Be (as) well (as possible). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Fair point. Though I didn't state " all " . I stated " doubtful any... " . My doctors in downtown Boston are all top-notch (i.e., accolades all around for their ability to run tests and write 'scripts for me), but I can barely get any one of them to talk about health and wellness. Honestly, I don't even expect them too (it's not their job). So, I am sure you can acknowledge that Enlander, if he does actually spend time on this stuff with you, is a VERY rare exception. This is the issue, however, and perhaps you are well-aware of it, but I do not believe most are. All CFS patients are different. For example: - Causal pathogen(s) - Genetic predisposition - Environment - Pathogens that were previously dominant but since got activated. - Heavy metals - and/or any combination of the above The one thing in common with all sick bodies (regardless of the illness were talking about) is that they have acidic pH levels and high oxidative stress levels. If you can manage your body's pH and oxidative stress levels downward, severe illness will not be able to thrive in the environment. Do you remember the little test strips from 6th grade science? You can buy really cheap saliva/urine-based pH test strips to help accomplish this feat. Just google " CFS and pH levels, " " body pH testing, " or " CFS and oxidative stress " , etc. Antioxidants cannot kill pathogens, but they are designed to reduce your oxidative stress levels so your body can fight the viruses/bacteria/parasites/etc on its own (which is what the body is designed to do). That's why they are called ANTI...oxidants. Be (as) well (as possible). > > Hi all- > gosh, guess my doctor (Dr Enlander) is .. what? not a typical clinical doctor. he does not generally use the drugs so much; have been getting shots once a week with other immune system support adjuncts (see his website as I am too lazy to get up and look up Lectrolyte bottle, Catapult, etc). it's enlander.com but then many are familiar with his treatment. > just kind of resent a blanket statement of 'all' clinical doctors. no; not all of them. > (not in an especially good mood), > Jane, one with the hound, NYC > also - many of us -myself anyway- have been well aware of antioxidents and free radicals etc for many years. know I was for a long time before diagnosis. took the trouble to .. read, > you know? just health food store restaurant mags.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 For example: New Hope for Chronic Fatigue By Patty Webb-Butts, Ph.D. An alkaline diet may be the answer for some who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome... ....An alkaline diet was my salvation. When our body is alkaline, candida, fungus, yeast, mold, parasites, viruses, and bacteria do not thrive. According to Dr. Young, author of The pH Miracle, microforms are the major players in chronic fatigue syndrome. If your body is acidic, it is likely you have microforms. How do you know if your body is alkaline or acidic? Dr. Young, suggests you use litmus paper (you can buy it a health food store) and get an indication of where the pH of the urine is by testing the first morning urine. Take a strip of the pH paper and wet it. If the paper does not change color, that indicates a highly acidic body. Urine should be 6.8 to 7.2 (medium green), if it too much color (dark blue) that also indicates highly acidic. Remember this test is an estimate. The best way to measure pH is ask your doctor to do a fasting urine and blood analysis. These tests may take two to four weeks to find the results. Dr. Chi C. Mao, chief medical officer at Select Specialty Hospitals in Houston Texas endorses Dr. Young's theories on disease and his understanding of the acid-base balance. " …so far the implementation of his theory has had a profound impact on the treatment of a wide array of diseases such as diabetes, cancers, chronic fatigue syndrome, obesity, urinary calculi, and more. " SOURCE: http://www.healingyourspirit.com/articles/new-hope-for-chronic-fatigue.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think the point is that these are not experimental topics and while important or sometimes critical - these basic subjects are assumed to be understood and can be learned alone or through any of the many support groups online. As the only Experimental " medical info " only boards, the topics here are hoped to be more cutting edge research topcs with PubMed references as applicable. Thanks, Marti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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