Guest guest Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Hi EveryOne, Dr Enlander is offering LDN for sale on his new website http://www.enlander.com/#!products It is 30 capsules for $20 plus shipping Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I was thankfully able to get a prescription from my neurologist, who also addresses pain management and fibro. That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it again. I so wish it had worked!!! Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Marie, What was the dosage that you tried? The " standard " 4.5 mg is way too much for a lot of people. Ellen Re: LDN Source I was thankfully able to get a prescription from my neurologist, who also addresses pain management and fibro. That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it again. I so wish it had worked!!! Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote: > That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it > again. I so wish it had worked!!! Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives, there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN. You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something to consider. I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play around with casually ... even in low dose. Just sayin'. Jeri <teewinot13@...> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: TenthParadigmSociety @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: http://www.thetenthparadigm.org @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians MCS-Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Jeri, This is kind of a dumb question, but is there some way to know whether you're allergic to morphine derivatives if you've never used any before, before trying LDN? Thanks, Ellen Re: Re: LDN Source On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote: > That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it > again. I so wish it had worked!!! Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives, there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN. You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something to consider. I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play around with casually ... even in low dose. Just sayin'. Jeri <teewinot13@...> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: TenthParadigmSociety @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: http://www.thetenthparadigm.org @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians MCS-Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive! What is low-dose naltrexone and why is it important? & gt; Low-dose naltrexone holds great promise for the millions of people worldwide with autoimmune diseases or central nervous system disorders or who face a deadly cancer. & gt; In the developing world, LDN could provide the first low-cost, easy to administer, and side-effect-free therapy for HIV/AIDS.Naltrexone itself was approved by the FDA in 1984 in a 50mg dose for the purpose of helping heroin or opium addicts, by blocking the effect of such drugs. By blocking opioid receptors, naltrexone also blocks the reception of the opioid hormones that our brain and adrenal glands produce: beta-endorphin and metenkephalin. Many body tissues have receptors for these endorphins and enkephalins, including virtually every cell of the body's immune system.  In 1985, Bernard Bihari, MD, a physician with a clinical practice in New York City, discovered the effects of a much smaller dose of naltrexone (approximately 3mg once a day) on the body's immune system. He found that this low dose, taken at bedtime, was able to enhance a patient's response to infection by HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. [Note: Subsequently, the optimal adult dosage of LDN has been found to be 4.5mg.] In the mid-1990's, Dr. Bihari found that patients in his practice with cancer (such as lymphoma or pancreatic cancer) could benefit, in some cases dramatically, from LDN. In addition, people who had an autoimmune disease (such as lupus) often showed prompt control of disease activity while taking LDN.  Nola Chris  Re: Re: LDN Source  On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote: & gt; That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it & gt; again. I so wish it had worked!!! Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives, there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN. You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something to consider. I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play around with casually ... even in low dose. Just sayin'. Jeri & lt;teewinot13@... & gt; @ & gt;--- & gt;---- & gt;------------------- & lt;---- & lt;--- & lt;@ Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: TenthParadigmSociety @ & gt;---------- & lt;---------- & gt;----------------------- & lt;---------- & lt;------\ ---- & lt;@ The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: http://www.thetenthparadigm.org @ & gt;---------- & lt;---------- & gt;----------------------- & lt;---------- & lt;------\ ---- & lt;@ MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians MCS-Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Hi Ellen, > This is kind of a dumb question, but is there some way to know whether you're allergic to morphine derivatives if you've never used any before, before trying LDN? There are no dumb questions! :-) The only way an allergy develops is through exposure to a substance. If you've never been exposed, you can't be allergic. However, a person *can* become allergic after a *single* exposure. Like no reaction to a first bee sting, and then an anaphylactic reaction to a second one. I had an allergic reaction to codeine (morphine derivative) after a third time using it. I become spotted like I had measles, itched, and had a bit of trouble breathing. So, I was forbidden to ever use any form of morphine again. For heavy duty pain, they give me Demerol (a synthetic narcotic). Like any allergy, there's no way to know when you'll become allergic to something, or even *if* you will. I didn't become allergic to chocolate until I was 36 years old. I'd been eating it since I was a baby. Hope this helps. Jeri <teewinot13@...> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: TenthParadigmSociety @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: http://www.thetenthparadigm.org @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians MCS-Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 On 6/20/2012 2:50 PM, smalk50@... wrote: > Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive! Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*. Jeri <teewinot13@...> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: TenthParadigmSociety @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: http://www.thetenthparadigm.org @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians MCS-Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Naltrexone is not a morphine derivative, HOWEVER at least one manufacturing process utilizes noroxymorphone (oxymorphone (Opana) analog) in the synthesis of naltrexone. Source: Method for the Manufacturing of Naltrexone bit.ly/NbnnNM Steve M in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hi EveryOne, OK, I just looked it up and Naltrexone is indeed the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE* and Oxymorphone is an opiate (narcotic) drug. However, Naltrexone is an opiate antagonist which means it blocks opiate receptors. That, as I understand it, is why it works, it blocks the receptors for a few hours causing the body to compensate by producing more endorphins which lower the production of cytokines, inflammation and increased endorphins helps the immune system... So what does this all mean for those of us taking small doses of it on a daily basis. I don't know, I am just learning all of this.....anyone? If what I wrote above is not correct please someone correct me. As I said, I am learning. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev > > > Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive! > > Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*. > > Jeri <teewinot13@...> > @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ > Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: > TenthParadigmSociety > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ > The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: > http://www.thetenthparadigm.org > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ > MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians > MCS-Florida > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Hi Bev and thanks for the info it would be interesting to see if there are medical papers evaluating LDN for CFS patients as it would be useful to be able to present a case to my doctor to prescribe it for me. Gordon UK Re: LDN Source Hi EveryOne, OK, I just looked it up and Naltrexone is indeed the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE* and Oxymorphone is an opiate (narcotic) drug. However, Naltrexone is an opiate antagonist which means it blocks opiate receptors. That, as I understand it, is why it works, it blocks the receptors for a few hours causing the body to compensate by producing more endorphins which lower the production of cytokines, inflammation and increased endorphins helps the immune system... So what does this all mean for those of us taking small doses of it on a daily basis. I don't know, I am just learning all of this.....anyone? If what I wrote above is not correct please someone correct me. As I said, I am learning. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev > > > Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive! > > Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*. > > Jeri <teewinot13@...> > @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@ > Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group: > TenthParadigmSociety > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ > The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.: > http://www.thetenthparadigm.org > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@ > MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians > MCS-Florida > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5084 - Release Date: 06/21/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Hi Gordon and EveryOne, There are few double blind research studies of LDN because it is now a generic and not much money can be made on it so pharma companies have no reason to spend millions studying it. I am reading a book called The Promise of Low Dose Naltrexone that goes into quite a bit of detail about the history and what has been done scientifically so far. It has show promise in CFS but most of the research was done on MS because the MS patients themselves paid for it! The low dose naltrexone website seems to be the place to get info and there are others as well. When I get a chance I will put together some URL's for LDN sites but anyone can just Google it. Best wishes for success in getting your LDN Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev > > Hi Bev and thanks for the info it would be interesting to see if there are medical papers evaluating LDN for CFS patients as it would be useful to be able to present a case to my doctor to prescribe it for me. > > Gordon > UK > > Re: LDN Source > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Hi I was surprised to find so little medical research had been carried out for LDN on CFS patients I did however find the following helpful so this might be useful for others approaching NHS doctors in the UK http://www.ldnresearchtrustfiles.co.uk/docs/LDN%20Information%20Pack(1).pdf Regards Gordon Re: LDN Source > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5088 - Release Date: 06/23/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Hi Gordon, The link you have given us does not work, can you give us the link again? Somehow it get broken in the way that you wrote it down for us. Mira No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5088 - Release Date: 06/23/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Hi Mira In such cases just copy and paste as a web address (re sending) I hope this works better for you http://www.ldnresearchtrustfiles.co.uk/docs/LDN%20Information%20Pack(1).pdf RE: Re: LDN Source Hi Gordon, The link you have given us does not work, can you give us the link again? Somehow it get broken in the way that you wrote it down for us. Mira No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5088 - Release Date: 06/23/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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