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I was thankfully able to get a prescription from my neurologist, who also

addresses pain management and fibro.

That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it

again. I so wish it had worked!!!

Marie

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Marie,

What was the dosage that you tried? The " standard " 4.5 mg is way too much for a

lot of people.

Ellen

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I was thankfully able to get a prescription from my neurologist, who also

addresses pain management and fibro.

That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it

again. I so wish it had worked!!!

Marie

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On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote:

> That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it

> again. I so wish it had worked!!!

Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative

of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives,

there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN.

You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something

to consider.

I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly

warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about

people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign

pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play

around with casually ... even in low dose.

Just sayin'.

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Jeri,

This is kind of a dumb question, but is there some way to know whether you're

allergic to morphine derivatives if you've never used any before, before trying

LDN?

Thanks,

Ellen

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On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote:

> That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it

> again. I so wish it had worked!!!

Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative

of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives,

there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN.

You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something

to consider.

I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly

warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about

people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign

pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play

around with casually ... even in low dose.

Just sayin'.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

@>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

TenthParadigmSociety

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians

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Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive!

What is low-dose naltrexone and why is it important? & gt; Low-dose naltrexone

holds great promise for the millions of people worldwide with autoimmune

diseases or central nervous system disorders or who face a deadly cancer. & gt; In

the developing world, LDN could provide the first low-cost, easy to administer,

and side-effect-free therapy for HIV/AIDS.Naltrexone itself was approved by the

FDA in 1984 in a 50mg dose for the purpose of helping heroin or opium addicts,

by blocking the effect of such drugs. By blocking opioid receptors, naltrexone

also blocks the reception of the opioid hormones that our brain and adrenal

glands produce: beta-endorphin and metenkephalin. Many body tissues have

receptors for these endorphins and enkephalins, including virtually every cell

of the body's immune system.

 

In 1985, Bernard Bihari, MD, a physician with a clinical practice in New York

City, discovered the effects of a much smaller dose of naltrexone (approximately

3mg once a day) on the body's immune system. He found that this low dose, taken

at bedtime, was able to enhance a patient's response to infection by HIV, the

virus that causes AIDS. [Note: Subsequently, the optimal adult dosage of LDN has

been found to be 4.5mg.]

In the mid-1990's, Dr. Bihari found that patients in his practice with cancer

(such as lymphoma or pancreatic cancer) could benefit, in some cases

dramatically, from LDN. In addition, people who had an autoimmune disease (such

as lupus) often showed prompt control of disease activity while taking LDN.

 

Nola Chris

 

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  On 6/19/2012 6:57 PM, Marie Harriman wrote:

& gt; That said, I had an awful reaction to it and can't imagine I'll ever try it

& gt; again. I so wish it had worked!!!

Something many people don't realize about LDN is that it is a derivative

of morphine. If you are allergic to morphine or any of its derivatives,

there's a good chance you'll be allergic to LDN.

You didn't mention what type of reaction you had, but this is something

to consider.

I wanted to try LDN, but due to my codeine allergy, I was strongly

warned not to take it. As an ex-medical professional, I worry about

people obtaining this drug without a prescription from a foreign

pharmacy without a doctor's supervision. Opioids are nothing to play

around with casually ... even in low dose.

Just sayin'.

Jeri & lt;teewinot13@... & gt;

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Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

TenthParadigmSociety

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---- & lt;@

The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

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Hi Ellen,

> This is kind of a dumb question, but is there some way to know whether you're

allergic to morphine derivatives if you've never used any before, before trying

LDN?

There are no dumb questions! :-) The only way an allergy develops is

through exposure to a substance. If you've never been exposed, you

can't be allergic. However, a person *can* become allergic after a

*single* exposure. Like no reaction to a first bee sting, and then an

anaphylactic reaction to a second one.

I had an allergic reaction to codeine (morphine derivative) after a

third time using it. I become spotted like I had measles, itched, and

had a bit of trouble breathing. So, I was forbidden to ever use any

form of morphine again. For heavy duty pain, they give me Demerol (a

synthetic narcotic).

Like any allergy, there's no way to know when you'll become allergic to

something, or even *if* you will. I didn't become allergic to chocolate

until I was 36 years old. I'd been eating it since I was a baby.

Hope this helps.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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TenthParadigmSociety

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The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

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On 6/20/2012 2:50 PM, smalk50@... wrote:

> Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive!

Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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TenthParadigmSociety

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

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Naltrexone is not a morphine derivative, HOWEVER at least one manufacturing

process utilizes noroxymorphone (oxymorphone (Opana) analog) in the

synthesis of naltrexone.

Source: Method for the Manufacturing of Naltrexone

bit.ly/NbnnNM

Steve M in PA

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Hi EveryOne,

OK, I just looked it up and Naltrexone is indeed the N-cyclopropylmethyl

derivative of *OXYMORPHONE* and Oxymorphone is an opiate (narcotic) drug.

However, Naltrexone is an opiate antagonist which means it blocks opiate

receptors. That, as I understand it, is why it works, it blocks the receptors

for a few hours causing the body to compensate by producing more endorphins

which lower the production of cytokines, inflammation and increased endorphins

helps the immune system...

So what does this all mean for those of us taking small doses of it on a daily

basis.

I don't know, I am just learning all of this.....anyone? If what I wrote above

is not correct please someone correct me. As I said, I am learning.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> > Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive!

>

> Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*.

>

> Jeri <teewinot13@...>

> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

> Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

> TenthParadigmSociety

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

> The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

> http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

> MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians

> MCS-Florida

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Hi Bev and thanks for the info it would be interesting to see if there are

medical papers evaluating LDN for CFS patients as it would be useful to be able

to present a case to my doctor to prescribe it for me.

Gordon

UK

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Hi EveryOne,

OK, I just looked it up and Naltrexone is indeed the N-cyclopropylmethyl

derivative of *OXYMORPHONE* and Oxymorphone is an opiate (narcotic) drug.

However, Naltrexone is an opiate antagonist which means it blocks opiate

receptors. That, as I understand it, is why it works, it blocks the receptors

for a few hours causing the body to compensate by producing more endorphins

which lower the production of cytokines, inflammation and increased endorphins

helps the immune system...

So what does this all mean for those of us taking small doses of it on a daily

basis.

I don't know, I am just learning all of this.....anyone? If what I wrote above

is not correct please someone correct me. As I said, I am learning.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> > Wrong wrong wrong - it is not a morphine deriviarive!

>

> Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of *OXYMORPHONE*.

>

> Jeri <teewinot13@...>

> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

> Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

> TenthParadigmSociety

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

> The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

> http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

> MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians

> MCS-Florida

>

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Hi Gordon and EveryOne,

There are few double blind research studies of LDN because it is now a generic

and not much money can be made on it so pharma companies have no reason to spend

millions studying it.

I am reading a book called The Promise of Low Dose Naltrexone that goes into

quite a bit of detail about the history and what has been done scientifically so

far. It has show promise in CFS but most of the research was done on MS because

the MS patients themselves paid for it!

The low dose naltrexone website seems to be the place to get info and there are

others as well. When I get a chance I will put together some URL's for LDN

sites but anyone can just Google it.

Best wishes for success in getting your LDN

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> Hi Bev and thanks for the info it would be interesting to see if there are

medical papers evaluating LDN for CFS patients as it would be useful to be able

to present a case to my doctor to prescribe it for me.

>

> Gordon

> UK

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Hi I was surprised to find so little medical research had been carried out for

LDN on CFS patients I did however find the following helpful so this might be

useful for others approaching NHS doctors in the UK

http://www.ldnresearchtrustfiles.co.uk/docs/LDN%20Information%20Pack(1).pdf

Regards

Gordon

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Hi Gordon,

The link you have given us does not work, can you give us the link again?

Somehow it get broken in the way that you wrote it down for us.

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Hi Mira In such cases just copy and paste as a web address (re sending)

I hope this works better for you

http://www.ldnresearchtrustfiles.co.uk/docs/LDN%20Information%20Pack(1).pdf

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Hi Gordon,

The link you have given us does not work, can you give us the link again?

Somehow it get broken in the way that you wrote it down for us.

Mira

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