Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Post # 7 Re: Okay, My Declaration is now a Legal, Public Doc Posted by _Sharon_ (http://counsel.net/cgi-bin/chatscripts/mailform.cgi?uid=kfc1955 & dmn=sgd.uge & nam\ e=Sharon & subject=Re:+Okay,+My+Declaration+is+now+a+Legal, +Public+Doc) on 7/09/05 Good Morning All, Haynes vs. Adair Homes, Case No. CCV0211573, Testimony of Bruce J Kelman (K), February 18, 2005. Attorney for the Haynes, Mr. Vance(V)Page 45, Line 12 V: Thank you. And, you mentioned -- -- what I have heard (whenever one sees >>>> that means the post got cut off, or hijacked to another post) >>>> is " a lot " but I do not really know. >>>> >>>> Read the doctor's statement for yourself at: >>>> >>>> http://www.ehw.org/Healthy_House/HH_Toxic_Mold.htm >>>> Post # 8 Re: Okay, My Declaration is now a Legal, Public Doc Posted by _Sharon_ (http://counsel.net/cgi-bin/chatscripts/mailform.cgi?uid=kfc1955 & dmn=sgd.uge & nam\ e=Sharon & subject=Re:+Okay,+My+Declaration+is+now+a+Legal, +Public+Doc) on 7/09/05 Hey , Don't know anything about Title 31. I just want them to stop killing people for money's sake.My last post got cut off. Will try again. Haynes vs. Adair Homes, Case No. CCV0211573. Testimony Bruce J. Kelman (K) Mr. Vance is the Haynes' family attorney. (V) Pg.45, Line 12 V: Thank you. And, you mentioned-- -- what I have heard (there it is again!) >>>>> is " a lot " but I do not really know. >>>>> >>>>> Read the doctor's statement for yourself at: >>>>> >>>>> _http://www.ehw.org/Healthy_House/HH_Toxic_Mold.htm_ (http://www.ehw.org/Healthy_House/HH_Toxic_Mold.htm) ******************************************************************Post # 9 Re: Okay, My Declaration is now a Legal, Public Doc Posted by _Sharon _ (http://counsel.net/cgi-bin/chatscripts/mailform.cgi?uid=kfc1955 & dmn=sgd.uge & nam\ e=Sharon+ & subject=Re:+Okay,+My+Declaration+is+now+a+Lega l,+Public+Doc) on 7/09/05 http://www.ehw.org/Healthy_House/HH_Toxic_Mold.htm Sickening. Posts hyjacked to prior site. Dearborn/CDC/Congressional Mold Work Group. Orwell, 1984. ****************************************************************** Post # 10 On 7/09/05, Sharon wrote: > Well aparently I am being edited and am no longer free to quote from a public, > legal document of this board. Go figure! > Sharon Post # 11 Post: Hmmmmm..... Posted by D on 7/09/05 Hey , Don't know anything about Title 31. I just want them to stop killing people in order to save money. My last post got cut off. Will try again. Haynes vs. Adair Homes, Case No. CCV0211573. Testimony Bruce J. Kelman (K) Mr. Vance is the Haynes' family attorney. (V) Pg.45, Line 12 V: Thank you. And, you mentioned--what was it the American Congress of Occupational and Environmental Medicine? K: No. It's the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. V: American College. Now, this isn't a university, is it? K: No. This is a professional college. V: Well, it;s more of a trade association, isn't it? It's a group, it's an association of doctors and people that study certain things? K: No. Actually, it's a learned body. So, calling it a trade association is ridiculous. V: Well, I just went to the website and they call themselves an association. And, that' why--and you can go to their website and you can look them up and you can see (inaudible) there an association, correct? K: Well, they are an association. There's lots of different associations. V: Well, I understand that, but I'm talking about this particular college. It's not a university--. K: You used the word trade association. It's not a trade association. V: --it's not a university and it's not an educational institution. It's more of a group of people. K: It's certainly a learned body, yes. V: Well, and I'm not arguing with you, sir. I'm just saying it's a group of people rather than an educational institution... From my Declaration: 39. ...Research showed that a Seminar was given in May of 2002, a full five months prior to the ACOEM Board of Directors' acceptance of the ACOEM Statement that established the medical policy-writing body's position on illnesses caused by mold in an indoor environment... 40. This Atlantic Legal Foundation paper documents some of those who are nationally known expert defense witnesses, presenting at the seminar on the subject together. The Seminar was sponsored by ICTM, International Center for Toxicology and Medicine. Dr. Ron Gots (Gots) is the principal in ICTM. It was a small group of presenters, some of whom were Dr. Bardana, (Bardana; Dr. Lees-Haley (Lees- Haley); Gots and GlobalTox principals, Kelman and Robbins. 41. Background information regarding some of Kelman's co- presenters, attached hereto as Exhibit 24 is evidence of Gots being investigated by Dateline NBC for insurance injury claim denials. Attached as Exhibit 25 is a true and correct copy of a newspaper article from a case in Oregon regarding denial of mold related worker's comp claims of teachers and centering on the involvement of Bardana. Attached as Exhibit 26 is a true and correct copy of a published, peer reviewed abstract denouncing Lees-Haley's system of diagnosing malingerers as unscientifically skewed toward a finding of malingering. Also attached as Exhibit 27 is a true and correct copy of an email from ACOEM member, Gots, strongly praising the ACOEM Statement. 45. Within the ACOEM Statement's background information is another email authored by Borak, a true and correct copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit 29. The email was sent September 6, 2002. The recipients were Dean Grove, Past President of the ACOEM, Barry Eisenberg, Executive Director, ACOEM, Tim Key, Current President of the ACOEM and Bernacki, Past President of the ACOEM. nne Dreger is the Communications Director of the ACOEM. 46. In the above referenced email, Borak stated, " I have received several sets of comments that find the current version, much revised, to still be a defense argument. On the other hand, Hardin and his colleauges are not willing to further dilute the paper. " He goes on to say, " I do not want this to go to the BOD and then be rejected. That would be an important violation of - I have assured him that if we do not use it he can freely make whatever other use he might want to make. " Borak wrote, " If we 'officially' reject it, then we turn his efforts into garbage. " 47. This email demonstrates that it was understood by those in the inner circle of decision makers of the ACOEM that the conclusion to " not officially reject " an admittedly biased defense paper would have future value to the principals of GlobalTox by providing legitimacy to their defense argument. Borak's above refenced sentences illustrate this future value for the principals of GlobalTox was given consideration in the purported " unbiased " decision to accept the document as the ACOEM Statement. 48. By referencing the ACOEM Statement as a " defense argument " , with biased consideration being given to it's known expert defense witness authors, indicates that the inner circle of the ACOEM was well aware that the future value of legitimizing this work would be it's use in the Courts to win lawsuits against families, office workers, teachers and children who have been made sick after an excessive exposure to mold. 51. In the Haynes case, Kelman describes a peer review process as, " ..Peer review means that the person who reviewed the article has no relationship to the person who wrote it. The person who wrote it doesn't know whose doing the reviewing. That's really important, because otherwise the reviewers don't feel free to severely criticize the article. I mean, I'm not gonna criticize my friend's article, particularly if I know that he knows that I review it... " 54...Attached as Exhibit 35 is a true and correct copy of an email authored by Swift (Swift) and sent on October 4, 2002. Swift asked the question of Borak, " I'm giving a talk to a group of insurance related clients. Is it quotable and if so, how should I reference it? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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