Re: Dr. Schaller HLA option/ MCS

[Guest guest]

> Sounds high suspicion. MCS is serious collection of symptoms c/w

mycotoxins. Mycotoxins make some massively sensitive to many things.

Low MSH may add to that miserable experience.

> HLA is very useful. Not borderline.

> Dr. Schaller

I suspect that prior to total ACTH depletion and " Hitting the Wall " ,

the sense of mycotoxin response is so vague and generalized that no

particular association to mold is made - just to various chemicals.

Once the cytokine event horizon is past - only then the does the

individual becomes hypersensitized and can then point out the

specific mycotoxin trigger.

One of my favorite stories comes from when I was accompanying

someone who was inspecting a house and when we got to an area where

I felt " mold hits " , she said that her chemical sensitivities were

acting up and this indicated the presence of Formaldehyde offgassing

from the wood sheathing.

Not to be argumentative, but this seemed a little odd that she was

implicating Formaldehyde in the one spot that I perceived mold so I

asked " The entire house is walled with the identical type of

construction. Why would this area which has obvious signs of water

damage and mold growth be the only area which is offgassing

Formaldehyde and not the rest of the house? "

She replied " I don't know. Perhaps the water damage releases the

toxins. I have no explanation for why it would just be offgassing

in only this location " .

I then asked " Have you considered that this might be a response to

mold instead? "

She responded " Yes. That was my first thought, but I asked my doctor

about it and he told me that this was impossible " .

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[Guest guest]

,

Both of you are correct. Mold was present and mold caused the

degredation of the panel board and the subsequent release of

formaldehyde. Mold can cause the release of industrial VOCs from

building materials (and carpet too - EPA Waterside Buidling in

Washington DC).

The Mycotoxin Chapter in the ACGIH book, Bioaerosols: Assessment and

Control (1999 - Janet Macher) covers this in very good detail. I

have seen this myself in Southern land.

I still agree with you that MCS is really a toxin metabolism issue

that is often misdiagnosed. Remove the mold/bacteria and particles

from the air/sufaces and the MCS complaints vanish over time as the

body heals/metabolizes. It is hard for people who suffer to trust

anyone or anything until they are healed which is the problem

(psychological). One they believe and act, they are no longer

people who suffer(most of the time).

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

aeribioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington VA 22202

gw@...

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>

> > Sounds high suspicion. MCS is serious collection of symptoms

c/w

> mycotoxins. Mycotoxins make some massively sensitive to many

things.

> Low MSH may add to that miserable experience.

> > HLA is very useful. Not borderline.

> > Dr. Schaller

>

> I suspect that prior to total ACTH depletion and " Hitting the

Wall " ,

> the sense of mycotoxin response is so vague and generalized that

no

> particular association to mold is made - just to various chemicals.

> Once the cytokine event horizon is past - only then the does the

> individual becomes hypersensitized and can then point out the

> specific mycotoxin trigger.

>

> One of my favorite stories comes from when I was accompanying

> someone who was inspecting a house and when we got to an area

where

> I felt " mold hits " , she said that her chemical sensitivities were

> acting up and this indicated the presence of Formaldehyde

offgassing

> from the wood sheathing.

> Not to be argumentative, but this seemed a little odd that she was

> implicating Formaldehyde in the one spot that I perceived mold so

I

> asked " The entire house is walled with the identical type of

> construction. Why would this area which has obvious signs of

water

> damage and mold growth be the only area which is offgassing

> Formaldehyde and not the rest of the house? "

> She replied " I don't know. Perhaps the water damage releases the

> toxins. I have no explanation for why it would just be offgassing

> in only this location " .

> I then asked " Have you considered that this might be a response to

> mold instead? "

> She responded " Yes. That was my first thought, but I asked my

doctor

> about it and he told me that this was impossible " .

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[Guest guest]

" Greg Weatherman " wrote:

> Both of you are correct. Mold was present and mold caused the

> degredation of the panel board and the subsequent release of

> formaldehyde. Mold can cause the release of industrial VOCs from

> building materials (and carpet too - EPA Waterside Buidling in

> Washington DC).

Thanks. I read that this was the case, but being so mistrustful of

official research sources, I simply tested myself against various

sources of formaldehyde.

Had no effect on me similar to that of moldy panelling.

I didn't get that " formaldehyde " responder to do a similar test, but

I've since found other people who claimed they were responding to

formaldehyde but strangely failed to complain in areas like the

plywood section of Home Depot which reeks with the stuff, which makes

me suspect that the mycotoxins were the slightly more bothersome part

of the equation.

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[Guest guest]

> > Both of you are correct. Mold was present and mold caused the

> > degredation of the panel board and the subsequent release of

> > formaldehyde. Mold can cause the release of industrial VOCs

from

> > building materials (and carpet too - EPA Waterside Buidling in

> > Washington DC).

>

> Thanks. I read that this was the case, but being so mistrustful of

> official research sources, I simply tested myself against various

> sources of formaldehyde.

> Had no effect on me similar to that of moldy panelling.

>

> I didn't get that " formaldehyde " responder to do a similar test,

but

> I've since found other people who claimed they were responding to

> formaldehyde but strangely failed to complain in areas like the

> plywood section of Home Depot which reeks with the stuff, which

makes

> me suspect that the mycotoxins were the slightly more bothersome

part

> of the equation.

> -

[Guest guest]

,

I'm saying you responded to the mold and the other responded to the

mold/formaldehyde. The other areas of the home were not impacted so

there was no mold or formaldehyde to cause a reaction.

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington VA 22202

gw@...

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> > Both of you are correct. Mold was present and mold caused the

> > degredation of the panel board and the subsequent release of

> > formaldehyde. Mold can cause the release of industrial VOCs

from

> > building materials (and carpet too - EPA Waterside Buidling in

> > Washington DC).

>

> Thanks. I read that this was the case, but being so mistrustful of

> official research sources, I simply tested myself against various

> sources of formaldehyde.

> Had no effect on me similar to that of moldy panelling.

>

> I didn't get that " formaldehyde " responder to do a similar test,

but

> I've since found other people who claimed they were responding to

> formaldehyde but strangely failed to complain in areas like the

> plywood section of Home Depot which reeks with the stuff, which

makes

> me suspect that the mycotoxins were the slightly more bothersome

part

> of the equation.

> -

[Guest guest]

" Greg Weatherman " wrote:

> ,

> I'm saying you responded to the mold and the other responded to

the mold/formaldehyde. The other areas of the home were not

impacted so there was no mold or formaldehyde to cause a reaction.<

Possibly. Unless I sneak up on that person with some formaldehyde,

I can't be certain about differentiating the exposures.

It would have been a good thing to know, both for her and for me.

However this person suspected herself to be a mold responder and

only dismissed the concept in favor of a speculative formaldehyde

because the doctor convinced her that mold could not be a factor.

Also, this is a person whose " real estate friends " used to test

homes for their own investment - not for the benefit of their

clients.

But she said " I had to stop doing it for them, since I would remain

ill for several days afterward and I just couldn't take it anymore " .

I find this type of extended illness from momentary exposure to be

very typical of mold exposure. Especially if they are unskilled at

decontamination.

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