Vinegar, It's not just for salads.

[Guest guest]

It may be useful to some of our new members to try white vinegar for

various ailments, washing, etc.

White vinegar (please do not use, apple cider, red wine vinegar) can

be used to wash clothes in. It is less harmful to the material than

many of the products out there and does seem to help reduce the

problems with clothes contamination. Alot of us use borax or Arm &

Hammer detergent for our laundry, at the same time throw a cup of

white vinegar in, if possible on the final rinse. I'm not sure why

this isn't discussed more by the professionals that have informed me

of this. Do a search on the use of white vinegar.

The use of vinegar had been mentioned to me several years ago by two

professionals on some of its cababilities, so I deceided to start my

own experiments outside. It was cheap and easy to obtain, so I

figured, what the heck, it can't hurt.

I sprayed it on all forms of growth on trees, such as mold, mildew,

algae, etc., or whatever it was. Also on alot of rotting debry and

places that always seemed to be prone to some form of live growth. I

did this two years ago and I have just noticed now that some of the

growth (of whatever) is now just starting to return. So after

further research on medical uses I took it a step farther.

I have used it on different forms of rashes/skin ailments on myself

(legs, hands, arms, etc.)and it healed them almost immediately

(within a couple of days.)Callus's on my hands that always seemed to

split open in the winter time, that would become very sore and

sensitive. My remedy at that time was keeping them coated with

vasaline. Some times for several months. If I was lucky it would

heal. I started using white vinegar and I was completely amazed

after a couple of times of dipping my hands in it, it healed itself

within about a week and has not returned. This told me that is may

be fungal related, but white vinegar is also good for bacterial

infections.

I have also found out (like many of us) ear infections/swimmers ear

a high percentage of the time is caused by aspergillus niger. This

is why most antibodics or steroids take so long to work, if they

work at all. My nephew was prone to ear infections, over several

years making visits to the doctors, the next step was tubes in the

ear. We also found out he had a problem with a some deep ear wax

(that not even the doctors had seen.) One treatment of the white

vinegar (and I put it in myself. And of course of 3 year old won't

stay still for too long.) Which goes to show you how long the

vinegar stayed in his ear. Seconds. The next two days my sister-in-

law contacted me and could not believe what was happening. It had

balled up the ear wax pushing it to the opening to where she could

clean it out and it got rid of the ear infection again within

several days. She now uses it as a preventative once a month and he

has not experienced another ear infection since.

I've also used this on my six month old granddaughter for ear

infections from birth. Go figure. Again the antibodics and drops

were not working. Great, let's destroy the immune system before it

gets started. Grrrr. Again I used the white vinegar, with great

results.

I am not a doctor, just a very outspoken advocate, letting you know

what has worked for me. I have had great results reported to me from

other people that have used it for toenail/finger nail infections,

some psorasis and exzema, dandruff (which I have used it for) and my

daughter has used it for skin ailments that the doctors could not

put a name to it. It worked. One of my sisters used it for a form of

athletes foot and it worked. Boy, I wish I knew that a couple of

years ago, that almost put me in the hospital for several weeks. I

tried everything but white vinger, now I know better and spray it in

my boots.(Just a lite coating, don't saturate)

This could be an easy remedy for many things that will not burn a

whole in your pocket. If it works great, if it doesn't, what have

you lost, perhaps $3.00. I will put one article below.

Take care. Good health to all,

KC

http://www.vinegarman.com/VinegarAndHealth.html

Vinegar and Health

Excerpted From

" Vinegar "

by

Lawrence J. Diggs

Vinegar's use as a medicine goes back to ancient times. Due to its

antimicrobial properties, (it kills or retards the growth of

microorganisms), it has been used as an antibiotic for the dressing

of wounds as well as other uses. Throughout those years, vinegar has

been suggested as a cure or ingredient in a cure for most human and

many animal ailments. While many of those claims have withstood the

test of time and scientific scrutiny, some have proved to be

baseless, even ridiculous. One proponent of vinegar as a cure of

yellow fever died of yellow fever.

It is not the intent of this chapter to suggest using vinegar in

place of seeking competent medical advice. However, you will

discover in this chapter that renowned physicians have recommended

vinegar for a wide variety of ailments for many centuries.

In an article titled " Vinegar: Building Block for the Body, " various

scientists reported their findings on vinegars role in human

metabolism. This article pointed out that as a result extensive

scientific study, vinegar was shown to be an extremely valuable

constituent in the body's biochemical operations. The article

pointed out that vinegar is an essential building block in the

construction of many complex substances in the body. This research

was carried out in four different universities.

One study used tagged atoms to trace the path of vinegar through the

tissues and cells, allowing the scientist to discover how the body

uses it. It was found that acetic acid, the principal constituent in

vinegar, played an important role in the release of energy from fats

and carbohydrates. Vinegar also participated in the development of

fats, glucose, amino acids and hemoglobin (the red pigment in the

blood that supplies the body with oxygen). These reports were

delivered in a meeting of the American Chemical Society.

Dr. Konrad F. Block of the department of biochemistry in the College

of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, said, " Acetic

acid (vinegar) has only recently been recognized to be of primary

importance in the bodys' metabolism. He added, " Normally, part of it

is carried by the blood into the kidney and muscle and undergoes

complete oxidation with the release of energy. Some is retained and

utilized as a source of carbon atoms for the synthesis of a variety

of tissue constituents. "

Dr. F. Lipman of the Biochemical Research Laboratory of

Massachusetts General Hospital reported that " when foreign

substances such as drugs are introduced into the body, acetic acid

frequently reacts by trying to detoxify them. It unites the toxic

substances with other molecules to produce a new compound. The

combination of sulfanomides with acetate forms a compound that is

biologically inactive and more easily excreted. "

In the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Irving L.

Ochs of polis land reported on the use of vinegar to treat

external otitis, a severe form of ear infection. He said

that " acetic acid acts specifically as a bacteriacidal agent against

B. pyocyaneus . It is frequently used as a wet dressing to over come

infections in contaminated surgical wounds, burns, and granulating

osteomeylitic wounds due to this organism. A solution containing 1

to 2 percent acetic acid clears the malodorous green discharge in a

few hours. There is no apparent damage to the tissue with this

treatment. "

He also cited an article by Dr. C. R. Owen133 in which Dr. Owen

demonstrated the bacteriacidal properties of acetic acid against

gram-negative bacteria. Owen found that .1 cc of 10 percent acetic

acid in a media of 15 cc of a beef heart broth will completely

inhibit the growth of gram negative bacilli. However, Streptococci

and Staphylococci will continue to grow. He pointed out that this

was the result of acetic acid and not just acid alone, since

hydrochloric acid and sulphuric acid did not give the same results.

Dr. Ochs devised a technique which was essentially to clean the ear

using hydrogen peroxide to loosen any debris and discharges. After

the ear is cleaned, it is stuffed with cotton and saturated with

household vinegar of 5 percent strength. The patient keeps this ear

plug saturated with vinegar and an aluminum acetate solution. After

48 hours, the patient returns and the wick is removed. If there is

still pain and swelling, the patient continues the treatment for

another 48 hours. If the condition is chronic, it may require a week

or more before the skin returns to normal.

He presented the following case as representative of his findings.

A 40-year-old man had had a discharging ear for five years. He had

been treated with dyes, silver nitrate, sulfanomide drugs, rotegen

rays and physiotherapy without any success. Within hours of the use

of the acetic acid tampon, the discharge stopped completely. The

swelling of the canal was reduced enough to permit adequate

cleaning. The wet dressing and cleaning regimen was continued until

there was an absence of swelling. The patient was told to apply an

ointment that kept his ear dry, smooth, open and relatively free of

itching.

Och concluded that this technique using vinegar is an effective,

available and inexpensive way to control external otitus. This

treatment is now standard for this disease when it is caused by

Pseudomonas, Candida, or Aspergillus.

The modern medical profession has found that 5 percent

concentrations of acetic acid is lethal to many microorganisms.

Lower concentrations have also been found to be quite effective in

medical treatment. In 1 percent solutions, it is used

prophylactically in surgical dressings, and a .25 percent solution

is used in catheterization and irrigation of the bladder. Vaginal

infections caused by Candida and Trichomonas are treated with douche

solutions of 0.25 percent to 1 percent. These solutions are also

used as a spermatocide. Concentrations of 5 percent have been found

to be effective in treating extensive burns when there is a need to

suppress the growth of Pseudomonas aeruginosa. These solutions are

sometimes irritating to the vagina and concentrations of more than 5

percent are sometimes irritating to the skin.

But the documentation of the effectiveness of vinegar as a

medication goes back as far as Hippocrates, who is often called the

father of modern medicine. He used vinegar in the treatment of a

number of illnesses. Oxymel, a medicine often prescribed, was a

combination of honey and vinegar. He instructed his students that

they would find the drink called oxymel very useful for promoting

expectoration and freedom of breathing. When strongly acid, the

oxymel helps to make coughing productive.

Hippocrates also prescribed oxymel for a chronically constipated

patient who has a fever. It was also recommended in the treatment

for peripneumonia and pleuritic affections.

Oxyglyky is decoction of honeycombs and vinegar. It was recommended

in the treatment of an acute separation of the heel.

Vinegar itself was recommended in the treatment for inflammations

and swellings, ulcers of various types and burns. In one remedy

Hippocrates detailed a vinegar preparation for cleaning ulcerations.

Vinegar compresses were also recommended in the treatment of sores.

Variations of the oxymel formula has found favor among physicians

right up through modern times. In the second century A.D., the great

physician Galen also prescribed the combination of honey and vinegar

for coughs. In 1703, B. Boyles, a fellow of the Royal Society of

London recommended it as a gargle. More recently Dr. D.C. Jarvis

also recommended it his book " Folk Medicines " for a wide variety of

ailments.

Use in Asia

The medicinal use of vinegar is not limited to western medical

practice. Vinegar is called the friend of Chinese herbs because it

is often used to process the herbal preparations. It is added to

enhance the desired effects and inhibit the the undesired effects.

It is thought to possess yin qualities and is used to arrest

bleeding, disperse blood coagulation and counteract toxic effects,

as well as a variety of other herbal cures.

Modern Chinese medicine also uses vinegar. The Hu Bei Yeecang

People's Hospital treated 51 cases of jaundice hepatitis with 10 ml.

of rice vinegar and two vitamin B-l tablets. All of the patients

recovered in four days and regained their appetites.

The Research Institute of Epidemic Diseases at the Chinese academy

of Medical Science conducted an experiment on the use of vinegar to

treat respiratory infections. They cultured 200 colonies of

microorganisms known to cause such diseases as pneumonia, influenza

and catarrh. Most of those bacteria were killed within 30 minutes in

an atmosphere of vaporized vinegar. This experiment may explain why

the workers in the vinegar division were the only ones spared when

an epidemic of influenza struck a food plant in China. Another

report from a Chinese food processing plant claims that an average

of 8 percent of their workers suffer respiratory infections per year

while only 1 percent of those who work in the vinegar section suffer

such illnesses. And the report say's that the workers in the vinegar

section suffer less when they are stricken.

There are also reports that Japan and India make medicinal use of

vinegar.

And there is more health information on vinegar!

[Guest guest]

If you have tubes in your ears I would not recommend it. I don't

know enough about the interaction of the two. In this case, I would

swab the ears with a Q-tip.

KC

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@n...>

wrote:

> It may be useful to some of our new members to try white vinegar

for

> various ailments, washing, etc.

>

> White vinegar (please do not use, apple cider, red wine vinegar)

can

> be used to wash clothes in. It is less harmful to the material

than

> many of the products out there and does seem to help reduce the

> problems with clothes contamination. Alot of us use borax or Arm &

> Hammer detergent for our laundry, at the same time throw a cup of

> white vinegar in, if possible on the final rinse. I'm not sure why

> this isn't discussed more by the professionals that have informed

me

> of this. Do a search on the use of white vinegar.

>

> The use of vinegar had been mentioned to me several years ago by

two

> professionals on some of its cababilities, so I deceided to start

my

> own experiments outside. It was cheap and easy to obtain, so I

> figured, what the heck, it can't hurt.

>

> I sprayed it on all forms of growth on trees, such as mold,

mildew,

> algae, etc., or whatever it was. Also on alot of rotting debry and

> places that always seemed to be prone to some form of live growth.

I

> did this two years ago and I have just noticed now that some of

the

> growth (of whatever) is now just starting to return. So after

> further research on medical uses I took it a step farther.

>

> I have used it on different forms of rashes/skin ailments on myself

> (legs, hands, arms, etc.)and it healed them almost immediately

> (within a couple of days.)Callus's on my hands that always seemed

to

> split open in the winter time, that would become very sore and

> sensitive. My remedy at that time was keeping them coated with

> vasaline. Some times for several months. If I was lucky it would

> heal. I started using white vinegar and I was completely amazed

> after a couple of times of dipping my hands in it, it healed

itself

> within about a week and has not returned. This told me that is may

> be fungal related, but white vinegar is also good for bacterial

> infections.

>

> I have also found out (like many of us) ear infections/swimmers

ear

> a high percentage of the time is caused by aspergillus niger. This

> is why most antibodics or steroids take so long to work, if they

> work at all. My nephew was prone to ear infections, over several

> years making visits to the doctors, the next step was tubes in the

> ear. We also found out he had a problem with a some deep ear wax

> (that not even the doctors had seen.) One treatment of the white

> vinegar (and I put it in myself. And of course of 3 year old won't

> stay still for too long.) Which goes to show you how long the

> vinegar stayed in his ear. Seconds. The next two days my sister-in-

> law contacted me and could not believe what was happening. It had

> balled up the ear wax pushing it to the opening to where she could

> clean it out and it got rid of the ear infection again within

> several days. She now uses it as a preventative once a month and

he

> has not experienced another ear infection since.

>

> I've also used this on my six month old granddaughter for ear

> infections from birth. Go figure. Again the antibodics and drops

> were not working. Great, let's destroy the immune system before it

> gets started. Grrrr. Again I used the white vinegar, with great

> results.

>

> I am not a doctor, just a very outspoken advocate, letting you

know

> what has worked for me. I have had great results reported to me

from

> other people that have used it for toenail/finger nail infections,

> some psorasis and exzema, dandruff (which I have used it for) and

my

> daughter has used it for skin ailments that the doctors could not

> put a name to it. It worked. One of my sisters used it for a form

of

> athletes foot and it worked. Boy, I wish I knew that a couple of

> years ago, that almost put me in the hospital for several weeks. I

> tried everything but white vinger, now I know better and spray it

in

> my boots.(Just a lite coating, don't saturate)

>

> This could be an easy remedy for many things that will not burn a

> whole in your pocket. If it works great, if it doesn't, what have

> you lost, perhaps $3.00. I will put one article below.

>

> Take care. Good health to all,

>

> KC

>

> http://www.vinegarman.com/VinegarAndHealth.html

>

> Vinegar and Health

> Excerpted From

> " Vinegar "

> by

> Lawrence J. Diggs

> Vinegar's use as a medicine goes back to ancient times. Due to its

> antimicrobial properties, (it kills or retards the growth of

> microorganisms), it has been used as an antibiotic for the

dressing

> of wounds as well as other uses. Throughout those years, vinegar

has

> been suggested as a cure or ingredient in a cure for most human

and

> many animal ailments. While many of those claims have withstood

the

> test of time and scientific scrutiny, some have proved to be

> baseless, even ridiculous. One proponent of vinegar as a cure of

> yellow fever died of yellow fever.

>

> It is not the intent of this chapter to suggest using vinegar in

> place of seeking competent medical advice. However, you will

> discover in this chapter that renowned physicians have recommended

> vinegar for a wide variety of ailments for many centuries.

>

> In an article titled " Vinegar: Building Block for the Body, "

various

> scientists reported their findings on vinegars role in human

> metabolism. This article pointed out that as a result extensive

> scientific study, vinegar was shown to be an extremely valuable

> constituent in the body's biochemical operations. The article

> pointed out that vinegar is an essential building block in the

> construction of many complex substances in the body. This research

> was carried out in four different universities.

>

> One study used tagged atoms to trace the path of vinegar through

the

> tissues and cells, allowing the scientist to discover how the body

> uses it. It was found that acetic acid, the principal constituent

in

> vinegar, played an important role in the release of energy from

fats

> and carbohydrates. Vinegar also participated in the development of

> fats, glucose, amino acids and hemoglobin (the red pigment in the

> blood that supplies the body with oxygen). These reports were

> delivered in a meeting of the American Chemical Society.

>

> Dr. Konrad F. Block of the department of biochemistry in the

College

> of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, said, " Acetic

> acid (vinegar) has only recently been recognized to be of primary

> importance in the bodys' metabolism. He added, " Normally, part of

it

> is carried by the blood into the kidney and muscle and undergoes

> complete oxidation with the release of energy. Some is retained

and

> utilized as a source of carbon atoms for the synthesis of a

variety

> of tissue constituents. "

>

> Dr. F. Lipman of the Biochemical Research Laboratory of

> Massachusetts General Hospital reported that " when foreign

> substances such as drugs are introduced into the body, acetic acid

> frequently reacts by trying to detoxify them. It unites the toxic

> substances with other molecules to produce a new compound. The

> combination of sulfanomides with acetate forms a compound that is

> biologically inactive and more easily excreted. "

>

> In the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Irving L.

> Ochs of polis land reported on the use of vinegar to treat

> external otitis, a severe form of ear infection. He said

> that " acetic acid acts specifically as a bacteriacidal agent

against

> B. pyocyaneus . It is frequently used as a wet dressing to over

come

> infections in contaminated surgical wounds, burns, and granulating

> osteomeylitic wounds due to this organism. A solution containing 1

> to 2 percent acetic acid clears the malodorous green discharge in

a

> few hours. There is no apparent damage to the tissue with this

> treatment. "

>

> He also cited an article by Dr. C. R. Owen133 in which Dr. Owen

> demonstrated the bacteriacidal properties of acetic acid against

> gram-negative bacteria. Owen found that .1 cc of 10 percent acetic

> acid in a media of 15 cc of a beef heart broth will completely

> inhibit the growth of gram negative bacilli. However, Streptococci

> and Staphylococci will continue to grow. He pointed out that this

> was the result of acetic acid and not just acid alone, since

> hydrochloric acid and sulphuric acid did not give the same

results.

>

> Dr. Ochs devised a technique which was essentially to clean the

ear

> using hydrogen peroxide to loosen any debris and discharges. After

> the ear is cleaned, it is stuffed with cotton and saturated with

> household vinegar of 5 percent strength. The patient keeps this

ear

> plug saturated with vinegar and an aluminum acetate solution.

After

> 48 hours, the patient returns and the wick is removed. If there is

> still pain and swelling, the patient continues the treatment for

> another 48 hours. If the condition is chronic, it may require a

week

> or more before the skin returns to normal.

>

> He presented the following case as representative of his findings.

>

> A 40-year-old man had had a discharging ear for five years. He had

> been treated with dyes, silver nitrate, sulfanomide drugs, rotegen

> rays and physiotherapy without any success. Within hours of the

use

> of the acetic acid tampon, the discharge stopped completely. The

> swelling of the canal was reduced enough to permit adequate

> cleaning. The wet dressing and cleaning regimen was continued

until

> there was an absence of swelling. The patient was told to apply an

> ointment that kept his ear dry, smooth, open and relatively free

of

> itching.

>

> Och concluded that this technique using vinegar is an effective,

> available and inexpensive way to control external otitus. This

> treatment is now standard for this disease when it is caused by

> Pseudomonas, Candida, or Aspergillus.

>

> The modern medical profession has found that 5 percent

> concentrations of acetic acid is lethal to many microorganisms.

> Lower concentrations have also been found to be quite effective in

> medical treatment. In 1 percent solutions, it is used

> prophylactically in surgical dressings, and a .25 percent solution

> is used in catheterization and irrigation of the bladder. Vaginal

> infections caused by Candida and Trichomonas are treated with

douche

> solutions of 0.25 percent to 1 percent. These solutions are also

> used as a spermatocide. Concentrations of 5 percent have been

found

> to be effective in treating extensive burns when there is a need

to

> suppress the growth of Pseudomonas aeruginosa. These solutions are

> sometimes irritating to the vagina and concentrations of more than

5

> percent are sometimes irritating to the skin.

>

> But the documentation of the effectiveness of vinegar as a

> medication goes back as far as Hippocrates, who is often called

the

> father of modern medicine. He used vinegar in the treatment of a

> number of illnesses. Oxymel, a medicine often prescribed, was a

> combination of honey and vinegar. He instructed his students that

> they would find the drink called oxymel very useful for promoting

> expectoration and freedom of breathing. When strongly acid, the

> oxymel helps to make coughing productive.

>

> Hippocrates also prescribed oxymel for a chronically constipated

> patient who has a fever. It was also recommended in the treatment

> for peripneumonia and pleuritic affections.

>

> Oxyglyky is decoction of honeycombs and vinegar. It was

recommended

> in the treatment of an acute separation of the heel.

>

> Vinegar itself was recommended in the treatment for inflammations

> and swellings, ulcers of various types and burns. In one remedy

> Hippocrates detailed a vinegar preparation for cleaning

ulcerations.

> Vinegar compresses were also recommended in the treatment of

sores.

>

> Variations of the oxymel formula has found favor among physicians

> right up through modern times. In the second century A.D., the

great

> physician Galen also prescribed the combination of honey and

vinegar

> for coughs. In 1703, B. Boyles, a fellow of the Royal Society of

> London recommended it as a gargle. More recently Dr. D.C. Jarvis

> also recommended it his book " Folk Medicines " for a wide variety

of

> ailments.

>

>

> Use in Asia

>

> The medicinal use of vinegar is not limited to western medical

> practice. Vinegar is called the friend of Chinese herbs because it

> is often used to process the herbal preparations. It is added to

> enhance the desired effects and inhibit the the undesired effects.

> It is thought to possess yin qualities and is used to arrest

> bleeding, disperse blood coagulation and counteract toxic effects,

> as well as a variety of other herbal cures.

>

> Modern Chinese medicine also uses vinegar. The Hu Bei Yeecang

> People's Hospital treated 51 cases of jaundice hepatitis with 10

ml.

> of rice vinegar and two vitamin B-l tablets. All of the patients

> recovered in four days and regained their appetites.

>

> The Research Institute of Epidemic Diseases at the Chinese academy

> of Medical Science conducted an experiment on the use of vinegar

to

> treat respiratory infections. They cultured 200 colonies of

> microorganisms known to cause such diseases as pneumonia,

influenza

> and catarrh. Most of those bacteria were killed within 30 minutes

in

> an atmosphere of vaporized vinegar. This experiment may explain

why

> the workers in the vinegar division were the only ones spared when

> an epidemic of influenza struck a food plant in China. Another

> report from a Chinese food processing plant claims that an average

> of 8 percent of their workers suffer respiratory infections per

year

> while only 1 percent of those who work in the vinegar section

suffer

> such illnesses. And the report say's that the workers in the

vinegar

> section suffer less when they are stricken.

>

> There are also reports that Japan and India make medicinal use of

> vinegar.

>

>

> And there is more health information on vinegar!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, KC. Vinegar is great. I mostly use tea tree oil in my final

rinse for washing clothes (a capful does it). I use vinegar to clean

drains and for many other cleaning chores. Keep a spray bottle full of

it along with a spray bottle of hydrogen peroxide 3% and spray your

cutting boards with both to keep them bacteria free.

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

---

[Guest guest]

I use vinegar, too, on the recommendation of a professional- my mom.

She taught me to use a regular detergent with no perfume, no dyes, for washing,

with

borax for extra cleaning power when needed. 2 rinses, then a cup of white

vinegar in the

final rinse. Some kids have reactions to soap, so the vinegar cuts that; but

some need the

pH of the clothes a little different, so then you can put it in the 2nd to last

rinse, or not at

all. I had to change it depending on how the kids were. They would get diaper

rashes, and

I had to fiddle with it, so to help them out.

This is also how my grandmother did the laundry, with some bleach when she felt

she

neede to whiten whites. I mean after washing machines came out. Before that she

used to

have to boil water over a wood fire in the backyard for washing....

Auntie (her aunt) told me dish soap was a waste of money- just use laundry

detergent, it is

all good at cleaning. I use dishsoap anyway, as it is easier on my hands. And

who knows

what they put in Arm & Hammer anyway, and what it would do to the hands. I guess

it

would be better than lye soap at any rate, which is what she made before

detergent came

out.

[Guest guest]

I've been using a shampoo with tea tree oil in it for years (Nioxin). If it

works on clothes, it should certainly work for hair as well.

I was surprised to see something here recently about eucalyptus oil - yowee!

One of the most aggravating allergens around. And something about mint, IIRC.

Both substances that make my sinuses threaten to leave me for a better home.

Serena

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