Re: obtaining cholestryamine or other binders

[Guest guest]

, hi.

Cholestryamine (CSM) is classified as an anion exchange resin. Such resins have

been used in various purification and detox protocols, both external and

internal to the body. In medicine and industry.

For example in Dietrick Klinghardt's neurotoxin elimination protocol, you can

see that he uses chlorella in exactly the same way as CSM is used in Shoemaker's

protocol. The cell wall in chlorella is again an ion exchange resin. That is

how the algae defends itself from toxins and heavy metals in its environment --

they bind to the cell wall and can't get inside the cell. When taken internally

30 minutes before a meal (same as CSM), that 30 minute lead time gives the

chlorella chance to move down to the bile release point in the gut, where the

toxins will then bind to it and not be reabsorbed.

I don't know the relative efficacy of CSM vs. chlorella, but Klinghardt

certainly has seen results in his work.

Another form of chlorella is NDF (nano detox factors), a special type of liquid

chlorella that can enter the blood stream and cross the blood brain barrier

easily. (The cell wall is broken up in extremely small pieces.) I've noticed

brain fog reduction by using NDF. In the case of NDF, the toxins are released

via the bladder, not the intestines -- so plenty of water is taken to flush out

quickly.

http://www.healthydetox.org/

Lastly, I just found this zeolite based detox searching for other ion exchange

resin detox protocols. Zeolite is widely used in animal feeds to bind to

mycotoxins / aflatoxins, etc. Results have been clearly shown. (Try some

google searches.) The form of zeolite here is clinoptilolite, a mineral with a

unique sieve like structure that binds to toxins:

http://www.zeohealth.com/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000621AA6/

Let's hear from others who have experience with binders such as CSM, zeolites,

chlorella/NDF, and their relative merits.

Regards,

--Bill

[Guest guest]

> Let's hear from others who have experience with binders such as

CSM, zeolites, chlorella/NDF, and their relative merits.

> --Bill

I saw other Incline Village CFS survivors take Chlorella for over a

decade and receive no significant benefit.

However, this is probably due to the little peculiarity that the

neurotoxins aren't unbound from the receptors unless the ion

gradient is altered by damping the inflammatory response.

The binders are wasted if the molecules aren't presented for binding.

All the people who attempted these detox protocols and failed had

this in common, they made no attempt to decrease exposure or

modulate immune response to allow the binders to have effect.

and I did exactly that - and look where we are!

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[Guest guest]

,

This is Sharon, (KC's wife) and a have a little problem with your

post. You seem to think that many choose to either stay in a

contaminated environment or that they don't care to follow the same

life style that you (and a couple of others) are living. Perhaps you

are still jaded by the many years of rejection from other victims,

family and/or friends. But, I have to say (and I will ONLY speak

from my own experience) that I am basically homebound, wear a mask

when I go out, so in my own way I am living as much of an avoidance

life as possible and yet I am now becoming sensitive the outdoors.

And yes, I have gotten hit by mold plumes, and if the truth be told,

there is no place that is 100% safe.

Many people can not run to the hills and live in the woods, they

have families that they have to take care of. It is much easier for

a single male to live that life style. Kindof hard for parents with

kids, especially if they are all ill.

Many are living the best they can, unlike some that claim one thing

and sponge off of family and friends for over a year and then claim

to be living a mold free life style in the woods. And no I am not

referring to you.

Each of us have to live life the best that we can and in whatever

situation we may find ourselves in. I'm glad what you have chosen is

working for you. Many are not so lucky.

Sharon

>

> > Let's hear from others who have experience with binders such as

> CSM, zeolites, chlorella/NDF, and their relative merits.

> > --Bill

>

>

>

> I saw other Incline Village CFS survivors take Chlorella for over

a

> decade and receive no significant benefit.

> However, this is probably due to the little peculiarity that the

> neurotoxins aren't unbound from the receptors unless the ion

> gradient is altered by damping the inflammatory response.

> The binders are wasted if the molecules aren't presented for

binding.

>

> All the people who attempted these detox protocols and failed had

> this in common, they made no attempt to decrease exposure or

> modulate immune response to allow the binders to have effect.

>

> and I did exactly that - and look where we are!

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Sharon, Yes, I am always a bit surprised when people who are

gradually losing ground and unable to stop the erosion of their

lives choose to stay on a path that is leading to a bad place.

But I do recognize that it is a valid choice and is a choice that

we are all free to make. That's why I don't generally tell people

what to do unless they ask me.

I simply tell them how the mold was affecting me and what I did

about it - if they see fit to try it, the choice is theirs.

I chose another way, and Yes, I am extremely lucky and have enjoyed

years of extraordinary adventures instead of agonizing pain by

adopting a more extreme approach.

My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

Kitty and I just got back from my annual Celebratory Mt Whitney

climb number Six since I made the choice to crawl out of Living Hell.

I am Happy, Happy, Happy to be doin what I'm doin.

Hope your choices work out well for you.

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[Guest guest]

,

Yes, we all do have choices and 100% of us on this board are trying

to make the best choices we know. No matter what the case or

situation. Of course, finances come into play, along with the rest

of the family.

Our house was tested by Dr. Lipsey along with my place of

work. Fortunately our house is what I would consider a safe house

for me (thank God.) Since I left my place of employment (5 yrs ago)

I have gotten better to a point. Some of the symptoms have

disappeared, (such as the strokelike episodes, pneumonia and I'm

sure you remember the assundry other symptoms) for the most part,

that is to say generally, unless I get nailed again and they hit

with a vengence.

Avoidance as we all know it is very critical, at all times, but also

nearly impossible. You yourself have mentioned getting " hits " and

setbacks. Perhaps not as severe as the original, but setbacks none

the less. So in my mind you aren't cure, you are considerably better

and perhaps in the long run on your way to a full recovery, but not

cured. Especially if your body has to keep fighting everytime it

gets nailed.

Perhaps you may have either forgotten or not thought of lately, but

everyone's chemistry makeup is different, along with their exposure

(s)amounts, what sex they are, age, hormones and yes even fat

(unfortunately women have 3 layers where men only have 2. Dang. lol)

All these things and more play a big part as far as their symptoms,

recovery, reaction to re-exposure. This is also why Dr.Shoemaker

treats each patient as a unique case and not all lumped together,

like so many doctors do.

What you are doing to help yourself is great. I'm so glad to hear

that it is working for you and that you are doing better. More power

to you. But I still have to say, what works for one may not work for

another. We all need to avoid these poisons, but for many who are

down to their last dime (and we all know someone in that boat, if

not ourselves) have no friends or family left to help (either

intensionally or unintensionally) they have to make do with what

they have for the time being. No one wants to remain sick, nor in an

environment that they know is making them sick, but some people just

don't have the means to make such a drastic change. Yes, I know

their life may depend on it,(so to speak) but when it is a whole

family it is exceedingly difficult and sometimes impossible.

Hopefully you understand this. Parents walk a fine line, stay where

they are and they can be threatened to have their children removed

because of " abuse " , leave and wind up in the woods sleeping in a

tent (or something close to it) and they still are threatened with

losing there children. Sometimes it's a no win situation. Made worse

if the entire family is ill. I can't speak for anyone else, but when

I'm not doing good the last thing I can do is think logically. I

think I am, but others looking at my decision can see it is way off

base and not even close to what I wanted it to be. But it seemed

fine to me at the time.

No hard feelings. As one " moldie " to another, reach for the stars

and hope for the best.

Sharon

>

> Sharon, Yes, I am always a bit surprised when people who are

> gradually losing ground and unable to stop the erosion of their

> lives choose to stay on a path that is leading to a bad place.

> But I do recognize that it is a valid choice and is a choice that

> we are all free to make. That's why I don't generally tell people

> what to do unless they ask me.

> I simply tell them how the mold was affecting me and what I did

> about it - if they see fit to try it, the choice is theirs.

> I chose another way, and Yes, I am extremely lucky and have

enjoyed

> years of extraordinary adventures instead of agonizing pain by

> adopting a more extreme approach.

> My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

> Kitty and I just got back from my annual Celebratory Mt Whitney

> climb number Six since I made the choice to crawl out of Living

Hell.

> I am Happy, Happy, Happy to be doin what I'm doin.

>

> Hope your choices work out well for you.

> -

[Guest guest]

No one wants to remain sick, nor in an environment that they know

is making them sick, but some people just don't have the means to

make such a drastic change. Yes, I know

> their life may depend on it,(so to speak) but when it is a whole

> family it is exceedingly difficult and sometimes impossible.

> Hopefully you understand this. Sometimes it's a no win situation.

> Sharon

>

Yes, Sure I understand this.

But I didn't make up the silly rules.

I just learned how to play this horrible game.

And I'm seeing people who are protesting the impossibility of making

a dramatic change while they can still walk can be eventually forced

to make that decision anyway when they have deteriorated to the

crawling stage.

But of course, I respect their right to make that decision.

In fact I can't recall making any statements to the contrary.

Only that a person can generally judge for themselves that despite

the impossibility of moving, if they are getting worse, their

options generally decrease and the likliehood of surmounting the

difficulties grows increasingly remote.

Just the way it is.

No offense taken.

Your friend -