Re: Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

[Guest guest]

There's something strange in indoor AC I have MCS so I can taste it smell it the

hole 9 yards I can't go into my 90 year old aunt house because of her AC I can't

stand in her yard. If I do my skin looks as if I've been burn my heart bets fast

Asthma rash eyes I just can't go there She had a New Home Built 6 years ago!?.

Don't take my word check down Town Lauderdale around the County Building I can

tell you other places Store any Thing Newly Built or a change in AC.

Peace

Elvira

[] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

At 06:10 PM 9/12/2005, jmhiaq wrote:

>

> Unfortunately, very few manufacturers make cars with filters

> for the HVAC system. In my opinion, this is insane, since it

> is inevitable that the systems will become contaminated.

They're referred to as: " Cabin Air Filters " >>

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cabin+air+filters%22

( Available in approx. 40% of new cars. )

Some models/years of the following vehicles have Cabin Air

Filters -- which MUST be replaced regularly -- typically

every 15,000 miles :

Acura Audi BMW Buick Cadillac Chevrolet Chrysler Dodge

Ford GMC Honda Infiniti Lexus Lincoln Mazda Mercedes

Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Oldsmobile Pontiac Porsche

Rover Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Volkswagen

( this according to: http://www.cabinairfilters.net/ )

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Climate Control: Cabin Air Filter

http://www.carcarecouncil.org/Climate_Control/cabin_air_filter.shtml

Description: A filter used to clean incoming air for the car's HVAC system.

Introduced in European vehicles, cabin air filters are now becoming common on

more domestic and Asian makes and models. Some examples include the Ford

Taurus, Contour, Windstar and Ford trucks; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo,

Suburban, Tahoe and Silverado; and the Lincoln Navigator. Japanese cars such as

the Honda Accord and Odyssey, and the Acura RL and TL use cabin filters. To

date, approximately 40% of cars have cabin air filters, but the number grows

each year.

Purpose: The cabin air filter helps trap pollen, bacteria, dust, and exhaust

gases that may find their way into a vehicle's ventilation system, making the

interior of the car a healthier place.

Maintenance Tips/Suggestions: Cabin air filters should be replaced according

to owners' manual guidelines, usually every 15,000 miles. It's not uncommon,

however, for cabin air filter replacement to be overlooked in the owner's

manual. Do not try to clean this filter and reinstall it. For best results,

consult filter manufacturer application charts to see if your car is listed.

Most filters are accessible through an access panel in the HVAC housing, which

may be under the hood or in the interior of the car. Some filters require basic

hand tools to remove and install the filter; others just require your hands. If

neglected, a restricted cabin air filter can impair airflow in the HVAC system,

possibly causing interior heating and cooling problems.

Copyright 2005, Car Care Council. All rights reserved.

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Bill

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[Guest guest]

Lexus has a *antibacterial* that they use in their rental cars, that will

HURT anyone chemically sensitive and ruin your car for you to drive it.

They claim that its *SAFE* but it is put into the system to blow thru the

unit into the car.

I think it's called prozone or something like that. DO not let them

convince you that it is not noticable. When they assured me that I would

be safe feom it, I fell prey to them. I turned on the AC in the car and

needless to say, I had my husband drive me home.

I would assume that this would be applicable to Toyota as they are

interrelated.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:43:17 -0700

> From: Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

>

>

> At 06:10 PM 9/12/2005, jmhiaq wrote:

>>

>> Unfortunately, very few manufacturers make cars with filters

>> for the HVAC system. In my opinion, this is insane, since it

>> is inevitable that the systems will become contaminated.

>

>

> They're referred to as: " Cabin Air Filters " >>

>

> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cabin+air+filters%22

>

> ( Available in approx. 40% of new cars. )

>

>

> Some models/years of the following vehicles have Cabin Air

> Filters -- which MUST be replaced regularly -- typically

> every 15,000 miles :

>

> Acura Audi BMW Buick Cadillac Chevrolet Chrysler Dodge

> Ford GMC Honda Infiniti Lexus Lincoln Mazda Mercedes

> Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Oldsmobile Pontiac Porsche

> Rover Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Volkswagen

>

> ( this according to: http://www.cabinairfilters.net/ )

>

> -------

>

>

> Climate Control: Cabin Air Filter

>

> http://www.carcarecouncil.org/Climate_Control/cabin_air_filter.shtml

>

>

> Description: A filter used to clean incoming air for the car's HVAC system.

Introduced in European vehicles, cabin air filters are now becoming common on

more domestic and Asian makes and models. Some examples include the Ford

Taurus, Contour, Windstar and Ford trucks; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo,

Suburban, Tahoe and Silverado; and the Lincoln Navigator. Japanese cars such as

the Honda Accord and Odyssey, and the Acura RL and TL use cabin filters. To

date, approximately 40% of cars have cabin air filters, but the number grows

each year.

>

> Purpose: The cabin air filter helps trap pollen, bacteria, dust, and exhaust

gases that may find their way into a vehicle's ventilation system, making the

interior of the car a healthier place.

>

> Maintenance Tips/Suggestions: Cabin air filters should be replaced according

to owners' manual guidelines, usually every 15,000 miles. It's not uncommon,

however, for cabin air filter replacement to be overlooked in the owner's

manual. Do not try to clean this filter and reinstall it. For best results,

consult filter manufacturer application charts to see if your car is listed.

Most filters are accessible through an access panel in the HVAC housing, which

may be under the hood or in the interior of the car. Some filters require basic

hand tools to remove and install the filter; others just require your hands. If

neglected, a restricted cabin air filter can impair airflow in the HVAC system,

possibly causing interior heating and cooling problems.

>

>

> Copyright 2005, Car Care Council. All rights reserved.

>

> -------

>

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...> wrote:

At 06:10 PM 9/12/2005, jmhiaq wrote:

>

> Unfortunately, very few manufacturers make cars with filters

> for the HVAC system. In my opinion, this is insane, since it

> is inevitable that the systems will become contaminated.

I wanted to mention that i took my 2001 Toyota Corolla into the dealership last

year because I was detecting moldy odors and would feel bad after 2 hours of

driving. It seems that Toyota started putting in cabin filters in 2002! It is a

great idea.

Since I have this ozone generator they would take back, I blasted my car for

about an hour with the a/c running. I noticed it was a little better and I

blasted it again about 5 days ago and Sunday I drove to a city and back and it

tooks six hours and I felt okay, but I don't feel that great to begin with.

One last thing, the dealer told me to turn off the a/c about two minutes before

getting to your destination. Leave the fan on high drawing in outside air and

this will help stop the condensation.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Greetings,

If This Could be in the cars Why is it so hard for people to believe me when I

tell you there's also something in the AC in Homes and Buildings the list goes

on. are you sending your children and their children to daycare and schools are

your home AC safe?

TOXINS IN HOME AC SYSTEM ON TOP OF MOLD?

Elvira

[] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

>

>

> At 06:10 PM 9/12/2005, jmhiaq wrote:

>>

>> Unfortunately, very few manufacturers make cars with filters

>> for the HVAC system. In my opinion, this is insane, since it

>> is inevitable that the systems will become contaminated.

>

>

> They're referred to as: " Cabin Air Filters " >>

>

> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cabin+air+filters%22

>

> ( Available in approx. 40% of new cars. )

>

>

> Some models/years of the following vehicles have Cabin Air

> Filters -- which MUST be replaced regularly -- typically

> every 15,000 miles :

>

> Acura Audi BMW Buick Cadillac Chevrolet Chrysler Dodge

> Ford GMC Honda Infiniti Lexus Lincoln Mazda Mercedes

> Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Oldsmobile Pontiac Porsche

> Rover Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Volkswagen

>

> ( this according to: http://www.cabinairfilters.net/ )

>

> -------

>

>

> Climate Control: Cabin Air Filter

>

> http://www.carcarecouncil.org/Climate_Control/cabin_air_filter.shtml

>

>

> Description: A filter used to clean incoming air for the car's HVAC system.

Introduced in European vehicles, cabin air filters are now becoming common on

more domestic and Asian makes and models. Some examples include the Ford

Taurus, Contour, Windstar and Ford trucks; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo,

Suburban, Tahoe and Silverado; and the Lincoln Navigator. Japanese cars such as

the Honda Accord and Odyssey, and the Acura RL and TL use cabin filters. To

date, approximately 40% of cars have cabin air filters, but the number grows

each year.

>

> Purpose: The cabin air filter helps trap pollen, bacteria, dust, and

exhaust gases that may find their way into a vehicle's ventilation system,

making the interior of the car a healthier place.

>

> Maintenance Tips/Suggestions: Cabin air filters should be replaced

according to owners' manual guidelines, usually every 15,000 miles. It's not

uncommon, however, for cabin air filter replacement to be overlooked in the

owner's manual. Do not try to clean this filter and reinstall it. For best

results, consult filter manufacturer application charts to see if your car is

listed. Most filters are accessible through an access panel in the HVAC

housing, which may be under the hood or in the interior of the car. Some

filters require basic hand tools to remove and install the filter; others just

require your hands. If neglected, a restricted cabin air filter can impair

airflow in the HVAC system, possibly causing interior heating and cooling

problems.

>

>

> Copyright 2005, Car Care Council. All rights reserved.

>

> -------

>

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for your assistance. I learned much from your emails

and even took some of them with me to the dealership today. I have a 2002

Freelander. Had to make a service appointment for today, drove an hour, and

was told they really do not repair mold in the A/C systems. I even showed

them May's email about taking the system apart and they said no,

they don't do that. Was very surprised because last December I had same

problem and they repaired under warranty.

Thanks to all of you I now am aware that I have a cabin filter. Been

looking for sometimes for one and never could find it. With the link you

gave me, saw that " Rover " does have one and today asked the dealership to

show me where it is. I purchased their last one and brought it home with

me. Should be easy to change myself with 4 screws holding it in place under

the dashboard. Was told it's a tight fit.

Driving in Houston without A/C during our Summer heat is almost impossible.

I used a silk face mask lined with food-grade charcoal to keep me from

reacting while in the vehicle today and could tell a huge difference.

I asked to speak to the Service Manager about refusal to fix this problem.

He was very nice, spent about 30 minutes with me and suggested that I use a

product called BG Frigi-Clean followed by BG Frigi-Fresh. Jeff, the manager

said he came from Chevy and they often used these products in their vehicles

with good success. Jeff said they often have customers with mold issues in

their vehicles and it's very common down here. When I told him I was very

reactive he wasn't surprised and sympathetic. He did say many don't react

and never clean their systems. The Frigi-Fresh I could spray myself, the

BG Frigi-Clean needs to be professionally done. I mentioned my MCS and he

said that shouldn't be an issue. I need to find the ingredients and also

phone some of the shops that would do this procedure. He took me online to:

http://www.bgprod.com/products/climatecontrol.html and then

http://www.bgfindashop.com/unitedstates/includes/cc_serv.php and even

printed out lists of shops in Houston.

After I returned home called the BG distributor in our area, had long talk

with the manager. He said exactly what had posted in his email to

me. That is, this is not a permanent solution. If I use the BG Frigi-Clean

first (professionally done):

" BG Frigi-Clean®

Odors, bacteria, mold, spores, fungi, road grime, nicotine oils and debris

accumulate in your car's air conditioning evaporator. BG Frigi-Clean®

restores heating/cooling efficiency and freshens interior air. It is a

unique cleaning solution designed to quickly and effectively remove foul

odors, bacteria, mold, spores, fungi, road grime, nicotine oils and debris

that accumulate in your car's air conditioning evaporator. BG Frigi-Clean®

is injected directly into the evaporator case. It foams up to completely

fill the evaporator core where it also blasts away bug parts, pet hair,

nicotine residue and other garbage. BG Frigi-Clean® is bio-degradable,

non-toxic, non-corrosive. "

And then follow-up every 3 months or so myself with their Frigi-Fresh.

According to BG distributor, an annual injection of their BG Frigi-Clean

should address the problem. He said the odor will dissipate in a few hours

and a qualified and trained shop will know how to run the A/C system to keep

the cabin safe. I wonder how true this is for an MCSer.

And thanks to you all, asked everyone a few preventative questions and the

response to turn off the A/C 5 minutes prior to stopping the vehicle is one

solution. And, when using A/C, turn off the A/C a few minutes before you

turn off the engine and leave the fan blowing so as to prevent condensation

from forming (thus reducing the most important thing that mold needs to

survive or form - moisture).

I don't have a choice but to get this work done and hopefully I'll be able

to tolerate it. Now that I know about the cabin filter and how to change

it, I plan to inspect it every 3 months and change when needed.

Thank you all for helping me!

Rosie

[Guest guest]

If you want to start looking for a new car use that fri-fresh....I

wouldn't it as it will NEVER come out of your sytem.

Once it says FRESHENS you know its going to add a 8fragrance/scent* etc.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Healthier4All wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:58:11 -0500

> From: Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

>

> Thank you everyone for your assistance. I learned much from your emails

> and even took some of them with me to the dealership today. I have a 2002

> Freelander. Had to make a service appointment for today, drove an hour, and

> was told they really do not repair mold in the A/C systems. I even showed

> them May's email about taking the system apart and they said no,

> they don't do that. Was very surprised because last December I had same

> problem and they repaired under warranty.

>

> Thanks to all of you I now am aware that I have a cabin filter. Been

> looking for sometimes for one and never could find it. With the link you

> gave me, saw that " Rover " does have one and today asked the dealership to

> show me where it is. I purchased their last one and brought it home with

> me. Should be easy to change myself with 4 screws holding it in place under

> the dashboard. Was told it's a tight fit.

>

> Driving in Houston without A/C during our Summer heat is almost impossible.

> I used a silk face mask lined with food-grade charcoal to keep me from

> reacting while in the vehicle today and could tell a huge difference.

>

> I asked to speak to the Service Manager about refusal to fix this problem.

> He was very nice, spent about 30 minutes with me and suggested that I use a

> product called BG Frigi-Clean followed by BG Frigi-Fresh. Jeff, the manager

> said he came from Chevy and they often used these products in their vehicles

> with good success. Jeff said they often have customers with mold issues in

> their vehicles and it's very common down here. When I told him I was very

> reactive he wasn't surprised and sympathetic. He did say many don't react

> and never clean their systems. The Frigi-Fresh I could spray myself, the

> BG Frigi-Clean needs to be professionally done. I mentioned my MCS and he

> said that shouldn't be an issue. I need to find the ingredients and also

> phone some of the shops that would do this procedure. He took me online to:

> http://www.bgprod.com/products/climatecontrol.html and then

> http://www.bgfindashop.com/unitedstates/includes/cc_serv.php and even

> printed out lists of shops in Houston.

>

> After I returned home called the BG distributor in our area, had long talk

> with the manager. He said exactly what had posted in his email to

> me. That is, this is not a permanent solution. If I use the BG Frigi-Clean

> first (professionally done):

> " BG Frigi-Clean®

> Odors, bacteria, mold, spores, fungi, road grime, nicotine oils and debris

> accumulate in your car's air conditioning evaporator. BG Frigi-Clean®

> restores heating/cooling efficiency and freshens interior air. It is a

> unique cleaning solution designed to quickly and effectively remove foul

> odors, bacteria, mold, spores, fungi, road grime, nicotine oils and debris

> that accumulate in your car's air conditioning evaporator. BG Frigi-Clean®

> is injected directly into the evaporator case. It foams up to completely

> fill the evaporator core where it also blasts away bug parts, pet hair,

> nicotine residue and other garbage. BG Frigi-Clean® is bio-degradable,

> non-toxic, non-corrosive. "

>

>

>

> And then follow-up every 3 months or so myself with their Frigi-Fresh.

> According to BG distributor, an annual injection of their BG Frigi-Clean

> should address the problem. He said the odor will dissipate in a few hours

> and a qualified and trained shop will know how to run the A/C system to keep

> the cabin safe. I wonder how true this is for an MCSer.

>

>

>

> And thanks to you all, asked everyone a few preventative questions and the

> response to turn off the A/C 5 minutes prior to stopping the vehicle is one

> solution. And, when using A/C, turn off the A/C a few minutes before you

> turn off the engine and leave the fan blowing so as to prevent condensation

> from forming (thus reducing the most important thing that mold needs to

> survive or form - moisture).

>

>

>

> I don't have a choice but to get this work done and hopefully I'll be able

> to tolerate it. Now that I know about the cabin filter and how to change

> it, I plan to inspect it every 3 months and change when needed.

>

>

>

> Thank you all for helping me!

>

>

>

> Rosie

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and you are correct. I called some mechanics today on the list of

approved shops, told them about my mold " sensitivities " plus my " asthma " and

I was really surprised with their honesty. They all agreed this product I

couldn't tolerate. Unfortunately, no one had a viable and safe solution.

Do you? I need one honestly. This car is off-gassed, it was safe for me

until the mold issue in the A/C system, it's a safe car to drive with all

our flooding, the price is great..... couldn't really afford another

vehicle.

Thanks,

Rosie

Re: [] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

If you want to start looking for a new car use that fri-fresh....I

wouldn't it as it will NEVER come out of your sytem.

Once it says FRESHENS you know its going to add a 8fragrance/scent* etc.

[Guest guest]

I first found out about mold growing under my trailer several weeks ago and I

bought a ozone generator but it didn't work in the 3 days I blasted. However I

must admit that after about three blasting inside my car with the a/c blowing, I

am not noticing the mold anymore. I am living in a tent and I noticed after a

couple of days that I was beginning to smell some mold so I blasted the tent for

about six hours. That was Sunday and I haven't noticed the mold odor since.

Maybe it works in small area's? I bought mine over the phone and they told me it

was guaranteed for 30 days but when I wanted to send it back they wouldn't honor

their word. I did a search and I saw a web site which has their's in writing so

I would suggest to anyone who buys one to buy with a written guarantee.

Bob

Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

Thanks and you are correct. I called some mechanics today on the list of

approved shops, told them about my mold " sensitivities " plus my " asthma " and

I was really surprised with their honesty. They all agreed this product I

couldn't tolerate. Unfortunately, no one had a viable and safe solution.

Do you? I need one honestly. This car is off-gassed, it was safe for me

until the mold issue in the A/C system, it's a safe car to drive with all

our flooding, the price is great..... couldn't really afford another

vehicle.

Thanks,

Rosie

Re: [] Re: Mold in Vehicle A/C System

If you want to start looking for a new car use that fri-fresh....I

wouldn't it as it will NEVER come out of your sytem.

Once it says FRESHENS you know its going to add a 8fragrance/scent* etc.

FAIR USE NOTICE: