Re: Shoemaker Hall of Fame

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erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

I believe that Dr Shoemaker has already earned his bust in the hall

of fame.

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You make a pretty strong point about Dr Shoemaker. when someone does find the

answer, it is going to be someone like Dr Shoemaker and not the mainstream

researchers who don't want us well.

I am 58 and maybe I have a different perspective since I was alive when the

polio vaccine was invented. To my knowledge that was the last illnessed cured,

some though believe that the vaccine was contaminated with the SV-40 virus which

may be causing many chronic illnesses today. The paradigm for the medical

association has changed since then. The goal of the AMA and pharmaceutical

companies is to not cure diseases yet treat the symptoms and both make money for

as long as they live. Kind of reminds me of pathogens. Pathogens really do not

want to kill their host as they die also but sometimes they go a little to far

and do kill their hosts. Doctors are kind of like pathogens, they do not want us

dead as the cash cow dries up, but they want us sick for life.

I do not want to step on anyone's hero here but I have long had something I

follow and that is follow the money when it comes to dealing with driven,

ambitious people. Virologist have been making a great living since 1984 working

on HIV/AIDS. If someone found a cure, what next virus would they reaearch and

make a living for their families? It is very hard for me to accept that a doctor

making $510/hour treating an illness really wants that illness to be cured. Now

Dr Shoemaker takes medicare and he wouldn't lose much money if CFS/FM or mold

were cured.

Bob

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Bob -

I have to take exception to some of the things you have posted recently on the

basis of factual errors.

" Mold " is not an illness. It's a life form, and therefore cannot be " cured " .

" Stachybotrys " is not an illness. It's a life form and therefore cannot be

" cured " .

Polio (the disease) has never been cured at all. A vaccine was invented to

prevent the disease. That is all. Many epidemiologists still question whether

that vaccine actually changed the natural course of the disease anyway.

Your assertion that mold doesn't cause CFS is entirely wrong-headed. There

certainly are other causes. However - there are enough people around here who

have onset tied to mold exposure so closely it isn't even funny. Me, for

instance. I don't know what caused yours. I know what caused mine.

I don't know who told you nasal staff infections were untreatable, but whoever

it was, was mistaken.

All these many people you know who are not making any progress with Shoemaker's

protocol - uhhh, Bob. There are more of his patients here on this board than

there are in his office at any given time. Even HE doesn't know how many of us

are here, or who all knows who. There are also a lot of people trying to do CSM

as if it were the magic bullet, who have never even been to Shoemaker at all.

Suggest you vet your sources a little more closely before making any sweeping

statements about what does or does not work - especially if you haven't tried it

yourself.

Shoemaker, like everyone else, has to make a living. However - I'm sure he'd

make a much nicer living if he operated an ordinary practice instead of devoting

much of his time to writing and research - for which he doesn't make a bunch of

money at all. He could certainly take Big Pharma money and get a smoother ride

for himself - but he doesn't. Your assertion that he can cure this illness now

because he won't lose money doing it is, to be blunt, insulting and uncalled

for.

A month or so (?) ago, you landed on this board looking for help and advice. You

got it. People took the time to help you out despite the fact that most are sick

themselves. Nobody slapped you around and told you to cowboy up. That's

precisely the kind of abuse PWC's have been taking for the last 30 years, so I

can't imagine you'd want to perpetuate the practice. So now that you're a mold

expert and all, maybe you could try giving back a little of what you got?

Best to You,

Serena

Serena

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PLEASE, GANG.......LET'S NOT ARGUE AMONGST OURSELVES. THERE ARE FAR TOO

MANY OTHERS " OUT THERE " WHO WANT TO GO AGAINST US. WE ALL HAVE TO STICK

TOGETHER, OR WE'LL NEVER GET ANYWHERE WITH THIS MESS!

TAKE CARE, ALL, & GOD BLESS,

VICTORIA

Re: [] Shoemaker Hall of Fame

>I respect your opinion but still stand by what I said. I may be wrong and I

>am willing to read or look at facts. I was on a list with Dr Shoemaker when

>he found the staph nasal infection and he tried treating it with three

>different abx's. That is where that came from, Dr Shoemaker himself. I do

>not remembere people saying much that helped me. helped me months ago

>but I didn't listen soon enough. You guys tell people to get out

>immediately but you never offered how and I came up with living in a tent

>on my own Serina, no one on this list suggested that. Not that they needed

>to but you made the statement basically saying that you put up with me. I

>have learned nothing on this site that has helped me. I so not mean this as

>disrespect of anyone of this list, just citing a fact. I can leave the

>group and I doubt that my postings would be missed and I won't be any worse

>off.

>

> Serena, this is not your list but you have the right to state what you

> think but so do I. I have never been one who feels that I have to " earn "

> my right to post to a group. If you think that I have no right to

> post because I am new, I take exception to that.

>

> Bob

>

> SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote:

> Bob -

>

> I have to take exception to some of the things you have posted recently on

> the basis of factual errors.

>

> " Mold " is not an illness. It's a life form, and therefore cannot be

> " cured " .

>

> " Stachybotrys " is not an illness. It's a life form and therefore cannot be

> " cured " .

>

> Polio (the disease) has never been cured at all. A vaccine was invented to

> prevent the disease. That is all. Many epidemiologists still question

> whether that vaccine actually changed the natural course of the disease

> anyway.

>

> Your assertion that mold doesn't cause CFS is entirely wrong-headed. There

> certainly are other causes. However - there are enough people around here

> who have onset tied to mold exposure so closely it isn't even funny. Me,

> for instance. I don't know what caused yours. I know what caused mine.

>

> I don't know who told you nasal staff infections were untreatable, but

> whoever it was, was mistaken.

>

> All these many people you know who are not making any progress with

> Shoemaker's protocol - uhhh, Bob. There are more of his patients here on

> this board than there are in his office at any given time. Even HE doesn't

> know how many of us are here, or who all knows who. There are also a lot

> of people trying to do CSM as if it were the magic bullet, who have never

> even been to Shoemaker at all. Suggest you vet your sources a little more

> closely before making any sweeping statements about what does or does not

> work - especially if you haven't tried it yourself.

>

> Shoemaker, like everyone else, has to make a living. However - I'm sure

> he'd make a much nicer living if he operated an ordinary practice instead

> of devoting much of his time to writing and research - for which he

> doesn't make a bunch of money at all. He could certainly take Big Pharma

> money and get a smoother ride for himself - but he doesn't. Your assertion

> that he can cure this illness now because he won't lose money doing it is,

> to be blunt, insulting and uncalled for.

>

> A month or so (?) ago, you landed on this board looking for help and

> advice. You got it. People took the time to help you out despite the fact

> that most are sick themselves. Nobody slapped you around and told you to

> cowboy up. That's precisely the kind of abuse PWC's have been taking for

> the last 30 years, so I can't imagine you'd want to perpetuate the

> practice. So now that you're a mold expert and all, maybe you could try

> giving back a little of what you got?

>

> Best to You,

> Serena

>

>

>

>

> Serena

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>

>

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Bob's welcome to his opinion. I just don't welcome his having done a lot of

back-channel whining over his own predicament and then slamming another member

for having a bad time and saying so. It was both mean and dishonest, and I don't

like it when people are mean to Moldies. As stated - we already have

plenty of problems. A lot of us are skating the edges of sanity and survival as

is, and that's some mighty thin ice.

I am always aware that there are many hundreds of members here - and many of

them are like me. They need real, factual information and lots of support if

they intend to survive this experience. Had I not received those things here

myself, I honestly doubt I'd have survived long enough to say this to you now.

Debate over matters of approach or opinion are one thing. By all means, go to,

and God bless. We can actually learn from those encounters from time to time. I

have, more than once. Misstatements of fact are a whole other thing. For

Moldies, they can be downright dangerous.

So, if you feel I was unduly harsh, then I humbly apologize for that. I have

faults and make mistakes. But not for my intentions. Those are absolutely right

on, and coming from the right place.

Serena

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we know you meant well, serena--i just think we ALL have wayyyyyy too many

problems & issues to deal with. the last thing we need to do is to stress

ourselves out further, you know? i don't " do " stress well, & i suspect

others don't either.....it makes me do 2 steps forward, and about 10

backward!

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Shoemaker Hall of Fame

> Bob's welcome to his opinion. I just don't welcome his having done a lot

> of back-channel whining over his own predicament and then slamming another

> member for having a bad time and saying so. It was both mean and

> dishonest, and I don't like it when people are mean to Moldies. As

> stated - we already have plenty of problems. A lot of us are

> skating the edges of sanity and survival as is, and that's some mighty

> thin ice.

>

> I am always aware that there are many hundreds of members here - and many

> of them are like me. They need real, factual information and lots of

> support if they intend to survive this experience. Had I not received

> those things here myself, I honestly doubt I'd have survived long enough

> to say this to you now. Debate over matters of approach or opinion are one

> thing. By all means, go to, and God bless. We can actually learn from

> those encounters from time to time. I have, more than once. Misstatements

> of fact are a whole other thing. For Moldies, they can be downright

> dangerous.

>

> So, if you feel I was unduly harsh, then I humbly apologize for that. I

> have faults and make mistakes. But not for my intentions. Those are

> absolutely right on, and coming from the right place.

>

>

> Serena

> www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

>

>

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