Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 , Your evaluation of your brother appears to me to be exactly what happens to mold victims. They know what they need to do, however, they can't stay focused enough to accomplish it. And the thought of actually moving and packing is an overwhelming, daughting task. There are various methods being used to treat mycoses/mycotoxicoses. But the one thing that all of these methods completely agree upon is the absolute necessitiy to avoid the environment that is making people sick. These treament protocols all say he will not get better if he stays in the moldie environment. Is there anyway you can simply take control of your brother and tell him you are coming to move him out? Best of luck to you in helping your brother. He is already lucky in that he has someone like you! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Gennie - see comments below .. Subject: [] brother needs help > He is operating from the limbic area of his brain and not from the > prefrontal cortex... many of his actions are reactionary and > emotional rather than rationally thought out. He is apparently > stuck in a cyclical type thinking pattern and cannot seem to take > any steps that would be linear in fashion. That's right. That's what Stachy does. Well, it did it to me at least. Friends told me for months (much before being diagnosed) that " something ain't right with your place and your should leave it. You always feel worse when you spend time there. " I wouldn't / couldn't listen either. Couldn't DO anything. I would just sit when I got home from work and ZONE. Like my brian was short-circuited. Completely screwed up my thought processes. I don't think he needs psych help as much as he needs to get away from that Stachy. Tell him it's the Stachy that is making him nuts and to get away ASAP. It kills. Secondly he won't be ABLE to deal with any other possible issues until her does. Ask my son. He'll tell you that while I was living in the apartment I was a completely different person. Angelika > > I feel he needs psychiatric help (with antidepressants)on top of > his taking CSM to help rid his body of the mycotoxins, but seeing > anyone with little awareness of mold toxicity would probably > result in his being declared psychotic. Does anyone know of a > good mental health professional, who would be well aware of > the effects of the mycotoxins and give support on that front, while > working with some of the more latent issues that seem to be at > the core of some of his other fears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 , What a delimma. I wish I could be of more help to you, but I have no other answers. Maybe someone else has some ideas. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Sharon, Thanks so much for your kind remark regarding my brother being lucky to have me. I love him and want to see him fight this invisible enemy to regain his health. I would hope that offering love and support in such a stressful time would simply be what anyone would do for a loved one. I'm not sure how to " take control " of my brother, as we are both adults. I have issues with just stepping in and taking over completely (remnants of my upbringing with very controlling parents). As much as I see the aforementioned action as just about my only remaining recourse, I am unsure of how to go about taking such a step without completely alienating my brother... his thought processes are not the most rational at the moment. Highly Sensitive Persons are extremely methodical at viewing and weighing all the options before making a decision anyway and, unfortunately, the circulating mycotoxins have seemed to exacerbate the characteristic tenfold. My brother is currently seeing a psychotherapist, in whom I have no confidence. She seems unwilling to see this as a life threatening situation. He seems unwilling to seek help with someone else. I fear his abitlity to see things clearly and make rational decisions is also being compromised by her unwillingness to even attempt to understand the severity of the debilitating effects of mycotoxins on my brother's ability to make wise choices for himself. So, I have several questions: Did any of you seek and find any kind of mental health professional who was willing to work with coming to an understanding of the effects of mycotoxin exposure on your ability to think and function in a rational manner? Did other family members/friends simply step in and take over in many of your cases? If so, how did that make you feel... were you grateful or resentful? I don't want to risk losing my brother from my life in any way, shape, or form. So once again, any further suggestions/anecdotes would be appreciated. Gratefully, > , > > Your evaluation of your brother appears to me to be exactly what happens to > mold victims. They know what they need to do, however, they can't stay > focused enough to accomplish it. And the thought of actually moving and packing > is an overwhelming, daughting task. > > There are various methods being used to treat mycoses/mycotoxicoses. But > the one thing that all of these methods completely agree upon is the absolute > necessitiy to avoid the environment that is making people sick. These > treament protocols all say he will not get better if he stays in the moldie > environment. > > Is there anyway you can simply take control of your brother and tell him you > are coming to move him out? > > Best of luck to you in helping your brother. He is already lucky in that he > has someone like you! > Sharon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 , If I can be of any assistance to you and your brother I would be more than happy to. (This goes for anyone on this board as well.) It might be best if we speak and you determine what course of action you may need to take, and if it would help your brother if I spoke with him I would be more than happy to do so. KC > > , > > > > Your evaluation of your brother appears to me to be exactly what > happens to > > mold victims. They know what they need to do, however, they can't > stay > > focused enough to accomplish it. And the thought of actually > moving and packing > > is an overwhelming, daughting task. > > > > There are various methods being used to treat > mycoses/mycotoxicoses. But > > the one thing that all of these methods completely agree upon is > the absolute > > necessitiy to avoid the environment that is making people sick. > These > > treament protocols all say he will not get better if he stays in > the moldie > > environment. > > > > Is there anyway you can simply take control of your brother and > tell him you > > are coming to move him out? > > > > Best of luck to you in helping your brother. He is already lucky > in that he > > has someone like you! > > Sharon > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Angelika, Thank you for your reply. I wonder, though... What was it that finally made you take the step to remove yourself from the mold infested apartment/belongings? What PUSHED you to take your own life and sanity into your hands and MOVE, despite the seemingly overwhelming task of having to do all the things necessary to get it done? What was done with your belongings? How did you reconcile giving up items/belongings which held meaning for you in your life? These are the issues with which my brother cannot come to grips. I have a hard time understanding how the will to survive would be so diminished in anyone, but this is at the crux of the situation. Thanks so much for your input, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 KC, Thank you for your compassion. I'll e-mail you. --- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@y...> wrote: > , > > If I can be of any assistance to you and your brother I would be > more than happy to. (This goes for anyone on this board as well.) > It might be best if we speak and you determine what course of action > you may need to take, and if it would help your brother if I spoke > with him I would be more than happy to do so. > > KC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dear Sharon, I wish I had someone like you watching out for me when I was in the midst of my mold hell. To answer your question about mental health professionals... I have been under a psychiatrist and therapists care for ten years now. They totally believed me when I told them I was depressed because of my physical symptoms and not my bi-polar problems. There is a difference. Since we discovered it was the mold that was making me sick and depressed they still stood by me all the way. I am very lucky that way with these doctors. But my general practitioner well he was another story. He was convinced it was my depression causing my symptoms. Believe me I have never felt that kind of depression before not until the mold. I think the combination of the fatigue, depression, and constant colds, aches and pains etc had me convinced I was going to die of something. When the mold was discovered my doctor wrote on his last report environmental allergies, asthma, etc. caused by mold...so he eventually figured it out. Anyway I believe that you will not change your brothers mind but can be there to support him when he needs you. My kids didn't believe me so consequently where of no help. Until my younger son asked me to work for him one day and I said no I'm too sick. He knows I always say yes and need the money but this still did not change his mind. So hang in there with your brother. Give him all the support you can. Hopefully he will get out of the moldy environment and begin to see the light and will some day grow to appreciate you! All the best, Skye <wbrissette@...> wrote: Sharon, Thanks so much for your kind remark regarding my brother being lucky to have me. I love him and want to see him fight this invisible enemy to regain his health. I would hope that offering love and support in such a stressful time would simply be what anyone would do for a loved one. I'm not sure how to " take control " of my brother, as we are both adults. I have issues with just stepping in and taking over completely (remnants of my upbringing with very controlling parents). As much as I see the aforementioned action as just about my only remaining recourse, I am unsure of how to go about taking such a step without completely alienating my brother... his thought processes are not the most rational at the moment. Highly Sensitive Persons are extremely methodical at viewing and weighing all the options before making a decision anyway and, unfortunately, the circulating mycotoxins have seemed to exacerbate the characteristic tenfold. My brother is currently seeing a psychotherapist, in whom I have no confidence. She seems unwilling to see this as a life threatening situation. He seems unwilling to seek help with someone else. I fear his abitlity to see things clearly and make rational decisions is also being compromised by her unwillingness to even attempt to understand the severity of the debilitating effects of mycotoxins on my brother's ability to make wise choices for himself. So, I have several questions: Did any of you seek and find any kind of mental health professional who was willing to work with coming to an understanding of the effects of mycotoxin exposure on your ability to think and function in a rational manner? Did other family members/friends simply step in and take over in many of your cases? If so, how did that make you feel... were you grateful or resentful? I don't want to risk losing my brother from my life in any way, shape, or form. So once again, any further suggestions/anecdotes would be appreciated. Gratefully, > , > > Your evaluation of your brother appears to me to be exactly what happens to > mold victims. They know what they need to do, however, they can't stay > focused enough to accomplish it. And the thought of actually moving and packing > is an overwhelming, daughting task. > > There are various methods being used to treat mycoses/mycotoxicoses. But > the one thing that all of these methods completely agree upon is the absolute > necessitiy to avoid the environment that is making people sick. These > treament protocols all say he will not get better if he stays in the moldie > environment. > > Is there anyway you can simply take control of your brother and tell him you > are coming to move him out? > > Best of luck to you in helping your brother. He is already lucky in that he > has someone like you! > Sharon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Skye, Thank you for your reply to my plea for some guidance. I wish my brother could find a mental health professional who was well versed on the effects of mycotoxins on the brain and an individuals decision making abilities, but short of that, it appears the next best thing is for me to travel out west and be there to help and support him through this latest move. I can't thank enough all of the members who have opened their hearts and supported me during this most difficult time. You have stepped in to help me through what's been happening at my end of this nightmare despite all that you all must surely still be going through yourselves. I pray that research will continue on finding an effective fungicide for stachy- and also on developing a fool proof method of neutralizing the debilitating mycotoxin that accompanies it. All of you are in my thoughts and prayers... > Dear Sharon, > > I wish I had someone like you watching out for me when I was in the midst of my mold hell. To answer your question about mental health professionals... I have been under a psychiatrist and therapists care for ten years now. They totally believed me when I told them I was depressed because of my physical symptoms and not my bi-polar problems. There is a difference. Since we discovered it was the mold that was making me sick and depressed they still stood by me all the way. I am very lucky that way with these doctors. But my general practitioner well he was another story. He was convinced it was my depression causing my symptoms. Believe me I have never felt that kind of depression before not until the mold. I think the combination of the fatigue, depression, and constant colds, aches and pains etc had me convinced I was going to die of something. When the mold was discovered my doctor wrote on his last report environmental allergies, asthma, etc. caused by mold...so he eventually > figured it out. > Anyway I believe that you will not change your brothers mind but can be there to support him when he needs you. My kids didn't believe me so consequently where of no help. Until my younger son asked me to work for him one day and I said no I'm too sick. He knows I always say yes and need the money but this still did not change his mind. So hang in there with your brother. Give him all the support you can. Hopefully he will get out of the moldy environment and begin to see the light and will some day grow to appreciate you! > > All the best, Skye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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