Re: Planning the GREAT ESCAPE

[Guest guest]

I think some things can be saved but I'm not the expert. I can give you a

name of a person that can help.\ but I have to go find it. E-mail me and I'll

look his # up for you. If it can be saved he'll be able to tell you. I

believe he recommends peroxide but not the type you use medically. You have to

buy

it at a beauty supply store & they have different types and weights.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I got rid of my contacts, they were contaminated with Stachybotrys mold on them.

( Soft lens.)I too was contaminated at work from the mold. I am going to take my

carpet out when I get some energy. My 7th IVIG is the 7th: Wed. Hopefully I will

get some energy soon. So far it does not look good for me but I am praying for a

miracle. No money for treatments yet. ( other than the Immugammobolin

treatments.) Infusions.

I have not heard from WC on my second appeal yet and am waiting for SSI to kick

in.

Good Luck and get rid of your contacts if they are soft lens.

Sincerely,

Marcie

the75vagabonds <the75vagabonds@...> wrote:

So, I've been reading what you all have been posting and I'm about to

make the GREAT ESCAPE. My contamination was at work and I fear cross

contamination at home as well. I've gotten rid of my clothes and I'm

considering getting rid of virtually everything and I'm wondering if

any things are worth trying to salvage.

My laptop was taken to work a few times. Work was contaminated with

Stachy and many other molds. Is my laptop not worth keeping? It is

mind boggling to think that I must get rid of everything. I am trying to

do it, but need moral support to help me sort through the necessity of

it. If dishes and pots and pans were in a moldy building then are they

goners as well? What about computer equipment, audio equipment, TVs,

DVD players etc. and is keeping a DVD or CD or two a bad idea?

Can I keep my contacts, eye glasses, mouth guard etc.?

Thanks so much, as I need suggestions and support as I make this

critical move.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

Wow, how did you discover that your contacts lenses had stachy on them?

Also, I forgot to ask, what do people do about their drivers license,

credit cards, essential papers and medicine...when they leave a

contaminated place?

> I got rid of my contacts, they were contaminated with Stachybotrys

mold on them. ( Soft lens.)I too was contaminated at work from the

mold.<

[Guest guest]

I'd just pack everything loosely in boxes - so the air can circulate

and allow the toxins to denature naturally - and put the stuff in very

dry storage.

Pillows, mattresses and soft furniture probably isn't worth saving.

Even if it died down, would you trust it?

Would you feel comfortable while you sat in a chair that once tried to

kill you? Even if you couldn't feel it anymore?

It took about five years for my stuff, and toxin potential/level of

contamination is going to be different in each case, but at least in

mine and one person I carried out of a house five years ago - the

toxic properties seem to diminish considerably over the span of a few

years.

Anything that can be washed in a washing machine will probably not

have the ability to cross contaminate - so stuff like that can be kept

in an area away from your " safe zone " (where you sleep) and used even

if they still have some adsorbed toxins.

Anything plastic or metal, I would feel safe to have in a separate

room. If it really bugged me (like my waterproof binoculars that I

washed in the sink but still slammed me) I'd just put it somewhere

away from me and worry about it later.

You have to balance the need for an item against your desire to feel

good, and use your perceptions as a guide to how much you want to put

up with.

But bear in mind that the effect of the sum total of a lot of small

exposures can make it look like one last possession is the culprit

when you bring it into your new place - when it might be all the

slightly contaminated possessions working together.

Good luck.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your thoughts .

1) You talked recently about " bagging " things and taking a shower

when you get slammed. After the shower do you figure your body and

your hair are OK, or do you think they are still contaminated? And

then what do you do with the " bagged " clothes? Are they forever

contaminated as well? When contaminated clothes are washed with

uncontaminated clothes do they contaminate the other clothes?

2) What about shampoo and those things? Should they be discarded when

I leave, or will they cross contaminate other things?

3) I get the impression that you think a computer, laptop,

electronics and kitchen things wouldn't cross contaminate, but that

they might give off toxins and make me sick? Is that correct?

4) I'm wanting to avoid paying for heated storage for five years. So

I'm trying to figure out how to make good decisions now. I have a

friend with a moldy house. I could store stuff in her garage for

free, but it doesn't sound like that would help! If things were

stored in plastic rubbermaid containers would they be free of toxins

either going " in " or " out " ? I'm trying to get at the issue of my

things contaminating other things, and also the issue of other things

further contaminating my things.

This is mind boggling!

> I'd just pack everything loosely in boxes - so the air can

circulate

> and allow the toxins to denature naturally - and put the stuff in

very

> dry storage.

> Pillows, mattresses and soft furniture probably isn't worth saving.

> Even if it died down, would you trust it?

> Would you feel comfortable while you sat in a chair that once tried

to

> kill you? Even if you couldn't feel it anymore?

>

> It took about five years for my stuff, and toxin potential/level of

> contamination is going to be different in each case, but at least

in

> mine and one person I carried out of a house five years ago - the

> toxic properties seem to diminish considerably over the span of a

few

> years.

>

> Anything that can be washed in a washing machine will probably not

> have the ability to cross contaminate - so stuff like that can be

kept

> in an area away from your " safe zone " (where you sleep) and used

even

> if they still have some adsorbed toxins.

> Anything plastic or metal, I would feel safe to have in a separate

> room. If it really bugged me (like my waterproof binoculars that I

> washed in the sink but still slammed me) I'd just put it somewhere

> away from me and worry about it later.

> You have to balance the need for an item against your desire to

feel

> good, and use your perceptions as a guide to how much you want to

put

> up with.

> But bear in mind that the effect of the sum total of a lot of small

> exposures can make it look like one last possession is the culprit

> when you bring it into your new place - when it might be all the

> slightly contaminated possessions working together.

>

> Good luck.

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[Guest guest]

--- the75vagabonds <the75vagabonds@...> wrote:

> This is mind boggling!

Amen to that!!! Don't stay until you almost die like

I did. I have stayed in motel rooms for about 11 days

now and I feel bad in all of them except the time I

stayed at a new, expensive one. My moldy trailer is in

Southern Oklahoma but I am in West Texas now and I

guess I am going to have to buy a tent and stay at a

campground. It is cooler here and bearable where

Oklahoma is still too hot for a tent. I guess I will

contaminate my tent but they are cheap! I would

definitely tell people to not stay in a moldy

condition if you are already getting ill. I am just

trying to survive right now. I am feeling a little

better than when I left Oklahoma but I still have my

clothes in my car trunk. From what I am reading, since

my car is contaminated, it wouldn't do me any good to

git rid of my old clothes, buy new ones and put them

in my contaminated car would it?

Good luck to those who are my condition. I still think

that if hippies could afford to live in communes in

the 60's, that moldies could do the same. Government

nor medical community is not going to help us. In fact

maybe smoking pot would help us...lol Could we get a

prescription for pot in CA? Let's pitch in and let

build a " safe haven " and we can sit and smoke pot

while we munch on mold-free snacks. I am showing my

age.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

malibu805@a... wrote:

> A good rule of thumb is to get rid of anything plastic - it does

absorb mycotoxins - and anything porous (clothing, porous ceramics,

wood, paper and

> plastic of any kind.) Metal and glass can be cleaned - most tile

too. Good luck!

> Mal

Agree, except that I was getting slammed by a bunch of CD's which

wouldn't respond to washing, but I just put 'em in storage - and five

years later they're just fine.

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