Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 To illustrate decontamination, when in Basic Training, " Boot Camp " , everybody gets to go through CS gas training, the military equivalent of " tear gas " . They stick you in a room and with your gas masks on and release some CS gas. After a while, anyone whose mask isn't adjusted properly will reveal that his masking isn't working. Then everyone gets to remove their masks and get a good whiff. You should see people scramble for the door! The stuff makes quite an impression. Afterward, you are allowed to decontaminate but get a warning not to sit on your bunk or let your clothing come into contact with any of your other clothing before being washed. " Bag it separately - Shower immediately " . But, there's always a few grunts who don't heed the warning and throw their clothing in their lockers or in a laundry bag. Sometimes, washing it just once doesn't get it all out. And then perhaps they don't wash their hair quite as vigorously as one might expect during a decontamination shower. And then you get to watch these people betray their mistake when they light up from the extended response to the CS gas! When I realized that specific mycotoxins were having a similar effect, I just started doing what I was taught in the Army. Avoid contaminated areas - bag clothing separately for special attention and to prevent cross contamination. Explaining is one thing, CS gas training really brings home the point and clarifies the situation in an unmistakeable way that the person who is going to pay the price for screwing up is YOU! It only stands to reason that someone who received this type of training would emerge as a person who deals with neurotoxic responses a bit more successfully than others. It was no accident. I thought it was kind of ironic that I turned from " Cold Warrior " to " Mold Warrior " for this very reason. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Thanks so much for taking the time to give us such a good explanation about decontamination. > To illustrate decontamination, when in Basic Training, " Boot Camp " , > everybody gets to go through CS gas training, the military > equivalent of " tear gas " . > They stick you in a room and with your gas masks on and release some > CS gas. After a while, anyone whose mask isn't adjusted properly > will reveal that his masking isn't working. > Then everyone gets to remove their masks and get a good whiff. > You should see people scramble for the door! > The stuff makes quite an impression. > > Afterward, you are allowed to decontaminate but get a warning not to > sit on your bunk or let your clothing come into contact with any of > your other clothing before being washed. > " Bag it separately - Shower immediately " . > > But, there's always a few grunts who don't heed the warning and > throw their clothing in their lockers or in a laundry bag. > Sometimes, washing it just once doesn't get it all out. > And then perhaps they don't wash their hair quite as vigorously as > one might expect during a decontamination shower. > And then you get to watch these people betray their mistake when > they light up from the extended response to the CS gas! > > When I realized that specific mycotoxins were having a similar > effect, I just started doing what I was taught in the Army. > Avoid contaminated areas - bag clothing separately for special > attention and to prevent cross contamination. > > Explaining is one thing, CS gas training really brings home the > point and clarifies the situation in an unmistakeable way that the > person who is going to pay the price for screwing up is YOU! > > It only stands to reason that someone who received this type of > training would emerge as a person who deals with neurotoxic > responses a bit more successfully than others. > It was no accident. > I thought it was kind of ironic that I turned from " Cold Warrior " > to " Mold Warrior " for this very reason. > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Thanks erik for this illustration. If I buy some new clothes, then I should have them put in a large plastic bad and carry in my car. when I enter my motel room, I should go to the shower carrying the new clothes and bag my present clothes which were contaminated by driving in the car all day, take a shower and put on new clothes, leaving the contaminated clothes in a new plastic bag?? Are plastic trash bags okay to use? Bob erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: To illustrate decontamination, when in Basic Training, " Boot Camp " , everybody gets to go through CS gas training, the military equivalent of " tear gas " . They stick you in a room and with your gas masks on and release some CS gas. After a while, anyone whose mask isn't adjusted properly will reveal that his masking isn't working. Then everyone gets to remove their masks and get a good whiff. You should see people scramble for the door! The stuff makes quite an impression. Afterward, you are allowed to decontaminate but get a warning not to sit on your bunk or let your clothing come into contact with any of your other clothing before being washed. " Bag it separately - Shower immediately " . But, there's always a few grunts who don't heed the warning and throw their clothing in their lockers or in a laundry bag. Sometimes, washing it just once doesn't get it all out. And then perhaps they don't wash their hair quite as vigorously as one might expect during a decontamination shower. And then you get to watch these people betray their mistake when they light up from the extended response to the CS gas! When I realized that specific mycotoxins were having a similar effect, I just started doing what I was taught in the Army. Avoid contaminated areas - bag clothing separately for special attention and to prevent cross contamination. Explaining is one thing, CS gas training really brings home the point and clarifies the situation in an unmistakeable way that the person who is going to pay the price for screwing up is YOU! It only stands to reason that someone who received this type of training would emerge as a person who deals with neurotoxic responses a bit more successfully than others. It was no accident. I thought it was kind of ironic that I turned from " Cold Warrior " to " Mold Warrior " for this very reason. - FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I should go to the shower carrying the new clothes and bag my present clothes which were contaminated by driving in the car all day, take a shower and put on new clothes, leaving the contaminated clothes in a new plastic bag?? Are plastic trash bags okay to use? > > Bob Yes, that's exactly what I do. Plastic bags are great to control cross contamination, but they don't stop mycotoxins, so the bag should be someplace far away, at least in another room. I do this whenever I feel even the slightest hit or have gone anywhere that I've been slammed in the past. It is absolutely terrific to be able to sleep well - without all those nasy neuro-nightmares. After a few months of acting like a total nutcase, my " Raynauds- like " finger numbness went away. I couldn't believe that after years of freezing cold fingers that would numb up at a cool breeze, I could go outside and make snowballs without fear. I celebrated by throwing snowballs at Dr s Hummer. Awesome it is! to find something against all odds and in contradiction to what everybody says - that really makes a difference! Unbelievable that the very people who you'd think would be the most interested turned out to be the most disinterested. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 You cut food supply of the mold, and eventually it is controlled. > > IMO, I just don't think one can always decontaminate items which have mold on them. If an item won't come clean after washing, then it needs to be thrown out. Same goes for wood with mold damage and clothing, cars and etc. If the mold is not removed by washing and scrubbing, then it cannot be decontaminate. To be on the safe side, just get rid of it. When I was going through my mold ordeal, I made myself sicker using cleaning agents and etc in an effort to " decontaminate " or clean my items. I had to throw out some furniture, leather handbags, shoes and etc. These items would not come clean no matter how hard I tried. If the mold is set in that much, you just need to take it to the dump and forget about it. I am one who believes whole heartily in recycling but some things need to be in the dump, especially contaminated moldy items which can't be cleaned and sterilized. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I know that but if it can't be removed, then it can't be removed. I think we have been over time and again on how dead mold is worse than living mold. Even still, it it can't be removed, it needs to be trashed. > > > > IMO, I just don't think one can always decontaminate items which have mold on them. If an item won't come clean after washing, then it needs to be thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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