Re: Immunotherapy, anyone have luck with it?

[Guest guest]

Fletch,

I don't know exactly what they do there. However I had a similar

question concerning homeopathic treatment for fungal infection,

which may be similar. It is giving a small amount of a similar but

not the *same* mold. Somehow this seems to stimulate a bigger

immune response that sometimes can help to resolve the infection.

If this is similar to allergy treatment, using a similar but not the

exact same species, I don't know but I would think so. Afterall, as

you say he is already getting exposed to same. Barb

--- In , " fletch_82000 " <fletch_8@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Group,

>

> Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

> who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

> better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Fletch. I am not sure if Immunotherapy would work....it may or may not.

The important thing to note is that this is for the " allergic " portion of the

disease. The other two parts are the " toxins " and " infection " .

You do not need to be allergic to be affected, as is my case. If your doctors

only address the allergic component, they may be neglecting the toxic effects.

If your child is one of the genotypes identified by Dr. Shoemaker whose immune

system cannot rid itself of the toxins, then without cholestyramine (an old

cholesterol drug which is an ion-binding resin), your child will continue to

suffer the health effects.

In regards to steroids, show your doctor Mold Warriors. In no way am I telling

your child to get off of steroids, because he may need them to open up his

airways. But in certain cases, steroids can make this problem worse. It is

like throwing gasoline on a fire. If it were strictly allergies, that is one

thing. But if it is a case like mine, steroids may not be the best......but

please do NOT stop them because of what I am saying. Talk to a doctor first.

If there is anyway you can get to Dr. Shoemaker, please go. His office number

is (410) 957-1550.

Good luck to you and your child.

fletch_82000 <fletch_8@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

I happened to talk to someone on Friday who said her daughter worked

in a radio station with mold and has been in poor health and had her

call me since she had found some improvement at an allergy center.

She has the same problems my son has and he was referred to this

place in LaCrosse WI and she says it has helped her greatly. She

has had the same story of going to doctors who want to put her on

anti-depressants because they think it is all in her head, but we

know better. I am afraid of immunotherapy because they give small

doses of the mold which I would think he gets everytime he steps

outside, especially this time of year.

This person who worked at the radio station was referred to LaCrosse

by a doctor who is in the same clinic as my son's doctor. I asked

him about it and he pooh poohed the approach and said it was too

experimental. He said the book I had of Mold Warriors was along the

same lines only to be corrected by me in that Dr.Shoemaker uses

things to clear mold and toxins out as opposed to immunotherapy

which puts molds in to desensitize the mold. The doctor then said

our best course is to just stay on steroids and maybe go to the

emergency room once a month and he may outgrow it enough later to be

an emergency room visit once every six months. I could not believe

my ears. That is not an acceptable life my my son, a life of

steroids and emergency room visits is not my definition of a life.

Could those who have seen Dr.Shoemaker please give some updates for

our forum?

Here is the LaCrosse link:

http://www.allergy-solutions.com/se3bin/cliente.cgi?

websitename=school1000188

Anyone familiar with this?

Thanks,

Fletch

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[Guest guest]

At one point, I was given one of these concoctions - called Fungisode. At the

time, I could not read at the time, so didn't look at the label. I got sicker.

Soon, I could not even stand to touch the bottle that it came in. And when I did

finally read the label, I was appalled at what was in it! Aspergillus, just to

name one (Read full listing below).

I later mentioned this to my local doc, who was not familiar with Shoemaker's

work at the time she gave me that stuff. The doc, by that time, was not really

surprised by anything except just how strongly I reacted to it. She instantly

agreed not to give that stuff to CFS patients any more without my even asking.

This type of thing is intended to treat allergies. And I am not allergic. I was

poisoned. BIG difference.

A discussion happened on this board, and a position was taken by some that this

was my version of an attack on homeopathy. Not so! It was my attack on a very

wrong-headed approach for the problem at hand. Until or unless you are very,

very sure that your child has NOT been poisoned, I wouldn't even think about

using a medication of this sort. And even then...do we have a word for

itchy/queasy/weak/fogged/dying? Yeah. We do. It's a " mold hit " . That stuff was

quite possibly the single worst, most concentrated hit I recall ever getting,

and I don't care HOW much they claim it was diluted. I had left the bottle

untouched on my desk for many days, too weak to move it, and too wiped out to

think. Things only improved when I finally got the thing away from me. Consider

- a medicine made OF mold, by people who don't even understand mold, given to

people who are ultra-reactive to mold. Bad, bad juju! What was REALLY in there?

Mold. That's for sure. I don't know how much, and I don't even

care. I reacted like it was a truckload. When the manufacturers say they are no

known contraindications...oh, brother!

Just my 2 cents. Do as you will, of course, but I'd hate to see your kid go

through all that mess.

**************************************************

Fungisode

Fungal - Candidiasis Formula

Fungisode is a broad-spectrum homeopathic sarcode and nosode preparation

containing a variety of common yeasts, molds and fungi, specifically formulated

to stimulate immune functions and combat pathogenic infections. Compromised

immunity, due to an abnormal microflora, increases incidents of allergic

reactions and infections, and the possibility of contracting diseases. Fungisode

is indicated for conditions associated with systemic candidiasis, parasitic and

fungal infections, and for vaginitis, toe and fingernail fungi, thrush and

athlete’s foot. For maximum benefits, use Fungisode with the Can Albex

Candidiasis Program. FormulaLymphonodinum (Lymph Tissue)3 XSpleninum (Spleen)6

XThymusinum (Thymus Gland)3 XRudbeckia angustifolia (Echinacea)6 XTabebuia

impetiginosa (Pau d'Arco)6 XAlternaria species 12X and 30XAspergillus species

12X and 30X (5 varieties)Blastomyces species 12X and 30XCandida species 12X and

30X (7 varieties)Cladosporium species 12X and 30XCrypytococcus neoformans 12X

and 30XCurvelaria species 12X and 30XEpidermophyton species 12X and 30XFusarium

species 12X and 30XGeotrichum species 12X and 30XPenicillium species 12X and 30X

(3 varieties)Pullularia pullans 12X and 30XRhizopus niger 12X and

30XTrichophyton species 12X and 30XTrichosporon species 12X and 30XRecommended

DosageAdults: 10 drops under the tongue two to three times daily, 20 minutes

away from meals

Children under 12: Five drops under the tongue two to three times daily, 20

minutes away from meals.

ContraindicationsNone known.

Available as 30 ml (1 oz) 601

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[Guest guest]

This is the very same doctor who has saved my life. If you want to email me off

list, please

do so, as I can give you very detailed information on the clinic and treatment.

It is NOT the same as the homeopathic serena was referring to. He has been

treating

people with his methods since 1967, and it is the same or similar to standard

treatment in

Europe, from what I hear.

> Hi Group,

>

> Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

> who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

> better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

>

> I happened to talk to someone on Friday who said her daughter worked

> in a radio station with mold and has been in poor health and had her

> call me since she had found some improvement at an allergy center.

> She has the same problems my son has and he was referred to this

> place in LaCrosse WI and she says it has helped her greatly. She

> has had the same story of going to doctors who want to put her on

> anti-depressants because they think it is all in her head, but we

> know better. I am afraid of immunotherapy because they give small

> doses of the mold which I would think he gets everytime he steps

> outside, especially this time of year.

>

> This person who worked at the radio station was referred to LaCrosse

> by a doctor who is in the same clinic as my son's doctor. I asked

> him about it and he pooh poohed the approach and said it was too

> experimental. He said the book I had of Mold Warriors was along the

> same lines only to be corrected by me in that Dr.Shoemaker uses

> things to clear mold and toxins out as opposed to immunotherapy

> which puts molds in to desensitize the mold. The doctor then said

> our best course is to just stay on steroids and maybe go to the

> emergency room once a month and he may outgrow it enough later to be

> an emergency room visit once every six months. I could not believe

> my ears. That is not an acceptable life my my son, a life of

> steroids and emergency room visits is not my definition of a life.

>

> Could those who have seen Dr.Shoemaker please give some updates for

> our forum?

>

> Here is the LaCrosse link:

> http://www.allergy-solutions.com/se3bin/cliente.cgi?

> websitename=school1000188

>

> Anyone familiar with this?

>

> Thanks,

> Fletch

[Guest guest]

Hey Fletch. I have been on immunotherapy for several months now and as the

seasons change, my reactions are worsening. I experience quite a bit of pain at

the injections areas (I have two shots, once a week) and they swell up and itch

like crazy; I get a headache and am extremely tired.

I basically feel like hell for three, maybe four days after the shot, and start

getting better just in time for another one. I have just been prescribed an

epi-pen (not sure how to spell it) so we can counter some of the reaction.

I haven't been to Dr. Shoemaker yet, I have to save enough money for the trip

and appointment, but I'd much rather treat the entire illness rather than

injecting my body with the very same thing that made me sick. My doctor did

tell me that it may take up to three years of injections before I notice any

improvement; and that is what he prescribed (for starters), three years of

immunotherapy and told me I could be on these for the rest of my life...fun,

fun, fun.

I certainly hope your child gets better!

J.

fletch_82000 <fletch_8@...> wrote:Hi Group,

Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

I happened to talk to someone on Friday who said her daughter worked

in a radio station with mold and has been in poor health and had her

call me since she had found some improvement at an allergy center.

She has the same problems my son has and he was referred to this

place in LaCrosse WI and she says it has helped her greatly. She

has had the same story of going to doctors who want to put her on

anti-depressants because they think it is all in her head, but we

know better. I am afraid of immunotherapy because they give small

doses of the mold which I would think he gets everytime he steps

outside, especially this time of year.

This person who worked at the radio station was referred to LaCrosse

by a doctor who is in the same clinic as my son's doctor. I asked

him about it and he pooh poohed the approach and said it was too

experimental. He said the book I had of Mold Warriors was along the

same lines only to be corrected by me in that Dr.Shoemaker uses

things to clear mold and toxins out as opposed to immunotherapy

which puts molds in to desensitize the mold. The doctor then said

our best course is to just stay on steroids and maybe go to the

emergency room once a month and he may outgrow it enough later to be

an emergency room visit once every six months. I could not believe

my ears. That is not an acceptable life my my son, a life of

steroids and emergency room visits is not my definition of a life.

Could those who have seen Dr.Shoemaker please give some updates for

our forum?

Here is the LaCrosse link:

http://www.allergy-solutions.com/se3bin/cliente.cgi?

websitename=school1000188

Anyone familiar with this?

Thanks,

Fletch

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[Guest guest]

It's so confusing to figure out treatment when some people are

infected, some are suffering with toxins and some allergic. If you

are infected, you also are suffering from toxins I would assume.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

> At one point, I was given one of these concoctions - called

Fungisode. At the time, I could not read at the time, so didn't look

at the label. I got

[Guest guest]

>

I am allergic to mold and candida albicans but I didn't have it until

my mold house. Did the injections, steroids, diflican, sinus surgery,

inhalers, now imune system messed up and have the chemical asthma,

reactive airways disease or mcs or what ever you want to call it.

[Guest guest]

Steroids for mold? Worst thing you can do period. They depress your

immune system which is already depressed from exposure. If the

doctor is giving steroids he is treating it like an allergy and if it

is toxic mold it is an immune response NOT AN ALLERGY but hey 99% of

doctors have no clue nor will they ever get you better. He needs to

detoxify and take supplements to build his immunity back up. I have

gone from 0 to hero along with my wife in less than 4 weeks and we

had brain fog, memory loss, concentration problems, headaches,

chronic fatigue, mcs and fibromyalgia like stuff. I can give you an

exact list of supps and the brand to take with the reasoning if you

want. I have spent almost 500 hours researching these things and I

have answers!!

--- In , " fletch_82000 " <fletch_8@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Group,

>

> Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

> who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

> better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

>

> I happened to talk to someone on Friday who said her daughter

worked

> in a radio station with mold and has been in poor health and had

her

> call me since she had found some improvement at an allergy center.

> She has the same problems my son has and he was referred to this

> place in LaCrosse WI and she says it has helped her greatly. She

> has had the same story of going to doctors who want to put her on

> anti-depressants because they think it is all in her head, but we

> know better. I am afraid of immunotherapy because they give small

> doses of the mold which I would think he gets everytime he steps

> outside, especially this time of year.

>

> This person who worked at the radio station was referred to

LaCrosse

> by a doctor who is in the same clinic as my son's doctor. I asked

> him about it and he pooh poohed the approach and said it was too

> experimental. He said the book I had of Mold Warriors was along

the

> same lines only to be corrected by me in that Dr.Shoemaker uses

> things to clear mold and toxins out as opposed to immunotherapy

> which puts molds in to desensitize the mold. The doctor then said

> our best course is to just stay on steroids and maybe go to the

> emergency room once a month and he may outgrow it enough later to

be

> an emergency room visit once every six months. I could not believe

> my ears. That is not an acceptable life my my son, a life of

> steroids and emergency room visits is not my definition of a life.

>

> Could those who have seen Dr.Shoemaker please give some updates for

> our forum?

>

> Here is the LaCrosse link:

> http://www.allergy-solutions.com/se3bin/cliente.cgi?

> websitename=school1000188

>

> Anyone familiar with this?

>

> Thanks,

> Fletch

[Guest guest]

Also, watch out for some probiotics!!! I know of one that has

aspergillus niger. Do not take it!!

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@a...>

wrote:

> --- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@y...>

wrote:

> >

> I am allergic to mold and candida albicans but I didn't have it until

> my mold house. Did the injections, steroids, diflican, sinus

surgery,

> inhalers, now imune system messed up and have the chemical asthma,

> reactive airways disease or mcs or what ever you want to call it.

[Guest guest]

Please can you give me that list, PLEASE! I am in Canada and cannot

get to the states to see any doctors there. I should know next week

the results of the testing (done by Environment and labour Dept.) at

the building where I worked. I have personally spoken to 5 people who

are off work on disability and are having the same tests as me(we all

have all different doctors)and several more that quit for medical

reasons. Help! Today I am aching all over and running a low fever, I

feel like crap! I am still on Slow K to replace Potassium levels and

am taking probiotics that has: L. rhamnosus 80%(4 billion), L.

acidophilus 10%(.5 billion), B. bifidum 10% (.5 billion) and also a

daily multi- vitamin. I am taking Tylenol for my headaches and achy

joints.

He needs to

> detoxify and take supplements to build his immunity back up. I

have

> gone from 0 to hero along with my wife in less than 4 weeks and we

> had brain fog, memory loss, concentration problems, headaches,

> chronic fatigue, mcs and fibromyalgia like stuff. I can give you

an

> exact list of supps and the brand to take with the reasoning if you

> want. I have spent almost 500 hours researching these things and I

> have answers!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi pizzahut,

> Also, watch out for some probiotics!!! I know of one that has

> aspergillus niger.

Can you tell us the name of that probiotic?

Sue ,

Upstate New York

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

>

> Just had two trips to the emergency room with my six year old son

> who has asthma on Thursday night and Friday morning and he is much

> better now, I call them hell nights, had a few this spring.

>

> I happened to talk to someone on Friday who said her daughter worked

> in a radio station with mold and has been in poor health and had her

> call me since she had found some improvement at an allergy center.

> She has the same problems my son has and he was referred to this

> place in LaCrosse WI and she says it has helped her greatly. She

> has had the same story of going to doctors who want to put her on

> anti-depressants because they think it is all in her head, but we

> know better. I am afraid of immunotherapy because they give small

> doses of the mold which I would think he gets everytime he steps

> outside, especially this time of year.

>

> This person who worked at the radio station was referred to LaCrosse

> by a doctor who is in the same clinic as my son's doctor. I asked

> him about it and he pooh poohed the approach and said it was too

> experimental. He said the book I had of Mold Warriors was along the

> same lines only to be corrected by me in that Dr.Shoemaker uses

> things to clear mold and toxins out as opposed to immunotherapy

> which puts molds in to desensitize the mold. The doctor then said

> our best course is to just stay on steroids and maybe go to the

> emergency room once a month and he may outgrow it enough later to be

> an emergency room visit once every six months. I could not believe

> my ears. That is not an acceptable life my my son, a life of

> steroids and emergency room visits is not my definition of a life.

>

> Could those who have seen Dr.Shoemaker please give some updates for

> our forum?

>

> Here is the LaCrosse link:

> http://www.allergy-solutions.com/se3bin/cliente.cgi?

> websitename=school1000188

>

> Anyone familiar with this?

>

> Thanks,

> Fletch

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

While I do understand that some people are merely allergic, rather than toxic -

how on earth does one proceed on the knowledge of only one or the other this

way? It seems that what would help one type, would harm the other - and without

testing for both, it's a total crapshoot.

Serena

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[Guest guest]

,

Who is your new doc and could you provide address of website? thanks

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@y...>

wrote:

> Hi, ,

>but the new doc I have has made it

> much easier for me to be in the home and tolerate the mold better,

while I get rid of it.

> His form of immunotherapy is sublingual, which IS effective against

mold allergies. The

> website has some medical papers to read on it, etc.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I can't, but I bet there are many. Always read the label when

buying probiotics. My doctor recommended for me to take Healthy

Trinity because the probiotics stick to your intestine like they are

supposed to. Most of them will help digest food they are taken with

then come out the other end. He did many tests on patients to see

this. Healthy Trinity is expensive, try vitacost.com, but is so worth

it in my opinion!

--- In , <rhbailey@d...>

wrote:

> Hi pizzahut,

>

> > Also, watch out for some probiotics!!! I know of one that has

> > aspergillus niger.

>

> Can you tell us the name of that probiotic?

>

> Sue ,

> Upstate New York

[Guest guest]

The problem is that most doctors only think it causes respiratory

symptoms and asthma as that is what they are told by the government

agencies who they rely on. It is only the very few, GOOD, doctors who

spend time researching and finding out reasons and cures for people.

How many doctors do you know that do more than just give you pills to

treat your symptoms. And if they were not pushing pills then do you

think the cute pharmaceutical sales rep girls would visit them and

offer them vacations and such?

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

> While I do understand that some people are merely allergic, rather

than toxic - how on earth does one proceed on the knowledge of only one

or the other this way? It seems that what would help one type, would

harm the other - and without testing for both, it's a total crapshoot.

>

>

>

>

> Serena

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>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Okay, this is going to take a bit of time. This is what has worked

for us!! First step is avoidance. If you notice any musty,earthy

smells, find out where they are coming from and get rid of them. If

you have older carpet, bye bye. If you have lots of dust, get rid of

it with only a hepa vaccuum with a bag. Dust will have mycotoxins

that stick to it and endotoxins in dust mite pooh. Both will make

you sick. Now, clean the air. The cheapest and best way we found is

to take MERV 11 filters and tape them on box fans. Only use MERV 11

not higher and get fans where the cord does not come out the middle

so you don't have to cut the filters. Change the filters every

month. Mold will get inside the filter and start to grow. You put

the filter on the back. I suggest many fans around the house

especially in the bedroom and wherever most time is spent. This

method is much cheaper than getting hepa air purifiers and throwing

away $40 filters monthly.

Next thing you need to do is detoxify your body. If you can't get

some CSM, cholestyramine, then the next best thing is to get

enterically coated charcoal. Like Charcoal Plus DS and drink lots of

water, lots! I was told to take 8 a day, all at once, an hour away

from any meds or food!! Drink prune juice daily so you don't get

stopped up. If you think you have too much yeast which will make it

impossible to get better, stick out your tongue. Is it whitish?

That's yeast!! I take nystatin 500,000 iu 2 pills a day, but I have

read some very good articles about oregano oil doing an even better

job. Do a search. You'll need a very good probiotic. I was told

that most go right through you and don't stick to your intestines

like they should, just helping digest food you just ate. This was

confirmed in tests I was told. My doctor recommended Healthy

Trinity. Next you'll want to think glutathione, don't buy

glutathione its precursors are better, but think it and research. It

also removes lots of toxins, all kinds including mercury from dental

amalgams.

I take 3 things to boost glutathione.

600mgs N-Acetyl-Cysteine 3x a day

300mgs Alpha Lipoic Acid 2x a day after eating is best!

Milk Thistle 1-2 a day

FISOL fish oils by Natures Way, they are enterically coated, if not

you'll get nasty fish burps!! I was told to take 4 3x a day. This

was to raise my low VEGF. If you have low VEGF, a little bit of

energy expenditure will leave you wiped out for possibly days. Here

is my thinking on other benefits of this, just my theory. FISOL has

DHA and EFA. Your brain is comprised of DHA which is a fat, fat

stores toxins. When you ingest lots of DHA, I believe, it pushes

either old DHA with toxins out or just the toxins out. Also, the

FISOL will make you much smarter. Side note, when I was in 5th-8th

grade I went to a gifted school where your IQ had to be at least 135

to get in. I am smarter today than I have ever been by far. I am

seriously considering a career in holistic medicine so I can help the

millions that need more than just their symptoms treated. I want to

cure people!!

Okay, back on subject. I take a Vitamin B complex with C in it as

well as 100mgs CoQ10 gels with E in them for energy. I also take 3-4

Grapefruit Seed Extract pills a day. My reasoning for this is that

I've read countless articles on how GSE is mixed with water and

sprayed on mold to kill it and it has other benefits, besides it was

cheap! Next I take 2 pills of Acetyl L Carnitine/Arginate for many

reasons, one of which is because it can rebuild nerve cells and I

have a herniated disc pressing on some of mine. I also take zinc

daily because it enhances immunity. Most importantly, and it isn't

cheap, is MGC-6, I took 4 a day for the first week then 2 a day. It

is a super immune booster like you would not believe. You don't need

MGC-7 as it is the same with added CoQ10 and you got that already

above.

Okay. now I have to warn you. That's in the range of $400 for a

month's supply for 2 people. It got my wife and I much better within

that time frame. You'll have to figure out how many pills for each

supplement that you'll need to figure out how much to order. All

supps that I did not specifically mention otherwise, are NSI. They

are the purest, strongest and cheapest you can get. Please link to

the nutrient site off of personalconsult.com as that is my physicians

site and he gets a small percentage of sales if you do. It does not

mark up your cost. Much of my knowledge has come from reading every

article, over 500 of them on his site and I only had to look one

place to find it while he looked at thousands! Also, read about the

NSI products to see why I believe they are the best and for all their

other uses. The supps I have listed do so much more good than what I

have told you already. The Charcoalplus DS, you will have to order

somewhere else though.

Another thing,you have to think of your sickness on the cellular

level. There is a whole world going on in every cell of your body!

This is why for many of us, people will say " You look fine " , when you

are far from it. Mold totally, totally screws up all cellular

processes. Most of the supps I have listed either supercharge your

immune system, take out toxins or aid either or both.

Finally, I'll suggest that before taking the expensive supps, take

the charcoal for 2 weeks and drink prune juice and lots of water to

allow for removal of toxins from your cells and body. Also, expect

to feel tired while toxins are being removed, get headaches etc. I

have especially noticed this with N-Acetyl-Cysteine. If you feel

really crappy I would back off the NAC first as it boosts your

glutathione the most. This does not happen to my wife like it does

to me, but she has no cavities and I have many mercury amalgams. My

theory is that the glutathione is removing lots of mercury toxins

which makes me feel horrible. Once in awhile, I will stop everything

but the CSM for a day if I am feeling bad and I will usually feel

great in less than 24 hours. This is normal and it's called a herx

or a herxheimer reaction!

Good Luck!

--- In , " msheeh02 " <msheeh02@e...>

wrote:

> Please can you give me that list, PLEASE! I am in Canada and cannot

> get to the states to see any doctors there. I should know next week

> the results of the testing (done by Environment and labour Dept.)

at

> the building where I worked. I have personally spoken to 5 people

who

> are off work on disability and are having the same tests as me(we

all

> have all different doctors)and several more that quit for medical

> reasons. Help! Today I am aching all over and running a low fever,

I

> feel like crap! I am still on Slow K to replace Potassium levels

and

> am taking probiotics that has: L. rhamnosus 80%(4 billion), L.

> acidophilus 10%(.5 billion), B. bifidum 10% (.5 billion) and also a

> daily multi- vitamin. I am taking Tylenol for my headaches and achy

> joints.

>

>

> He needs to

> > detoxify and take supplements to build his immunity back up. I

> have

> > gone from 0 to hero along with my wife in less than 4 weeks and

we

> > had brain fog, memory loss, concentration problems, headaches,

> > chronic fatigue, mcs and fibromyalgia like stuff. I can give you

> an

> > exact list of supps and the brand to take with the reasoning if

you

> > want. I have spent almost 500 hours researching these things and

I

> > have answers!!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank You!!! Just in time, I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow and

want to get him informed,(sometimes Doctors need to get educated by

their patients, LOL, luckily my doc is very open minded, thank god!).

Like you said, time to start researching and visit my friends at the

health food store to get price quotes. I probably cannot get some

things shipped from the states (S & H $$$). Thanks again, very much

appreciated.

[Guest guest]

> > While I do understand that some people are merely allergic,

rather than toxic - how on earth does one proceed on the knowledge

of only one or the other this way? It seems that what would help one

type, would harm the other - and without testing for both, it's a

total crapshoot.

> >

True, and testing to differentiate is the easiest thing in the world

to accomplish as I explained to Dr M seven years ago.

Take a contaminated hard surface non porous object (Like a pair of

green waterproof binoculars) to a " Safe location " , wash the crap out

of it and see if it still gives you hits.

If it does, even after vigorous washing - what the heck could

possibly be floating off in sufficient volume to give you an

antigenic response?

Narrows down the possibilities just a bit.

-

[Guest guest]

> While I do understand that some people are merely allergic, rather than toxic

- how on

earth does one proceed on the knowledge of only one or the other this way? It

seems that

what would help one type, would harm the other - and without testing for both,

it's a total

crapshoot.

>

>

>

>

> Serena

> www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

>

>

> ---------------------------------

Well, I don't assume I am " merely " allergic (my allergies were getting close to

being fatal),

as opposed to toxic. It is just that this very astute allergist knew much about

this kind of

thing from the allergic perspective, since he had spent the last nearly 40 years

working on

it in his practice.

Also, since the last Dr. I had seen labeled me a hypochondriac, and not

only was

respectful, he KNEW what was wrong with me, AND how to fix me, well, he can just

about

walk on water in my book.

When I started taking the Diflucan (prescribed my ) , I was sick in bed

for 3 and 1/2

weeks from the toxic reactions, which I found out about from this and other

boards, also

some ways to reduce the toxic load. The doc didn't mention that part of it,

which was ok,

he doesn't have to know everything to be helpful. I can find things out on my

own, I mean

from you all out here. I did alot of sweating and supplements, and other things,

which

helped. And his treatment hasn't been hurtful, in the sense that I am getting

sicker from it,

I am getting better week by week.

It may be that it would be more helpful to treat all 3 modalities at once, but I

can't do that.

At least I should say that I can't see all the doctors- it just isn't practical

for me. I am

seeing both the allergist, and my fave chiro doc gal, who has helped me

enormously with

supplements and de-tox, which has also been instrumental in getting back on my

feet.

At least until I get slammed again. But I do recover, which I was not doing

before.

My reality is that without treatment, my allergies will not get better. Shot

immunotherapy

didn't work, as the mold doesn't respond to it. But it is responding to the

sublingual

immunotherapy, and it only took a few months to see results.

It somehow doesn't make sense that it should work, but it working, for both me

and my

son.

[Guest guest]

> anyone try this?

>

>

> Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Techniques (NAET)

>

> " NAET has given new hope for patients with environmental

> allergies. Patients get permanent relief from their

> allergic symptoms without needle or drug. "

>

> http://www.naet.com/subscribers/

>

> http://www.naet.com/subscribers/sitemap.html

>

>

> Find a Practitioner:

>

> http://www.naet.com/subscribers/doctor.html

>

I had some friends tell me about other people they knew that had reversed

anaphylactic

allergies with this treatment. I was urged to try it, but there aren't many

practitioners

around here.

[Guest guest]

>

> > Hi, ,

> >but the new doc I have has made it

> > much easier for me to be in the home and tolerate the mold better,

> while I get rid of it.

> > His form of immunotherapy is sublingual, which IS effective against

> mold allergies. The

> > website has some medical papers to read on it, etc.

www.allergychoices.com

There are a few doctors there, mine is .

[Guest guest]

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

Well, I don't assume I am " merely " allergic (my

Sorry. Unfortunately turn of phrase there. That wasn't how I meant it. I meant

" only " the one type of mold illness as opposed to toxicity or both.

Serena

www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

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[Guest guest]

Pizzahutoxic,

What makes Healthy Trinity better?

I had something wrong with my throat when I was a child and just

buttermilk cleared it up. I don't think it is that tricky to get

probiotics to work. What is in it different than other probiotics?

Thanks

My doctor recommended for me to take Healthy

> Trinity because the probiotics stick to your intestine like they are

> supposed to. Most of them will help digest food they are taken with

> then come out the other end. He did many tests on patients to see

> this. Healthy Trinity is expensive, try vitacost.com, but is so

worth

> it in my opinion!

>

[Guest guest]

Well, first of all it's potency is guaranteed if you get it cold.

Besides that, my my doctor said he has tested people after putting them

on many different probiotics and he was not getting the expected

results on the tests. His theory was that the bacteria was not

sticking to the intestinal wall and this is what he suggested along

with something from Metagenics, not sure of the spelling. It's

expensive, but it has worked.

-- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@y...> wrote:

> Pizzahutoxic,

> What makes Healthy Trinity better?

> I had something wrong with my throat when I was a child and just

> buttermilk cleared it up. I don't think it is that tricky to get

> probiotics to work. What is in it different than other probiotics?

> Thanks

>

>

> My doctor recommended for me to take Healthy

> > Trinity because the probiotics stick to your intestine like they

are

> > supposed to. Most of them will help digest food they are taken

with

> > then come out the other end. He did many tests on patients to see

> > this. Healthy Trinity is expensive, try vitacost.com, but is so

> worth

> > it in my opinion!

> >