Re: The most basic rules of remediation for low funds

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Greg. The person I was referring to had had NO remediation done. The

company just came in and sprayed. As a follow-up to a good clean-up, I might not

have reacted one way or the other - especially if the result swere good. But as

a total rip-off of a very sick person, I'd do a lot more than just whine about

it!

Greg Weatherman <gw@...> wrote:All,

I had a conversation wiht KC and decided to post this info so people

can have some minimal and useful information.

1) If you can't get good testing done before and after remediation,

at least specify the environmental must be dust free. This is one

way to check for physical removal techniques.

2) Get the insurance certificates of any consultants or contractors

before any final payments are given.

3) Do not let a contractor write a scope of work or remediation

plan and/or pretest unless they can show professional (errors &

ommisions) insurance. The same goes for consultants.

4) Do not let any contractor paint or seal anything until they have

satisfied post testing requirements. Covering mold/bacteria with

paint is not remediation.

5) Buy Bob s's book on post remediation verification and get

my wording for post testing goals for contracts signed before any

remediation work begins. Indoor/outdoor comparisons are BS. (BS is

short for BAD SCIENCE or something that may get censored.)

6) The contractor must not charge for any additional cleaning or

testing if they fail the first post test.

7) Do not listen to govenment officials about pretesting and post

testing because those FOOLS do not pay my insurance and will not be

there to defend me inh civil court. I'm sorry if I seem short but,

those G-men to to go pound sand when they ignore the fact reputable

contractors and consultants have standard operating procedures

required by thier insurance carriers if they want their policies to

be in effect (just like the customers want it too).

8) Biocides are a wonderful thing when used correctly.

9) Every method or procedure for remediation is for the goal

of " physical removal " . I use a biocide. I even use a misting or

fogging technique wiht this biocide. I can let a person test behind

me by qPCR testing. This test verifies I am using " physical

removal " .

(I really don't want to hear anyone's whining about my methods until

they can pass by qPCR with very sick people. Anyone who thinks they

can do better, do the test and prove it with sick people before you

rant on this chatboard. I'll have human health data in the future.)

10) Misting water or soapy water will not clean the air since the

water will evaporate very fast. Bleach water also has this problem

for a misting agent.

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington Va 22202

gw@...

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[Guest guest]

What biocide(s) do you use?

KatrinaM

> All,

>

> I had a conversation wiht KC and decided to post this info so people

> can have some minimal and useful information.

>

> 1) If you can't get good testing done before and after remediation,

> at least specify the environmental must be dust free. This is one

> way to check for physical removal techniques.

>

> 2) Get the insurance certificates of any consultants or contractors

> before any final payments are given.

>

> 3) Do not let a contractor write a scope of work or remediation

> plan and/or pretest unless they can show professional (errors &

> ommisions) insurance. The same goes for consultants.

>

> 4) Do not let any contractor paint or seal anything until they have

> satisfied post testing requirements. Covering mold/bacteria with

> paint is not remediation.

>

> 5) Buy Bob s's book on post remediation verification and get

> my wording for post testing goals for contracts signed before any

> remediation work begins. Indoor/outdoor comparisons are BS. (BS is

> short for BAD SCIENCE or something that may get censored.)

>

> 6) The contractor must not charge for any additional cleaning or

> testing if they fail the first post test.

>

> 7) Do not listen to govenment officials about pretesting and post

> testing because those FOOLS do not pay my insurance and will not be

> there to defend me inh civil court. I'm sorry if I seem short but,

> those G-men to to go pound sand when they ignore the fact reputable

> contractors and consultants have standard operating procedures

> required by thier insurance carriers if they want their policies to

> be in effect (just like the customers want it too).

>

> 8) Biocides are a wonderful thing when used correctly.

>

> 9) Every method or procedure for remediation is for the goal

> of " physical removal " . I use a biocide. I even use a misting or

> fogging technique wiht this biocide. I can let a person test behind

> me by qPCR testing. This test verifies I am using " physical

> removal " .

>

> (I really don't want to hear anyone's whining about my methods until

> they can pass by qPCR with very sick people. Anyone who thinks they

> can do better, do the test and prove it with sick people before you

> rant on this chatboard. I'll have human health data in the future.)

>

> 10) Misting water or soapy water will not clean the air since the

> water will evaporate very fast. Bleach water also has this problem

> for a misting agent.

>

> Regards,

>

> Greg Weatherman

> aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

> Arlington Va 22202

>

> gw@a...

[Guest guest]

Indoor/outdoor comparisons are BS. (BS is short for BAD SCIENCE or

something that may get censored.)

> > Greg Weatherman

> > aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

> > Arlington Va 22202

Hurray!

You're an IAQ traitor now. Next you'll be challenging the entire

spore counting concept! Since that's inherently unreliable and

misleading too.

a, as you know, " normies " aren't bothered by mold much at all.

" responders " can employ conventional, or perhaps even novel and

aggressive remediation technologies with success.

None of this applies to me. I am too " Hyper " .

On the other CFS list, as with so many CFSers that I've observed,

you have given me the clues consistent with Hyperness.

(See? we respond to " Mold Hype " )

What you need to see, I would have to give you the " Incline Village

Mold tour " to convey.

Words take too much time and the observations are subtle.

Nothing like a demonstration.

-

[Guest guest]

Katrina,

I use Sporicidin Brand Disinfectant Solution (EPA reg. # 8383-3).

the active ingredient system is the same as a very well known sore

thoat spray (FDA product) that children age 2 and older can use.

The dilution is ever so slightly stronger but, nobody is going to

squirt Sporicidin down their throat. The only negative to the

product is the odor will linger for about 3 days. I have been using

this product consistently since 1997.

To the part time toxicologists: get " all " the facts before you rant.

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

*******************************************

--- In , " kattemayo " <kattemayo@y...>

wrote:

>

> What biocide(s) do you use?

>

> KatrinaM

>

> --- In , " Greg Weatherman " <gw@a...>

wrote:

> > All,

> >

> > I had a conversation wiht KC and decided to post this info so

people

> > can have some minimal and useful information.

> >

> > 1) If you can't get good testing done before and after

remediation,

> > at least specify the environmental must be dust free. This is

one

> > way to check for physical removal techniques.

> >

> > 2) Get the insurance certificates of any consultants or

contractors

> > before any final payments are given.

> >

> > 3) Do not let a contractor write a scope of work or remediation

> > plan and/or pretest unless they can show professional (errors &

> > ommisions) insurance. The same goes for consultants.

> >

> > 4) Do not let any contractor paint or seal anything until they

have

> > satisfied post testing requirements. Covering mold/bacteria

with

> > paint is not remediation.

> >

> > 5) Buy Bob s's book on post remediation verification and

get

> > my wording for post testing goals for contracts signed before

any

> > remediation work begins. Indoor/outdoor comparisons are BS. (BS

is

> > short for BAD SCIENCE or something that may get censored.)

> >

> > 6) The contractor must not charge for any additional cleaning

or

> > testing if they fail the first post test.

> >

> > 7) Do not listen to govenment officials about pretesting and

post

> > testing because those FOOLS do not pay my insurance and will not

be

> > there to defend me inh civil court. I'm sorry if I seem short

but,

> > those G-men to to go pound sand when they ignore the fact

reputable

> > contractors and consultants have standard operating procedures

> > required by thier insurance carriers if they want their policies

to

> > be in effect (just like the customers want it too).

> >

> > 8) Biocides are a wonderful thing when used correctly.

> >

> > 9) Every method or procedure for remediation is for the goal

> > of " physical removal " . I use a biocide. I even use a misting

or

> > fogging technique wiht this biocide. I can let a person test

behind

> > me by qPCR testing. This test verifies I am using " physical

> > removal " .

> >

> > (I really don't want to hear anyone's whining about my methods

until

> > they can pass by qPCR with very sick people. Anyone who thinks

they

> > can do better, do the test and prove it with sick people before

you

> > rant on this chatboard. I'll have human health data in the

future.)

> >

> > 10) Misting water or soapy water will not clean the air since

the

> > water will evaporate very fast. Bleach water also has this

problem

> > for a misting agent.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Greg Weatherman

> > aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

> > Arlington Va 22202

> >

> > gw@a...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg: thanks for sharing. As always my mind is like a dry sponge

wanting to learn. Just did a google on your Sporicidin. Active ingredients

Phenol (7.05% Carbolic Acid) and Sodium Phenate.

http://www.kellysolutions.com/ia/showproductinfo.asp?Product_Name=SPORICIDIN+COL\

D+STERLIZING+SOLUTION & EPA_Id=8383%2D5

Course the " inert " ingredients are not listed.

According to this is seems to work on non-porous surfaces rather than porous

surfaces.

While Googling found several references that the product did not meet the

written claims. Has the formulation been changed to be effective as they

claim since the 1991 seizure of the products? Here's one:

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00113.html

Product: Sporicidin Cold Sterilizing Solution, Sporocidin-HD,

Sporicidin brand Disinfectant Solution, Sporicidin

brand Disinfectant Spray and Sporicidin Disinfectant

towelettes (used to sterilize or disinfect certain

medical instruments, equipment and fiberoptics used in

endoscopic surgery, anesthesiology and respiratory

therapy) (91-585-880).

Charge: The products failed effectiveness tests, lacked FDA

clearance for labeling claims and were a danger to

health.

Firm: Sporicidin Company, Rockville, land (firm's

headquarters); Multi-Modal Freight Systems (a distribution

warehouse), Baltimore, land; and Chem-Mix, Inc.

a contract manufacturing facility), borough,

Tennessee.

Filed: December 13, 1991 - U.S. District Court for the District

of land, Civil #MJG 91-3542, FDC #66265; U.S.

District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee,

Northern Division, Civil #2-91-416, FDC #66263.

Seized: December 13, 1991. Joint venture involving FDA with the

Environmental Protection Agency, the Federal Trade

Commission and the U.S. Attorney's offices in Baltimore,

land, and Nashville, Tennessee.

Here's another link:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1370/is_n4_v27/ai_13708706

Just my petals of thoughts, just because a chemical is included in an OTC

drug does not make that OCT drugs safe. Anyone interested in reading a 43

page pdf report from World Health Organization how to treat cold/flu in

children under 5 and have knowledge of some side effects of popular OTC

agents please take a look at

http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-health/New_Publications/CHILD_HEALTH/WHO_FCH\

_CAH_01.02.pdf

Greg, I'm not coming against you, please don't take my above references

personal; my only concern is learning more and also finding solutions that

work and are safe if it all possible for all of us.

Rosie

[] Re: The most basic rules of remediation for low

funds

> Katrina,

>

> I use Sporicidin Brand Disinfectant Solution (EPA reg. # 8383-3).

> the active ingredient system is the same as a very well known sore

> thoat spray (FDA product) that children age 2 and older can use.

> The dilution is ever so slightly stronger but, nobody is going to

> squirt Sporicidin down their throat. The only negative to the

> product is the odor will linger for about 3 days. I have been using

> this product consistently since 1997.

>

> To the part time toxicologists: get " all " the facts before you rant.

>

> Regards,

>

> Greg Weatherman

>