Re: Trinity parents protest handling of school mold

[Guest guest]

They should all pull their kids out of school, call Shoemaker and get

an attorney. There should be a very small fraction of mold spores

inside compared to outside since air filters take out spores. Also, I

read abou how you can possibly test for toxin differential between

inside and outside air. They can identify the exact toxins with Mass

Spectrometry and Gas Liquid Chromotograph I believe it was. So here

is my idea. When they say there are 10,000 spores inside and 20,000

outside, get the types and amount of each toxin analyzed in the

samples so you can clearly show that the mold inside is way, way

worse. Just an idea!!

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@y...>

wrote:

> Saturday, October 1, 2005

> Washington,PA

>

> Trinity parents protest handling of school mold

> BY CHRISTIE CAMPBELL, Staff writer

>

> chriscam@o...

> http://www.observer-reporter.com/285237789361558.bsp

>

> Fearing their children may have health problems related to mold

> inside Trinity West Elementary School, a handful of parents

> protested near the school Friday.

>

> As school buses carrying students left the grounds in North

lin

> Township, the mothers called on the administration to move their

> children to other schools or house them in temporary classrooms.

>

> " They don't care, " as said of the administration. She

> said efforts to get school officials to take necessary steps to

> ensure their children's health have been unsuccessful.

>

> Dr. Turnbaugh, Trinity School District superintendent, did

> not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment. However,

> the district has removed carpeting from 10 classrooms and taken

> temporary measures to encapsulate the mold. District officials also

> did air sampling and determined the mold spore count inside the

> school was lower than that outside. The district also plans to

> replace all the insulation at the end of the year.

>

> as charged that the encapsulating product will not prevent the

> mold from spreading. She produced a letter from the Co. of

> Vadnais Heights, Minn., that recommends its products for sealing

> asbestos, not mold encapsulation.

>

> The women also claim protective measures were not taken when

> carpeting was lifted in the building, thus spreading the spores

even

> further. They fear mold remains in heating ductwork and will become

> more of a hazard once heat is turned on inside the building.

>

> McGarvey, a spokesman for the state Department of Health

> said no state agency regulates mold inside school buildings,

> although the department has been in touch with the school district

> and made recommendations for dealing with the problem.

>

> " We get these complaints fairly often, especially in the first

> couple weeks of school, " he said, noting that buildings left vacant

> during the summer without running ventilation enables the mold to

> grow.

>

> Symptoms of mold exposure would include upper respiratory problems

> such as runny eyes and noses, sinus infections and sore throats, he

> said.

>

> The women said those are exactly the symptoms their children are

> suffering from.

>

> Shaw said when her 10-year-old daughter returned to school

> this year she immediately got a rash.

>

> " I feel sick sending my kids to school every day, " she said.

[Guest guest]

<pizzahutoxic@y...> wrote:

> They should all pull their kids out of school, call Shoemaker and

get an attorney. There should be a very small fraction of mold spores

inside compared to outside since air filters take out spores. <

What if the air outside IS laden with a sufficiency of toxic spores to

create " Sick Area Syndrome " ?

Does it really matter if the spores you inhale are surrounded by walls

or not?

Can you take an outside area which is " Safe " because the spore count

is slightly lesser than inside and make it " Unsafe " by putting up

temporary walls so as to make the " outside spores " believe they

are " inside spores " ?

They saw fit to remark about this at concourse B at Reno Tahoe airport.

I was just there a few hours ago and it felt like crap outside. Didn't

bother to go in. Been there and done it.

-

10/2/03

Reno, NV - Black mold has turned up at the Reno airport. But officials

say the toxic fungus in Concourse B has been sealed off and poses no

health threat until it cam be professionally removed in a couple of

weeks.

A worker discovered the mold while repairing sections of interior wall

in November. The mold was found beneath windows at gates B-7 and B-9,

which still are being used by passengers.

Employees and vendors were informed of the environmental investigation

in a November 21st memo. Workers sealed the mold inside the wall with

thick plastic and rubber caulk, then covered the access holes with

plaster board.

Tests later showed that air outside the terminal had more of the black

mold spores than the air inside. The two gates are used by Southwest

Airlines and Northwest Airlines. They remain open.

Last Updated (Tuesday, 05 July 2005)

[Guest guest]

Pizzahut,

It's not the mold spores that get you sick, it's the mycotoxins that

are produced by. You can suck out all the mold spores you want, if

you don't get rid of the source it's not going to help you any and

the kids will continue to get sick in time.

KC

> > Saturday, October 1, 2005

> > Washington,PA

> >

> > Trinity parents protest handling of school mold

> > BY CHRISTIE CAMPBELL, Staff writer

> >

> > chriscam@o...

> > http://www.observer-reporter.com/285237789361558.bsp

> >

> > Fearing their children may have health problems related to mold

> > inside Trinity West Elementary School, a handful of parents

> > protested near the school Friday.

> >

> > As school buses carrying students left the grounds in North

> lin

> > Township, the mothers called on the administration to move their

> > children to other schools or house them in temporary classrooms.

> >

> > " They don't care, " as said of the administration. She

> > said efforts to get school officials to take necessary steps to

> > ensure their children's health have been unsuccessful.

> >

> > Dr. Turnbaugh, Trinity School District superintendent,

did

> > not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

However,

> > the district has removed carpeting from 10 classrooms and taken

> > temporary measures to encapsulate the mold. District officials

also

> > did air sampling and determined the mold spore count inside the

> > school was lower than that outside. The district also plans to

> > replace all the insulation at the end of the year.

> >

> > as charged that the encapsulating product will not prevent

the

> > mold from spreading. She produced a letter from the Co.

of

> > Vadnais Heights, Minn., that recommends its products for sealing

> > asbestos, not mold encapsulation.

> >

> > The women also claim protective measures were not taken when

> > carpeting was lifted in the building, thus spreading the spores

> even

> > further. They fear mold remains in heating ductwork and will

become

> > more of a hazard once heat is turned on inside the building.

> >

> > McGarvey, a spokesman for the state Department of Health

> > said no state agency regulates mold inside school buildings,

> > although the department has been in touch with the school

district

> > and made recommendations for dealing with the problem.

> >

> > " We get these complaints fairly often, especially in the first

> > couple weeks of school, " he said, noting that buildings left

vacant

> > during the summer without running ventilation enables the mold

to

> > grow.

> >

> > Symptoms of mold exposure would include upper respiratory

problems

> > such as runny eyes and noses, sinus infections and sore throats,

he

> > said.

> >

> > The women said those are exactly the symptoms their children are

> > suffering from.

> >

> > Shaw said when her 10-year-old daughter returned to school

> > this year she immediately got a rash.

> >

> > " I feel sick sending my kids to school every day, " she said.

[Guest guest]

I know it is the mycotoxins that make you sick. I was looking at it

from the perspective of proving that there is more poison inside than

outside so those in charge must do something. Remember, I said they

should pull their kids out, I didn't say anything about putting them

back there. If I had kids there I'd be home-schooling them!!

> > > Saturday, October 1, 2005

> > > Washington,PA

> > >

> > > Trinity parents protest handling of school mold

> > > BY CHRISTIE CAMPBELL, Staff writer

> > >

> > > chriscam@o...

> > > http://www.observer-reporter.com/285237789361558.bsp

> > >

> > > Fearing their children may have health problems related to mold

> > > inside Trinity West Elementary School, a handful of parents

> > > protested near the school Friday.

> > >

> > > As school buses carrying students left the grounds in North

> > lin

> > > Township, the mothers called on the administration to move

their

> > > children to other schools or house them in temporary

classrooms.

> > >

> > > " They don't care, " as said of the administration.

She

> > > said efforts to get school officials to take necessary steps to

> > > ensure their children's health have been unsuccessful.

> > >

> > > Dr. Turnbaugh, Trinity School District superintendent,

> did

> > > not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

> However,

> > > the district has removed carpeting from 10 classrooms and taken

> > > temporary measures to encapsulate the mold. District officials

> also

> > > did air sampling and determined the mold spore count inside the

> > > school was lower than that outside. The district also plans to

> > > replace all the insulation at the end of the year.

> > >

> > > as charged that the encapsulating product will not prevent

> the

> > > mold from spreading. She produced a letter from the Co.

> of

> > > Vadnais Heights, Minn., that recommends its products for

sealing

> > > asbestos, not mold encapsulation.

> > >

> > > The women also claim protective measures were not taken when

> > > carpeting was lifted in the building, thus spreading the spores

> > even

> > > further. They fear mold remains in heating ductwork and will

> become

> > > more of a hazard once heat is turned on inside the building.

> > >

> > > McGarvey, a spokesman for the state Department of

Health

> > > said no state agency regulates mold inside school buildings,

> > > although the department has been in touch with the school

> district

> > > and made recommendations for dealing with the problem.

> > >

> > > " We get these complaints fairly often, especially in the first

> > > couple weeks of school, " he said, noting that buildings left

> vacant

> > > during the summer without running ventilation enables the mold

> to

> > > grow.

> > >

> > > Symptoms of mold exposure would include upper respiratory

> problems

> > > such as runny eyes and noses, sinus infections and sore

throats,

> he

> > > said.

> > >

> > > The women said those are exactly the symptoms their children

are

> > > suffering from.

> > >

> > > Shaw said when her 10-year-old daughter returned to

school

> > > this year she immediately got a rash.

> > >

> > > " I feel sick sending my kids to school every day, " she said.

[Guest guest]

This is , not sickoutside areas. J/K

Problem here is it is hard enough to get these bastards to do

something about inside stuff. Outside spores would be impossible at

this point to win a case over I believe. I'm not saying they don't

make you sick, but who could be held liable to remedy the situation?

> > They should all pull their kids out of school, call Shoemaker and

> get an attorney. There should be a very small fraction of mold

spores

> inside compared to outside since air filters take out spores. <

>

>

> What if the air outside IS laden with a sufficiency of toxic spores

to

> create " Sick Area Syndrome " ?

> Does it really matter if the spores you inhale are surrounded by

walls

> or not?

> Can you take an outside area which is " Safe " because the spore

count

> is slightly lesser than inside and make it " Unsafe " by putting up

> temporary walls so as to make the " outside spores " believe they

> are " inside spores " ?

>

> They saw fit to remark about this at concourse B at Reno Tahoe

airport.

> I was just there a few hours ago and it felt like crap outside.

Didn't

> bother to go in. Been there and done it.

> -

>

> 10/2/03

>

> Reno, NV - Black mold has turned up at the Reno airport. But

officials

> say the toxic fungus in Concourse B has been sealed off and poses

no

> health threat until it cam be professionally removed in a couple of

> weeks.

>

> A worker discovered the mold while repairing sections of interior

wall

> in November. The mold was found beneath windows at gates B-7 and B-

9,

> which still are being used by passengers.

>

> Employees and vendors were informed of the environmental

investigation

> in a November 21st memo. Workers sealed the mold inside the wall

with

> thick plastic and rubber caulk, then covered the access holes with

> plaster board.

>

> Tests later showed that air outside the terminal had more of the

black

> mold spores than the air inside. The two gates are used by

Southwest

> Airlines and Northwest Airlines. They remain open.

>

>

>

> Last Updated (Tuesday, 05 July 2005)

[Guest guest]

" pizzahutoxic " < wrote:

> This is , not sickoutside areas. J/K

> Problem here is it is hard enough to get these bastards to do

> something about inside stuff. Outside spores would be impossible at

this point to win a case over I believe. I'm not saying they don't

make you sick, but who could be held liable to remedy the situation?

>

Yup!

Liability is one thing, and reality is another.

And the reality is that mold sufferers are made sick by mold whether

it is enclosed by walls or not. It's just that the association with

indoor illness is easier to make.

After fighting all the way to prove that indoor environments can make

mold responders ill, the next battle will be to demonstrate that

sickoutside areas are just that.

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