Re: I need to explain to people what's troubling me but no book is quite appropr

[Guest guest]

> The book you want is " Mold Warriors " by Dr Ritchie Shoemaker.

> http://personalconsult.com/MoldWarriorsMain.html

>

> It's more than the anecdotal stories like so many mold books.

> Mold Warriors explains the science behind mold illness and

> introduces testing methods for physicians that allow identification

> of the inflammatory markers.

Thank you . I've heard good things about that book, but I don't

know if it tackles the cases such as mine? I live in a house where no

visible mold growth can be observed, no moldy smell, nothing

perceptible with five senses, yet since I'm so sensitive to even small

amounts of spores and mycotoxins I suffer from cross-contamination all

the time while other people aren't noticing anything whatsoever and my

stories seem like bad science fiction to them.

Another thing which I think is different in my case is that I recover

my health pretty quickly as soon as there is no exposure to mold for

several days. Therefore I doubt the mold has caused some permanent

damage to my body which could be detected by the tests proposed in

that book. But who knows?

> But while you are reading Mold Warriors, hit your friends with the

> Bible references. I find this usually makes an impression.

> -

I live in a country (Serbia, Europe) where religion doesn't play such

a significant role as in the US and people are generally unimpressed

by anything you can quote them from the Bible. Anyway even those

examples from the Bible refer to cases when mold has grown so much as

to be already visible.

Here people will believe only the scientists and doctors, but

unfortunately 99,9% of them are totally and utterly ignorant about

toxic molds and what problems they can cause.

Branislav

[Guest guest]

Branislav,

There is plenty of research that is easily available to you, many

that have been peer reviewed. I apologize that the files here are

not in the order they should be and kept up todate. This websites

domain (I guess that's the correct term) is not really setup for

large amounts of stored information. They only allow you very little

amounts of MBs. But I will tell you were you can excess it, with all

that you need and up to date. www.mold-help.org

You can also try www.mycotoxicosis.com that one is only three

pages and is fairly easy reading. It gives you the names of the

molds, the toxins they produce, what organs they effect and

references. This is very valuable.

I hope this helps,

KC

>

> > The book you want is " Mold Warriors " by Dr Ritchie Shoemaker.

> > http://personalconsult.com/MoldWarriorsMain.html

> >

> > It's more than the anecdotal stories like so many mold books.

> > Mold Warriors explains the science behind mold illness and

> > introduces testing methods for physicians that allow

identification

> > of the inflammatory markers.

>

>

> Thank you . I've heard good things about that book, but I don't

> know if it tackles the cases such as mine? I live in a house where

no

> visible mold growth can be observed, no moldy smell, nothing

> perceptible with five senses, yet since I'm so sensitive to even

small

> amounts of spores and mycotoxins I suffer from cross-contamination

all

> the time while other people aren't noticing anything whatsoever

and my

> stories seem like bad science fiction to them.

>

> Another thing which I think is different in my case is that I

recover

> my health pretty quickly as soon as there is no exposure to mold

for

> several days. Therefore I doubt the mold has caused some permanent

> damage to my body which could be detected by the tests proposed in

> that book. But who knows?

>

>

>

> > But while you are reading Mold Warriors, hit your friends with

the

> > Bible references. I find this usually makes an impression.

> > -

>

> I live in a country (Serbia, Europe) where religion doesn't play

such

> a significant role as in the US and people are generally

unimpressed

> by anything you can quote them from the Bible. Anyway even those

> examples from the Bible refer to cases when mold has grown so much

as

> to be already visible.

>

> Here people will believe only the scientists and doctors, but

> unfortunately 99,9% of them are totally and utterly ignorant about

> toxic molds and what problems they can cause.

>

>

>

> Branislav

[Guest guest]

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@y...>

wrote:

> Branislav,

>

> There is plenty of research that is easily available to you, many

> that have been peer reviewed. I apologize that the files here are

> not in the order they should be and kept up todate. This websites

> domain (I guess that's the correct term) is not really setup for

> large amounts of stored information. They only allow you very

little

> amounts of MBs. But I will tell you were you can excess it, with

all

> that you need and up to date. www.mold-help.org

>

> You can also try www.mycotoxicosis.com that one is only three

> pages and is fairly easy reading. It gives you the names of the

> molds, the toxins they produce, what organs they effect and

> references. This is very valuable.

>

> I hope this helps,

Thanks KC.

I knew about the first site (mold-help.org), but not about the second

one. I'll check it out as well.

I think www.mold-help.org is good for general information and it

really does list lots of references, be it books or scientific

journals. But there's one big drawback - it is " only a website on the

Internet " . People here want you to show them a book written by a

scientist, not a website. (Rationale: " Anyone can write just about

anything on the Internet nowadays, it doesn't mean it is true. They

probably just want to sell you some stuff. " )

*sigh*

As for the counterpart site www.mold-survivor.com I am a bit puzzled

by its content. It seems they want to list products and companies for

mold remediation that meet their strict criteria, but I couldn't find

any information about simple mold removal methods and products one can

use by himself. Sure, if the mold problem is very large it should be

left to experts, but a few pieces of advice about common chemicals

that do work (borax, salt, tea tree oil etc.) should have been

published there IMHO.

[Guest guest]

" Branislav " :

> Thank you . I've heard good things about that book, but I don't

> know if it tackles the cases such as mine? I live in a house where

no visible mold growth can be observed, no moldy smell, nothing

> perceptible with five senses, yet since I'm so sensitive to even

small amounts of spores and mycotoxins I suffer from cross-

contamination all the time while other people aren't noticing

anything whatsoever and my stories seem like bad science fiction to

them.

>

You've come to the right place.

Pity you missed out on all the recent discussions in which I

addressed these very issues - especially the lack of odor and cross

contamination difficulties. Important to understand these

characteristics if you really want to master the situation.

But the messages are all there just waiting to be read.

Dr Shoemaker included my story in Mold Warriors because I am one of

the survivors of the Incline Village CFS epidemic which brought

the " CFS " phenomenon to public awareness, and I told the doctors

about the mold connection from the very beginning.

Not only that, but I developed an " extreme avoidance " protocol

which took me out of the most aggressive antiviral program available

only to AIDS patients and returned to mountain climbing in a

spectacular demonstration of the " avoidance effect " .

Send me an Email and I'll show you some pictures.

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