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In a message dated 9/3/00 10:41:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MBrayley@...

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<< I'm forwarding this note that I received from a friend to see if anyone

has

heard of this. My friend is seeing a sensory expert for her son with Downs

Syndrome. She won't hear of a possibility of Autism existing , but I do

just

knowing him. She doesn't believe has it either, but has only been

around him on good days and feels that all his school situations have

caused

his problems. This is good info though, and I'm glad she is dealing with

the

sensory issues. She's a smart lady and a good friend.

>>

You have to resend it . It didn't go through.

Donna

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I can't find the original EMail but it has to do with Audiograms and sound

sensitivity.

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O.K. thanks anne..bev.

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Hi Lou,

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter having the worst case of PMS. How long

has this been going on for, and is she having any other problems with her

period? I hope that all of you will be feeling better real soon and please know

that I'm always here if you ever want to talk. ((((Hugs)))) right back at ya.

Kristy

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Hi Terry,

Thank you for the thanks! :-)

Have a great evening!

Love, Liz

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It may be semantics but please do crunches or decline sit-ups and avoid

regular sit-ups. See the book for form. The March issue has the Ab

Bootcamp which has other useful exercises and a killer routine. Watch that

back and discontinue immediately if your back protests. Good form as

always is critical. Kit

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Jen S what's your biggest problem on the 6 meals? planning ahead is the

key and staying on schedule of course. Mid day and evening workouts take

additional time. rather than eat one less meal I would sacrifice time

between meal and the workout and time after the workout. six meals is very

important. you can add cardio and make up for not doing the morning

workout. Kit

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Jen S what's your biggest problem on the 6 meals? planning ahead is the

key and staying on schedule of course. Mid day and evening workouts take

additional time. rather than eat one less meal I would sacrifice time

between meal and the workout and time after the workout. six meals is very

important. you can add cardio and make up for not doing the morning

workout. Kit

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Thanks for the abs routine. Do you do all of them on one day? How long

does it take you? Kit

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One can also save time for the 6 meals by (a) working out between

meals (though still on an empty stomach - work out right when you'd

normally be having that next meal), and then ( eating a *carb-free*

meal immediately after working out.

Andy

> Jen S what's your biggest problem on the 6 meals? planning ahead

is the

> key and staying on schedule of course. Mid day and evening

workouts take

> additional time. rather than eat one less meal I would sacrifice

time

> between meal and the workout and time after the workout. six meals

is very

> important. you can add cardio and make up for not doing the morning

> workout. Kit

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You are very welcome Ian, now just keep us posted on all the new

muscle you will be growing OK. Train smart and smile BIG

" Taz "

- In bodyforlife@y..., ianjs@c... wrote:

> Wow, I just found this web group today. Didn't know anyone

> would respond so quickly. Thanks for Anythony's web page, and

> good luck to you too. -Ian

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Hi Raquel: I too share your fear of medication for

children, but nontheless we have cautiously moved

forward trying small doses of various medications at

different times. Paxil was so stimulating for my son

that he had total insomnia and we were frightened that

he would do impulsive things like open the windows and

climb out. We have tried just about every stimulant

that is on the market and fortunately we have one now

that is working very well for him, his antidepressant

is working for him also. You are to be commended for

being so flexible with your son. For many years we

(and my sons Doctors) were not sure if he was

suffering from ODD as well as AD/HD and OCD or if it

was anxiety that was making him so oppositional, hence

life for all of us was a series of constant melt

downs, blow ups, behavioural strategy changes and

family strife!. After much trial and error we have

found that it is anxiety and he is doing much better,

with the addition of Buspar and CBT to his life and

ours. I also want to add that if it wasn't for Prozac

working for my son, he would have had to be

institutionalized indefinitely as therapy was

impossible for him without medication, and so would

life in general! Hang in there, as you have already

found this group has a wealth of knowledge and

experience and each member is great about bolstering

us up whenever we need it!

--- raquel_ross@... wrote:

> Thank you everyone who responded. I'm feeling

> better today - I let

> my son stay home from school today and he slept

> until 11:30 am.

> Sometimes he just needs that mental health day to

> de-stress

> himself. I know I sure need those - just hard to

> get them

>

> Now that I've found this group, I'll be staying.

>

> For the med question - yes, anti-depressants would

> be much better

> than stimulants. But the way his body over-reacts

> to medicines

> makes me scared to try meds...and his psych agrees

> that we have to be

> careful if/when we go that route. With dexedrine he

> had the rare

> side-effects of stomache pain (thought it was

> appendicitis),

> blurriness, dizziness, lethargy - and that was from

> one pill! From

> albuterol (for asthma when he was younger) he had

> night terrors. I

> personally took prozac for 3 years (depression

> treatment from 91-94)

> and support the use of anti-depressants but worry

> about over

> medicating kids. btw - he also took tenex and

> clonidine at different

> times for his ADD. No meds at this time.

>

> We've been looking for support groups for him

> too...even though I

> think his OCD may be relatively mild in comparison

> to others...it is

> still frightening - I constantly have to remind him

> he is not crazy.

>

> Thanks again

> Raquel

>

>

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Kay: Congratulations on the new job! Let us know how

it goes.

Judi

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" amazed " <am-azed@...>

Since this is your sons first week without meds, I would procede with

caution! I still do believe that he needs to be treated as anyone else, but

with consideration that depression and ocd can distort his understanding and

capabilities.

I would reinforce that since he is not participating in change, then neither

are you! He might roller coaster or become very depressed over the next 2-3

weeks, so be prepared with an emergency plan if he becomes suicidal or

excessively aggitated.

most of all, TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

wendy in canada

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>Thanks for your kind suggestions. Just to clarify, this last week is the

>first in seven years that he has not been medicated. Prior to this, he was

>on 100 mg Zoloft and 1mg Risperdol but his depression is still a major

>factor even though we had increased the Zoloft to 150 mg for awhile but

>found this made him more agitated.

>The Risperdol was suppose to help with that (agitation) and sleep. It did

>help with sleep but seems to not have the same effect now despite an

>increase.

>>I would like to increase his CBT, however, it is costly and if there is no

>>motivation, I feel caught between a rock and a hard spot.

>>Any further thoughts?

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HI amazed:

Part of the CBT therapist's job is to establish a therapeutic alliance

with our kids and help them get on track with doing E & RP. If

the depression is severe and untreated, then this is a hard job for even

the most talented therapist.

We have paid lots of money for CBT and I know it is expensive.

However it does help, even the months Steve went and did no CBT helped

him to recognize that this was the way out of the mess that OCD has

steered him into. Please do not give up, keep trying, find a

therapist who enjoys a challenge and will find ways to help your son get

going with E & RP. Sometimes to get them going it helps to let

them know you are not pushing them and they are in the driver's seat

about getting going. It also gets us out of the way of nagging them

about doing E & RP. Teens naturally don't want to do what their

parents want, and when it is aversive too, we have to guard against

making it an easy way to rebel against us.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (h0

kathyh@...

At 07:59 AM 04/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks for your kind

suggestions. Just to clarify, this last week is the first in seven years

that he has not been medicated. Prior to this, he was on 100 mg Zoloft

and 1mg Risperdol but his depression is still a major factor even though

we had increased the Zoloft to 150 mg for awhile but found this made him

more agitated.

The Risperdol was suppose to help with that (agitation) and

sleep. It did help with sleep but seems to not have the same effect now

despite an increase.

I would like to increase his CBT,

however, it is costly and if there is no motivation, I feel caught

between a rock and a hard spot.

Any further

thoughts?

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Thanks for the big welcome. My parents house is right off of Elmer HIll

Rd.!!! I'm really trying to figure a way to get home this summer.

Actually, my friend in TX (she has 3 girls) says she wants to make a road

trip and suggested this: she'll drive to ND, get me and my two girls, then

head to NY. Can you imagine 7 girls in one minivan for that long??? It'll

be a blast!! Then, we'll stay at my parents camp on Oneida lake for the

summer! I miss her terribly. We were great friends in Germany and talk just

about every day. I hope we get to go. P.S. I'm a smoker too!!!!

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Oneida Lake isn't that far from me!! WOW think of all the mini gatherings we could have this summer.

Yikes-O-Rama... 7 of anything in a mini van is too much for me!!

Keep us posted about the trip

Terri

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Thanks for the big welcome. My parents house is right off of Elmer HIllRd.!!! I'm really trying to figure a way to get home this summer.Actually, my friend in TX (she has 3 girls) says she wants to make a roadtrip and suggested this: she'll drive to ND, get me and my two girls, thenhead to NY. Can you imagine 7 girls in one minivan for that long??? It'llbe a blast!! Then, we'll stay at my parents camp on Oneida lake for thesummer! I miss her terribly. We were great friends in Germany and talk justabout every day. I hope we get to go. P.S. I'm a smoker too!!!!Our members maphttp://.homestead.com/locations.htmlOur Message Boardhttp://www.voy.com/21568/Special Invite for membershttp://soapwerks.com/martinrectangle.htmAll posts to this list are copyrighted by post author. They may NOT be forwarded, copied, or used in anyway without the permission of the post author with the exception of answering posts to this list. Posts are personal opinions only.

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Pam,

I love to hear you (or any mom) talk about their kids, especially identical twins, as individuals and valuing each thing they bring into the world. I feel in the minority of the moms here in Spokane, to not group mine as a pair, but as two distinct and wonderful children. Thanks, I needed that!

Casey, mom to (DS) and , 18 mo.

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I want to thank all of you for your good wishes for my dad. It is going to be a long summer getting him back on his feet. Right now I am just praying his surgery goes well. I would appreciate all the prayers you are willing to give. Have a great time at the gathering. I will be with you in spirit.

Thanks, Kathy

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Ooooooooooooooooooooo purdy!!!!!

Deb

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Your Welcome ! Hope some of them give you the answers you are looking for.

Please keep us in touch...

{{{ Blessed Hugs }}}

Helen

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It seems to me that a lot of ASD girls are anxious while a lot of ASD boys

have a lot of behavioral problems. While I am not agoraphobic anymore, I do

have panic disorder and social anxiety disorder, both severe and both not

able to be treated successfully with medication. I see a psychologist.

Has any ASD girl's anxiety been treated successfully with alternative

methods like herbs or something?

~

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be

normal. " -Albert Camus

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Look forward to comparing

notes lol as unlike the ASD boys I know is a very anxious child, who

spend most of her time hiding away, she is unable to cope with even walking

outside the house and is pushed in a special needs buggy, just wondering if

this is a thing just for girls as most of the boys I know are very

boisterous and in your face. I can honestly say I have never seen

approach anyone other than immediate family

anyrate rambled on enough

take care

Jane

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Hi Jane,

Are you from the UK? You talked of having a statement and 1-to-1

support in mainstream school, which is the same as my daughter (10).

Yes I think you are right that the female form of autism does seem to be

more a quiet, introverted thing. avoids talking to people her own

age whenever possible! Today as I left her at the school gate a boy yelled

after her " , hang on " , and you should have seen her speed up LOL!!

Happily she is quite chatty with grown-ups she knows well, especially my

best friend - when she comes round monopolises her.

Debbie

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Hi Debbie,

Yes I'm in the UK we live in a small village in Norfolk, and so far is

coping well in mainstream it is a small local school which my eldest

daughter attends aswell ( lol my little spy). AT the moment

communicate by whispering to her 1-1 and I did have a giggle at your post

cause we have the same thing, every morning the kids say hello to and

you can see her physically shrinking, head down shoulders hunched to avoid

looking at them let alone speaking. But at home she can drive me mad listing

all the different breeds of dogs lol not many she doesn't know. The school

tells me is quite bright but will only do her work if there is some

animal involved, for example she counts farm animals instead of beads she

will only look /try to read books with animals in, ofcourse this does tend

to interfere with her learning and today I was told she actually ripped some

work up as it had no animals in it, and then hid under the table cause the

other kids looked her her. hates to be the centre of attention. Are

you in the UK??

anyrate must dash, take care

Jane

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Thanks so much to all of you for your words of encouragement. We're still

hanging in there, still cramping, still no bleeding.

You've given me more hope than I had, with your stories. and camlo (?

sorry, didn't see a signature) -- I had no idea you could do this for a whole

pregnancy and be okay.

, did you have to do bedrest with Caelan while Grace was running

around? I thought six weeks total bedrest was torture -- you did it for a

WHOLE pregnancy? What a woman. I didn't know they even DID that!! I told my

husband, " I have good news and bad news! " The good news being that a

pregnancy can withstand this sort of upset (I had assumed your water would

always break from the stress of the contractions). The bad news being that

there IS such a thing as six months of bedrest!

-- the baby was right for dates, two days ahead in fact, just like

was. I'm hoping that means no chromosomal abnormalities, right? If we

make it to 16 wks, we may do amnio just to put us out of our misery. We

always swore we'd never do amnio because there's no point (we'd never abort

so why risk it), but now we just want to know to ease our minds. We're also

planning to do the new 3-D ultrasound.

As an update, went to the doc at 11am Thurs, terrible cramping all day, and

they couldn't find a heartbeat with the doppler!!!!! It was a fairly dreary

four hours until we could get an ultrasound, we all assumed the worst. Baby

looked fine! After all the activity and such Thursday, amazingly I had a good

Friday... not much cramping, not enough to have ever called a doc about.

Today some wierd pains, maybe ligaments? Sore tummy, aching burning feeling

that turns to a cold-like sensation, not like cramps or contractions. ??

Still never been a drop of blood. Feeling fairly confident now though there

still is also intermittent sort-of-cramping sensations too.

Tons of stress happening, found out our mold-remediated condo will be ready

NEXT FRIDAY. How do I buy all new furniture (beds, couches, dining chairs all

had to be destroyed) pack, move, unpack, sell the place and buy a new one on

BEDREST???? Umm... you can't. Had mini-nervous breakdown (!) then set about

trying to figure it out. Well, I'm crossing my fingers this cramping

continues to abate and they'll wean me off bedrest enough to at least go test

drive a couch. Obvirously someone else will have to do everything else. Not

the best situation but not the worst either, should be happy I don't have to

do everything for once, right!!???

had to go back to the ped today (DH took her. It's only the 2nd time in

her life I didn't take her to the doc, I didn't like missing it but Daddy was

happy to get the chance!) to recheck her sinus infection and they want to do

another 10 day course of Omnicef. She looks better but is complaining that

the medicine " didn't fix it yet " .

Well, that's enough rambling from me. Thanks again!

(mom to , 3yrs old, polysaccharide antibody def)