Thanks

[Guest guest]

Think I might becouse I'm just getting older and hep is not going

away. I always use condoms to reduce the risk of the hep being

spred. Any other sugestions on how I can have sex and not spread my

little hep C joy.

> Thanks for the info on sex and hep and spread of it.

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Well the "specialists" say that IF You are in a monogamous relationship that you dont have to worry as much as you should if you are having multiple sex partners. So if you are not in a committed relationship, I think using the comdoms ALWAYS is the best thing you can do..and of course to let any partner know of your hep c so they can make an INFORMED choice or not whether to have sex or not. In MY mind, that is the only responsible thing to do, but each of us must do what our own conscience tells us... Yep, the hep is not going to go away,, you can only put it in remission with tx if you can tolerate treatment. I was very lucky, I did tx and did reach SVR,, last Feb was my 2 year PCR and I was still undetectible, Im hoping to be the same in a couple of months when I do my 3 year PCR... Stay in touch hon,, and Good luck, God Bless and Merry Christmas! jackiefowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@...>

wrote: Think I might becouse I'm just getting older and hep is not going away. I always use condoms to reduce the risk of the hep being spred. Any other sugestions on how I can have sex and not spread my little hep C joy.> Thanks for the info on sex and hep and spread of it.> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found the support you need with us. > > If you are using email for

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Well if TX is needed I'm real lucky. Mine hit remition on it's own

no TX. Well I am trying to suduce for say this one guy make it a

one guy thing, but just havent got to it yet.

> > Thanks for the info on sex and hep and spread of it.

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you

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Well IF you put it into remission, then that is a blessing in and of itself,, so many ppl become chronic and it takes a long time to try to beat it back and stop the progression of this disease. IF you are trying to make this relationship as real one, I wish you well and I hope it turns out as you want it to,, but in the meantime, please continue to use condoms, its not just HEPC that we have to be worried about,, good luck honey, jaxfowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@...> wrote: Well if TX is needed I'm real lucky. Mine hit remition on it's own no TX. Well I am trying to suduce for say this one guy make it a one guy thing, but just havent got to it yet.> > Thanks for the info on sex and hep and spread of it.> > > > > > > > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you > have found the

support you need with us. > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our > group, just click the link-- > Hepatitis C/> > > > Happy Posting > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks I will. I have been thinking about looking into the female

condom. Anyone ever use them?

-- In Hepatitis C , Jackie on

<redjaxjm@y...> wrote:

>

> Well IF you put it into remission, then that is a blessing in and

of itself,, so many ppl become chronic and it takes a long time to

try to beat it back and stop the progression of this disease. IF

you are trying to make this relationship as real one, I wish you

well and I hope it turns out as you want it to,, but in the

meantime, please continue to use condoms, its not just HEPC that we

have to be worried about,,

> good luck honey,

> jax

>

> fowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@y...> wrote:

> Well if TX is needed I'm real lucky. Mine hit remition on it's

own

> no TX. Well I am trying to suduce for say this one guy make it a

> one guy thing, but just havent got to it yet.

>

>

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I can honestly say that I have never looked at one, I have been married now more than 5 years to the most wonderful man and we just dont use them since we have been married, before we just used the regular ole trojans.. so let us know if you try one out and how it is,, I think they are a good idea but never knew anyone who used one, so make sure and let us know as Sex is an important part of life and those of us with hep need to be aware of those things.. and besides Im just very interested myself,, thanks and I hope all works out well for you honey! jackiefowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@...> wrote: Thanks I will. I have been thinking about looking into the female condom. Anyone ever use them?-- In Hepatitis C , Jackie on <redjaxjm@y...>

wrote:>> Well IF you put it into remission, then that is a blessing in and of itself,, so many ppl become chronic and it takes a long time to try to beat it back and stop the progression of this disease. IF you are trying to make this relationship as real one, I wish you well and I hope it turns out as you want it to,, but in the meantime, please continue to use condoms, its not just HEPC that we have to be worried about,, > good luck honey,> jax> > fowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@y...> wrote:> Well if TX is needed I'm real lucky. Mine hit remition on it's own > no TX. Well I am trying to suduce for say this one guy make it a > one guy thing, but just havent got to it yet.> > > > > Thanks for the info on sex and hep and

spread of it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope > you > > have found the support you need with us. > > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our > > group, just click the link-- > > Hepatitis C/> > > > > > Happy Posting > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Yea I think when I have money I'll check them out. Hear there like

$20-30 a box for like 6 real costly there supose to go down.

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WOW ,, thats a lot,, and I suppose they are disposable and one use only, or at least I would hope so, lol,, let us know when you find out more about them,, ok? Thanks jackiefowlereagles2004 <fowlereagles2004@...> wrote: Yea I think when I have money I'll check them out. Hear there like $20-30 a box for like 6 real costly there supose to go down.> > > > Thanks for the info on sex and hep and spread of it.> > > > > > > >

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Hear, hear!!

A. Simpson, DC

Vice President, Medical Director

Complementary Healthcare Plans

6600 SW 105th Avenue, Suite 115

Beaverton, OR 97008

503-619-2041

csimpson@...

THANKS

Docs,

Many thanks to Dr. Freeman for establishing this listserve and to

all the doctors participating this year.

Lily Roselyn, DC

Tillamook

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be

tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent,

unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lily,

Thanks for the " thanks. " Just for the record, the OregonDCs e-list arose from a

bunch of e-mail addresses that Dr. Les Feinberg had collected and was using for

group communiques. I merely stole his group of around 100-120 e-dresses and made

a Group out of them in October of 1999. Now we have 240 members and there

have been almost 18,000 messages posted (2000 of which have been about milk, and

the remainder have been from Dr. Abrahamson).

I know that I have learned quite a bit from the e-list and when I have had an

opportunity to meet a doc whose name I know from the e-list it is like seeing an

old friend.

Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Kwanzaa, etc. to all, and keep

writing.

Freeman

THANKS

Docs,

Many thanks to Dr. Freeman for establishing this listserve and to

all the doctors participating this year.

Lily Roselyn, DC

Tillamook

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be

tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent,

unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

:

So, if milk

is so bad, why doesn’t the bible refer to the “land of soy protein

and honey”? And, is Dr. Abrahamson actually getting funnier, or are

my humor standards just getting beaten down? My inquiring mind needs to know.

Let me add

my wishes for the happiest of holiday seasons and a prosperous and abundant New

Year to everyone on the listserve, and to thank you, , for this valuable

digital community you have created.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From:

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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005

7:23 AM

;

mfreeman@...

Subject: THANKS

Docs,

Many thanks to Dr. Freeman for

establishing this listserve and to

all the doctors participating this year.

Lily Roselyn, DC

Tillamook

[Guest guest]

Hi Les,

Your question is good ... it is one I get often. My relply has to do with the fact that milk was not as available then as now ... no refrigeration, pasteurization etc. Cows gave off their 1 - 2 quarts/day not the 24 that is the current daily norm. (Makes my boobs hurt just to think about it.) Milk was obtained from the animal and consumed. End of story. Most of it went to the motherless children, less to the adults.

today, Americans use dairy in numerous forms, a half of dozen times a day, everyday, for 6 - 9 decades. Beyond the daily assault by the large amounts of the proteins, milk in America today contains 59 hormones, 52 antibiotices (some illegal to be given to humans), pesticides, herbicides, bacteria, viruses, blood,pus and feces....just a shade different than in Moses' time.

....my 2 cents on that issue (for the 2002nd posting on that issue!)

And yes, THANKS to all of you who participate in this forum ... there is more to medicine than science and it is good to have a place where we can debate on those issues as well as the science issues.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: " S. Feinberg, D.C." <feinberg@...>< >Subject: RE: THANKSDate: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:44:53 -0800

:

So, if milk is so bad, why doesn’t the bible refer to the “land of soy protein and honey”? And, is Dr. Abrahamson actually getting funnier, or are my humor standards just getting beaten down? My inquiring mind needs to know.

Let me add my wishes for the happiest of holiday seasons and a prosperous and abundant New Year to everyone on the listserve, and to thank you, , for this valuable digital community you have created.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LILY ROSELYNSent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:23 AM ; mfreeman@...Subject: THANKS

Docs,Many thanks to Dr. Freeman for establishing this listserve and toall the doctors participating this year.Lily Roselyn, DCTillamookOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Yes ,

Thanks for your foresight and willingness to serve. I just received an overwhelming response to a clinical question that saved me and my patient time and energy helping him with his problem and all because of this wonderful listserve.

Namaste,allen

Knecht DC Namaste Chiropractic

1809 NW

Portland, OR 97209

503-226-8010

From: "Dr. Freeman" <drmfreeman@...>Reply-"Dr. Freeman" <drmfreeman@...> Subject: Re: THANKSDate: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:36:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00)Hi Lily,Thanks for the "thanks." Just for the record, the OregonDCs e-list arose from a bunch of e-mail addresses that Dr. Les Feinberg had collected and was using for group communiques. I merely stole his group of around 100-120 e-dresses and made a Group out of them in October of 1999. Now we have 240 members and there have been almost 18,000 messages posted (2000 of which have been about milk, and the remainder have been from Dr. Abrahamson).I know that I have learned quite a bit from the e-list and when I have had an opportunity to meet a doc whose name I know from the e-list it is like seeing an old friend.Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Kwanzaa, etc. to all, and keep writing. Freeman-----Original Message-----From: LILY ROSELYN <metta@...>Sent: Dec 14, 2005 7:23 AM , mfreeman@...Subject: THANKSDocs,Many thanks to Dr. Freeman for establishing this listserve and toall the doctors participating this year.Lily Roselyn, DCTillamookOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Glad you liked this one, ! I enjoy it too, and

should do it soon. So many workouts...so little time!

Donna

--- Sprague <kittyn@...> wrote:

> Whoever recommended Method Standing Pilates – thank

> you. I previewed it

> first and said well it looks like it works the legs

> good but I wonder about

> that core. Did it today as an add on workout and it

> was hard on the legs and

> it wasn’t until I stopped moving that I felt the

> soreness in the core.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I keep saying something similar when I

look at new workouts to buy. It is so hard to resist a new workout. I was

looking at the Kickbutt workouts and thinking I need these, but I wonder how I

would fit them into my routine. I’ve been liking basic weight work without

cardio lately – I don’t mind mixing my cardio with weights but

lately I’ve wanted to really feel the muscles working. When I can

do step aerobics again I’m not sure how to fit the Firms in the routine

anymore. I really like to work out two hours a day (because I’ve found that

this helps me release stress and combat depression) But for some reason I

just love The Firm workouts – the older ones more of course but even the

newer ones are fun. There are so many workouts I would love to squeeze

into my schedule. Today I am doing Gym Style Back Shoulders and Biceps. It was

my rest day but I took that Saturday instead. But it still is just that

and some yoga maybe. I did my knee work already. I just love

working out – I think I need more hours in the day so I can add more

workouts lol

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Donna M-P

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006

7:31 PM

Subject: Re:

Thanks

Glad you liked this one, ! I enjoy it too,

and

should do it soon. So many workouts...so

little time!

Donna

--- Sprague <kittyn@...>

wrote:

> Whoever recommended Method Standing Pilates

– thank

> you. I previewed it

> first and said well it looks like it works

the legs

> good but I wonder about

> that core. Did it today as an add on workout

and it

> was hard on the legs and

> it wasn’t until I stopped moving that I

felt the

> soreness in the core.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

wendy, it doesnt hurt to have a few circuit/interval workouts with cardio and weights to do twice a week. you can do your two body parts a day routine and just add on one of those firm workouts at the end of the week for like a total body cardio/weight routine. its why i keep the firms around so once in a while i can mix it up. but i do hear you on just weight lifting its pretty awesome to exhaust the muscles without jumping and sweating(well as much). i plan on some more firm workouts but that is it for cardio/weight workouts. i do lke the looks of the kickbutt collection though. fusing 4 different types of workouts in one hour a day program. they are just to expensive for the set when i can get some of the older firm titles at collage and i only want 3 anyway. kassia

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Kassia,

I do have quite a few Firm workouts.

I haven’t used them since I hurt my knee. I used to do Firm rotations: a mostly

sculpt workout then a mostly cardio workout, repeat 3 times rest. And I used

Pilates, dance aerobics and yoga as add-ons or I’m not feeling that great

so I’ll do this instead workouts. I’m sure I won’t be

able to step that much for a while. But I was thinking of adding the mostly

cardio Firms into my Cardio Mix schedule for March. I haven’t finished

designing that one because I want to see if the knee can handle the step. I’m

seeing rapid improvement in the knee now but I can’t really count on that

continuing (I can hope) This knee work is the hardest for me because it is not

really fun. Even if I put some good music on it is not fun. And I feel stupid

for putting it off so long. I should have started months ago and by now I would

be stepping again. The good thing about waiting so long is it is all

healed just weak. So its not pain I feel just weakness.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kassia

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006

2:13 AM

Subject: RE:

Thanks

wendy,

it doesnt hurt to have a few circuit/interval workouts

with cardio and weights to do twice a week. you can do your two body parts a

day routine and just add on one of those firm workouts at the end of the week

for like a total body cardio/weight routine. its why i keep the firms around so

once in a while i can mix it up. but i do hear you on just weight lifting its

pretty awesome to exhaust the muscles without jumping and sweating(well as

much). i plan on some more firm workouts but that is it for cardio/weight

workouts. i do lke the looks of the kickbutt collection though. fusing 4

different types of workouts in one hour a day program. they are just to

expensive for the set when i can get some of the older firm titles at collage

and i only want 3 anyway.

kassia

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[Guest guest]

with some of the newer firms that i have its pretty low impact or you can modify to low-impact until your knee strenghtens up. i hurt my knee a while back too and couldn't do cardio for almost a month. drove me nuts LOL kassia Sprague <kittyn@...> wrote: Kassia, I do have quite a few Firm workouts. I haven’t used them since I hurt my knee. I used to do Firm rotations: a mostly sculpt workout then a mostly cardio workout, repeat 3 times rest. And I used Pilates, dance aerobics and yoga as add-ons or I’m not feeling that great so I’ll do this instead workouts. I’m sure I won’t be able to step that much for a while. But I was thinking of adding the mostly

cardio Firms into my Cardio Mix schedule for March. I haven’t finished designing that one because I want to see if the knee can handle the step. I’m seeing rapid improvement in the knee now but I can’t really count on that continuing (I can hope) This knee work is the hardest for me because it is not really fun. Even if I put some good music on it is not fun. And I feel stupid for putting it off so long. I should have started months ago and by now I would be stepping again. The good thing about waiting so long is it is all healed just weak. So its not pain I feel just weakness.

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[Guest guest]

Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

2 weeks just being extra strict.

Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

loss

I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

Thank YOU!

>

> Thanks ! I really appreciate your feedback!

>

> So, basically, you followed BFL as described in the book for the

> first 10 weeks (including Betagen) and then made the changes you

> describe below for the last 2 weeks to lean out and be ready for

> photo day?

>

> I understand the part about being careful with your carbs because

> they hold so much water but what's the deal with excluding dairy?

>

> Congratulations on your fortitude and great success!! Hopefully

> things are still going well for you (something tells me they

are)!

>

> Thanks again,

> Elise )

[Guest guest]

Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

2 weeks just being extra strict.

Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

loss

I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

Thank YOU!

>

> Thanks ! I really appreciate your feedback!

>

> So, basically, you followed BFL as described in the book for the

> first 10 weeks (including Betagen) and then made the changes you

> describe below for the last 2 weeks to lean out and be ready for

> photo day?

>

> I understand the part about being careful with your carbs because

> they hold so much water but what's the deal with excluding dairy?

>

> Congratulations on your fortitude and great success!! Hopefully

> things are still going well for you (something tells me they

are)!

>

> Thanks again,

> Elise )

[Guest guest]

Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

2 weeks just being extra strict.

Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

loss

I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

Thank YOU!

>

> Thanks ! I really appreciate your feedback!

>

> So, basically, you followed BFL as described in the book for the

> first 10 weeks (including Betagen) and then made the changes you

> describe below for the last 2 weeks to lean out and be ready for

> photo day?

>

> I understand the part about being careful with your carbs because

> they hold so much water but what's the deal with excluding dairy?

>

> Congratulations on your fortitude and great success!! Hopefully

> things are still going well for you (something tells me they

are)!

>

> Thanks again,

> Elise )

[Guest guest]

If you do the no salt cottage cheese, I hope it still doesn't have

sodium! Yikes, I never thought to look.

At 09:48 PM 4/13/2006, you wrote:

>Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

>2 weeks just being extra strict.

>

>Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

>1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

>2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

>3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

>loss

>

>I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

>whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

>

>Thank YOU!

>

[Guest guest]

If you do the no salt cottage cheese, I hope it still doesn't have

sodium! Yikes, I never thought to look.

At 09:48 PM 4/13/2006, you wrote:

>Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

>2 weeks just being extra strict.

>

>Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

>1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

>2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

>3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

>loss

>

>I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

>whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

>

>Thank YOU!

>

[Guest guest]

If you do the no salt cottage cheese, I hope it still doesn't have

sodium! Yikes, I never thought to look.

At 09:48 PM 4/13/2006, you wrote:

>Exactly...BFL by the book through the whole challenge, with the last

>2 weeks just being extra strict.

>

>Dairy was taken out for a few reasons -

>1. It can cause puffiness/bloat

>2. My main dairy item - cottage cheese - has tons of sodium

>3. The natural sugars in dairy are said to be bad for maximum fat

>loss

>

>I didn't believe in any of those enough to take dairy out during the

>whole challenge, just the extra-picky final 2 weeks.

>

>Thank YOU!

>