Re: Re:Gosio's Disease:Re:MDF-500

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Serena,

MDF-500 Part A - Active Ingredients: Alkyl (50% C14, 10% C16, 40% C12,) Dimethyl

benzyl ammonium chlorides: 3.2%;

MDF-500 Part B - Active Ingredients: Hydrogen Peroxide: 7.95%.

This mixture of a quat and hydrogen peroxide (I believe used as a fog and/or

foam) was developed a few years ago to deal with anthrax spores. Its only

intended use is for solid surfaces!!

See

http://www.deconsolutions.com/pdf_Files/MDF%20EPA%20LABEL%20-%20MDF500%20June%20\

2005.pdf

I would not recommend it because quats themselves can cause sensitization. A

quat is nothing more than a type of detergent (also used as fabric softener and

on dryer sheets), though it does have value as a disinfectant. Similarly,

hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant. Neither would have any effect on most

mycotoxins. If anything, the mixture, which breaks open cells and solubilizes

components, could increase the availability of mycotoxins.

May

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>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT)

>From: SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...>

>Subject: Re:Gosio's Disease:Re:Car protection

>Jeff - would you (or Carl or Doc Lipsey) please comment on the effectiveness of

>MDF-500 as regards mycotoxins?

>A friend has tried having this applied at home at a cost of several hundred

>dollars in the hopes that it would be effective in the absence of any other

>remediation. It would be helpful if you could confirm my contention that this

>type of treatment - even if it killed mold on contact - cannot be effective

>against mycotoxins on fabric surfaces, or paper goods, and most particularly

>when the mold has simply been painted over and left in the home. (I called it a

> & ^* & ^! ripoff, myself.)

>Thanks In Advance,

>Serena

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Jeff! My friend is complaining that everything is sticky and

gooey, so that, I assume is caused by the carrier they use. Apparently, they

blasted the stuff over every surface in the place. Despite problems with

misinformed press releases posted here, there IS reason to be wary of these

kinds of operators!

jeff@... wrote:Serena,

MDF-500 Part A - Active Ingredients: Alkyl (50% C14, 10% C16, 40% C12,) Dimethyl

benzyl ammonium chlorides: 3.2%;

MDF-500 Part B - Active Ingredients: Hydrogen Peroxide: 7.95%.

This mixture of a quat and hydrogen peroxide (I believe used as a fog and/or

foam) was developed a few years ago to deal with anthrax spores. Its only

intended use is for solid surfaces!!

See

http://www.deconsolutions.com/pdf_Files/MDF%20EPA%20LABEL%20-%20MDF500%20June%20\

2005.pdf

I would not recommend it because quats themselves can cause sensitization. A

quat is nothing more than a type of detergent (also used as fabric softener and

on dryer sheets), though it does have value as a disinfectant. Similarly,

hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant. Neither would have any effect on most

mycotoxins. If anything, the mixture, which breaks open cells and solubilizes

components, could increase the availability of mycotoxins.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT)

>From: SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...>

>Subject: Re:Gosio's Disease:Re:Car protection

>Jeff - would you (or Carl or Doc Lipsey) please comment on the effectiveness of

>MDF-500 as regards mycotoxins?

>A friend has tried having this applied at home at a cost of several hundred

>dollars in the hopes that it would be effective in the absence of any other

>remediation. It would be helpful if you could confirm my contention that this

>type of treatment - even if it killed mold on contact - cannot be effective

>against mycotoxins on fabric surfaces, or paper goods, and most particularly

>when the mold has simply been painted over and left in the home. (I called it a

> & ^* & ^! ripoff, myself.)

>Thanks In Advance,

>Serena

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Jeff@...

[Guest guest]

Serena,

This is from the PDF file:

DIRECTIONS FOR USE:

MODEC DECON FORMULA – " MDF " is a binary (two part) system. Before use, mix equal

parts of MDF PART A and MDF PART B. Apply the newly mixed solution as a spray

onto hard nonporous surfaces as directed below.

It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent

with its labeling. The product is designed specifically as a general cleaner and

disinfectant for use in homes, hospitals, and commercial facilities. It is

formulated to disinfect hard, non-porous, inanimate environmental surfaces such

as floors, walls, metal surfaces, stainless steel, porcelain, glazed ceramic

tile, plastic surfaces, bathrooms, shower stalls, bathtubs, and cabinets. May be

used in the kitchen on counters, sinks, appliances and stovetops.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

www.mayindoorair.com

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[Guest guest]

So, the bottom line is, these people knowingly and willingly violated federal

law, made false claims, and to top it all off, soaked my friends' place and

everything in it with a whole new collection of toxins. And he was already very

ill, and had told them so. Sweet...grrrr!

jeff@... wrote:Serena,

This is from the PDF file:

DIRECTIONS FOR USE:

MODEC DECON FORMULA – " MDF " is a binary (two part) system. Before use, mix equal

parts of MDF PART A and MDF PART B. Apply the newly mixed solution as a spray

onto hard nonporous surfaces as directed below.

It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent

with its labeling. The product is designed specifically as a general cleaner and

disinfectant for use in homes, hospitals, and commercial facilities. It is

formulated to disinfect hard, non-porous, inanimate environmental surfaces such

as floors, walls, metal surfaces, stainless steel, porcelain, glazed ceramic

tile, plastic surfaces, bathrooms, shower stalls, bathtubs, and cabinets. May be

used in the kitchen on counters, sinks, appliances and stovetops.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

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Jeff@...

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

I wondered if the chemestry used in the remediation of my apartment which seems

some what the same as the one you are discusing on this site is considered safe

to use?....Every time I entered my apartment during the remediation I would get

a metal taste in my mouth and felt light headed. My landlord got it from the

company hired to do the cleaning. He used it profusely on everything without

notifying me he was doing so. I figured it out because of the smell, my reaction

to the chemicals, and the residue I found on my belongings.

Didecyl dementhyl ammonium Chloride 5.0%

Alkyl C14 50%, C12 40%, c16 10% = 13.38

Dimenthyl Benzyl 3.38

Ammonium chloride 91-55

I think I got this right because I was very sick when I copied this off the

bottle that was sitting in the middle of my living room.

Skye

jeff@... wrote:

Serena,

This is from the PDF file:

DIRECTIONS FOR USE:

MODEC DECON FORMULA – " MDF " is a binary (two part) system. Before use, mix equal

parts of MDF PART A and MDF PART B. Apply the newly mixed solution as a spray

onto hard nonporous surfaces as directed below.

It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent

with its labeling. The product is designed specifically as a general cleaner and

disinfectant for use in homes, hospitals, and commercial facilities. It is

formulated to disinfect hard, non-porous, inanimate environmental surfaces such

as floors, walls, metal surfaces, stainless steel, porcelain, glazed ceramic

tile, plastic surfaces, bathrooms, shower stalls, bathtubs, and cabinets. May be

used in the kitchen on counters, sinks, appliances and stovetops.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

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