Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick since it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything out there that doesn't hurt you??? http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html May 20, 2002 Volume 80, Number 20 CENEAR 80 20 p. 45 ISSN 0009-2347 WHAT'S THAT STUFF? NEW CAR SMELL VOCs account for the characteristic 'newness' STEVE RITTER There's something about the smell of a new car. To many people, the leathery, plasticky aroma that hits you when you slide behind the wheel is a pleasurable scent. Seductive. Perhaps even addictive. On the other hand, to a few people the smell is malodorous, particularly to someone who has an acute chemical sensitivity. SMELL OF THE ROAD Brown sets up monitoring equipment to measure total VOCs in a car. CSIRO PHOTO Exactly what gives rise to new car smell? The answer, not surprising to chemists, is a complex mixture of volatile organic compounds (VOCs), primarily alkanes and substituted benzenes along with a few aldehydes and ketones. Nearly every solid surface inside a vehicle is a fabric or plastic that is held together in part with adhesives and sealers. Outgassing of residual solvents and other chemicals from these materials leads to a dilute sea of VOCs floating about in the passenger compartment. The same holds true for new airplanes, homes, and offices. A standard measure for automakers is to keep the gross amount of VOCs emitted by the textiles and flexible plastics low enough to prevent repeated fogging of window interiors. Each car manufacturer has its own standard for total VOCs in cars, one car company spokesman says, but he is unaware of any government standards regulating air quality inside new vehicles. Individual components of new car smell probably aren't harmful at the concentrations found in cars, but the cumulative effects of long-term exposure to the total mix of VOCs could pose health problems. Fortunately, high concentrations of these compounds quickly dissipate just a few months after manufacture. And although VOC concentrations can reach unhealthy levels in a closed vehicle on a warm day, the air-exchange rate in a car is high when someone opens a door, rolls down a window, or turns on the air conditioner. Measurements for window fogging don't provide a breakdown of the chemical composition of air in new cars, however. Commentators in the media and on the Internet, as well as auto industry chemists contacted by C & EN, ascribe the pleasant scent of new car smell mostly to phthalate plasticizers used in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) or other plastics. However, bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate, generally used in PVC, is not very volatile. And the few publicly avail-able studies that identify VOCs in new cars don't report phthalates among the primary components of the total VOC mixture. One such study, reported this past December, was carried out by K. Brown and Min Cheng of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO). The study took a look at VOCs in three new 1998 vehicles by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry analysis of air samples taken from the cars after they had been sealed for several hours. The cars were resampled at various intervals for up to two years. The CSIRO researchers detected 30 to 40 VOCs in the cars, the most prevalent being toluene, acetone, xylenes, styrene, 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene, various C5 to C12 alkanes, ethylbenzene, and ethylene glycol butyl ether. Total VOC concentrations for the cars were initially as high as 64 mg per m3 of air. For one of the cars, which was a few weeks older because it had been imported, the initial total VOC level was 2.1 mg per m3. These values correspond to the parts-per-million to parts-per-billion range. As a comparison, the report notes that total VOCs in the indoor air of new buildings is on average 20 to 40 mg per m3, while established buildings have VOC levels generally below 1 mg per m3. Negative sensory effects--headaches; drowsiness; nausea; respiratory distress; and eye, nose, and throat irritation--are likely to occur at concentrations above about 10 mg per m3, according to the report. The total VOC concentrations in the cars fell off exponentially over time, the CSIRO researchers note, reaching about 1.5 mg per m3 after six months. Two cars tested after two years had about 0.4 mg per m3 of total VOCs. Outdoor air measured next to the cars was about 0.1 mg per m3. There also is a temperature dependence to the VOC level: As the temperature rises inside the car, so does the total VOC concentration. Not all of the VOCs are necessarily related to original materials in the passenger compartment, the CSIRO report points out. Benzene and other compounds from fuel or exhaust and siloxanes from cleaning products can contribute significantly to total VOCs. CSIRO is considering developing a green air label to help consumers choose environmentally friendlier environments--such as cars, airplanes, offices, and homes--that have potentially healthier indoor air. Indeed, automakers try to eliminate parts that give off high levels of VOCs. THE OUTCOME of these efforts is that some new cars just don't smell like new cars anymore. But therein lies the twisted irony of human nature: A host of air-freshener products with new car scent are designed to keep cars smelling showroom fresh indefinitely. None of these products, sold at car washes and automotive supply stores, has an ingredient list on the label--as " household products, " ingredient labels aren't required--and companies contacted by C & EN would not divulge their proprietary secrets. One fragrance industry spokesman tells C & EN that these products typically contain a small amount of the fragrance oil on a blotter card, in a gel, or diluted with water and/or alcohol. Simple fragrances may have only a few fragrance ingredients, generally aldehydes, esters, and ketones. One of the first of these scents developed was the smell of treated leather, the spokesman notes. Tanned leather tends to give off a slightly rank odor, he says, so tanneries typically add artificial fragrance to the leather to keep it smelling fresh--think of the smell inside a shoe shop. The idea apparently caught on with some automakers, which have been known to add leather scent and other fragrances to cars. Aromatherapy aside, new car owners should enjoy the original scent while it lasts. For the health conscious, Brown suggests they should " make sure there is plenty of outside air entering the vehicle while they drive for at least six months after the vehicle has been purchased. " --------------------------------- for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Almost forgot to add: The physician who informed me of this told me that the symptoms mirror " Sick Building Syndrome " .......very interesting since in addition to toxins, mold can also produce and mix with glue in wallpaper to form VOC's. Murtaugh <johnjmurtaughtoxicmold@...> wrote:Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick since it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything out there that doesn't hurt you??? http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html May 20, 2002 Volume 80, Number 20 CENEAR 80 20 p. 45 ISSN 0009-2347 WHAT'S THAT STUFF? NEW CAR SMELL VOCs account for the characteristic 'newness' STEVE RITTER There's something about the smell of a new car. To many people, the leathery, plasticky aroma that hits you when you slide behind the wheel is a pleasurable scent. Seductive. Perhaps even addictive. On the other hand, to a few people the smell is malodorous, particularly to someone who has an acute chemical sensitivity. SMELL OF THE ROAD Brown sets up monitoring equipment to measure total VOCs in a car. CSIRO PHOTO Exactly what gives rise to new car smell? The answer, not surprising to chemists, is a complex mixture of volatile organic compounds (VOCs), primarily alkanes and substituted benzenes along with a few aldehydes and ketones. Nearly every solid surface inside a vehicle is a fabric or plastic that is held together in part with adhesives and sealers. Outgassing of residual solvents and other chemicals from these materials leads to a dilute sea of VOCs floating about in the passenger compartment. The same holds true for new airplanes, homes, and offices. A standard measure for automakers is to keep the gross amount of VOCs emitted by the textiles and flexible plastics low enough to prevent repeated fogging of window interiors. Each car manufacturer has its own standard for total VOCs in cars, one car company spokesman says, but he is unaware of any government standards regulating air quality inside new vehicles. Individual components of new car smell probably aren't harmful at the concentrations found in cars, but the cumulative effects of long-term exposure to the total mix of VOCs could pose health problems. Fortunately, high concentrations of these compounds quickly dissipate just a few months after manufacture. And although VOC concentrations can reach unhealthy levels in a closed vehicle on a warm day, the air-exchange rate in a car is high when someone opens a door, rolls down a window, or turns on the air conditioner. Measurements for window fogging don't provide a breakdown of the chemical composition of air in new cars, however. Commentators in the media and on the Internet, as well as auto industry chemists contacted by C & EN, ascribe the pleasant scent of new car smell mostly to phthalate plasticizers used in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) or other plastics. However, bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate, generally used in PVC, is not very volatile. And the few publicly avail-able studies that identify VOCs in new cars don't report phthalates among the primary components of the total VOC mixture. One such study, reported this past December, was carried out by K. Brown and Min Cheng of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO). The study took a look at VOCs in three new 1998 vehicles by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry analysis of air samples taken from the cars after they had been sealed for several hours. The cars were resampled at various intervals for up to two years. The CSIRO researchers detected 30 to 40 VOCs in the cars, the most prevalent being toluene, acetone, xylenes, styrene, 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene, various C5 to C12 alkanes, ethylbenzene, and ethylene glycol butyl ether. Total VOC concentrations for the cars were initially as high as 64 mg per m3 of air. For one of the cars, which was a few weeks older because it had been imported, the initial total VOC level was 2.1 mg per m3. These values correspond to the parts-per-million to parts-per-billion range. As a comparison, the report notes that total VOCs in the indoor air of new buildings is on average 20 to 40 mg per m3, while established buildings have VOC levels generally below 1 mg per m3. Negative sensory effects--headaches; drowsiness; nausea; respiratory distress; and eye, nose, and throat irritation--are likely to occur at concentrations above about 10 mg per m3, according to the report. The total VOC concentrations in the cars fell off exponentially over time, the CSIRO researchers note, reaching about 1.5 mg per m3 after six months. Two cars tested after two years had about 0.4 mg per m3 of total VOCs. Outdoor air measured next to the cars was about 0.1 mg per m3. There also is a temperature dependence to the VOC level: As the temperature rises inside the car, so does the total VOC concentration. Not all of the VOCs are necessarily related to original materials in the passenger compartment, the CSIRO report points out. Benzene and other compounds from fuel or exhaust and siloxanes from cleaning products can contribute significantly to total VOCs. CSIRO is considering developing a green air label to help consumers choose environmentally friendlier environments--such as cars, airplanes, offices, and homes--that have potentially healthier indoor air. Indeed, automakers try to eliminate parts that give off high levels of VOCs. THE OUTCOME of these efforts is that some new cars just don't smell like new cars anymore. But therein lies the twisted irony of human nature: A host of air-freshener products with new car scent are designed to keep cars smelling showroom fresh indefinitely. None of these products, sold at car washes and automotive supply stores, has an ingredient list on the label--as " household products, " ingredient labels aren't required--and companies contacted by C & EN would not divulge their proprietary secrets. One fragrance industry spokesman tells C & EN that these products typically contain a small amount of the fragrance oil on a blotter card, in a gel, or diluted with water and/or alcohol. Simple fragrances may have only a few fragrance ingredients, generally aldehydes, esters, and ketones. One of the first of these scents developed was the smell of treated leather, the spokesman notes. Tanned leather tends to give off a slightly rank odor, he says, so tanneries typically add artificial fragrance to the leather to keep it smelling fresh--think of the smell inside a shoe shop. The idea apparently caught on with some automakers, which have been known to add leather scent and other fragrances to cars. Aromatherapy aside, new car owners should enjoy the original scent while it lasts. For the health conscious, Brown suggests they should " make sure there is plenty of outside air entering the vehicle while they drive for at least six months after the vehicle has been purchased. " --------------------------------- for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 What can speed up this off gasing....running the heater Closing the windows in the sun? Opening the windows? Vinegar and baking soda rub? I just got a prius (for obvious reasons) I have to get a new car as my 10 year old one wasnt going to keep serving me well. Murtaugh wrote: Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick sin ce it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything out there that doesn't hurt you??? http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 I think this is the perfect time to put all those discarded ozone generators to work- run it is the car overnight blasting, with an extention cord and doors and windows closed- if the vents are closed and it is a strong generator, the next day the smells should be gone, after you properly air out the smell of ozone > Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick sin > ce it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything > out there that doesn't hurt you??? > > http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 I had a car that had horrible dog smells, and this is what finally worked. I put the ozone machine in overnight. It took a good few hours to air it out afterwards, too. Another thing I have used for odors is " Atmosklear " . It is a spray on oxidizer that gets rid of odors, and it doesn't bother me. It was invented by a couple of local guys, and grew from there. They made it for their own use, and demand grew until it became a business. I think it makes sense that " cooking " the interior would speed the offgassing. Some years back, a pediatrician suggested covering the upholstery with a few layers of heavy duty aluminum foil to keep the vapors put, then covering that with something to sit on, like a cotton cloth covering. That helps some people too. It seems to me that the new car smell lasts for 2 or more years, usually. I know people that only buy a 2 year old car for that reason. K. > > > > > > What can speed up this off gasing....running the heater > > Closing the windows in the sun? > > Opening the windows? > > Vinegar and baking soda rub? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 FYI, Hummer'ds are now FUMED up with new car smell to last! Not to mention they have created a cologne that MIMICS the new car smell. On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, J. Page wrote: > Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:23:09 -0500 > From: J. Page <apage1@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] " NEW CAR SMELL " is dangerous!! (It contains > VOC's!!) > > > What can speed up this off gasing....running the heater > Closing the windows in the sun? > Opening the windows? > Vinegar and baking soda rub? > > I just got a prius (for obvious reasons) I have to get a new car as my > 10 year old one wasnt going to keep serving me well. > > Murtaugh wrote: > Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick sin > ce it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything > out there that doesn't hurt you??? > > http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 When I got my new car, I did the following and it offgassed pretty fast. It was in the winter, so of course the heat was on, but cranked up ALL the way with ALL windows opened. When I was not diriving it I had it running as much as possible. Arm & hammer in glasses in the beverage holders, along with Zeolite packs when the heat was NOT on to absorb any voc's. Took about 3- 4 weeks but it worked out fine. I still keep arm & hammer in beverage holders. On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, J. Page wrote: > Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:23:09 -0500 > From: J. Page <apage1@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] " NEW CAR SMELL " is dangerous!! (It contains > VOC's!!) > > > What can speed up this off gasing....running the heater > Closing the windows in the sun? > Opening the windows? > Vinegar and baking soda rub? > > I just got a prius (for obvious reasons) I have to get a new car as my > 10 year old one wasnt going to keep serving me well. > > Murtaugh wrote: > Learned today that the " NEW CAR SMELL " can actually make you sick sin > ce it contains VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds)......Is there anything > out there that doesn't hurt you??? > > http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/8020stuff.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Another NEW CAR danger is Teflon. Many of the engine parts are coated with it. When it first runs, it offgasses these dangerous fumes. Might be best to have the garage run the car for a few miles before taking it home. Barth TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html --- k> I had a car that had horrible dog smells, and this is what finally worked. I put the ozone k> machine in overnight. It took a good few hours to air it out afterwards, too. k> Another thing I have used for odors is " Atmosklear " . It is a spray on oxidizer that gets rid k> of odors, and it doesn't bother me. It was invented by a couple of local guys, and grew k> from there. They made it for their own use, and demand grew until it became a business. k> I think it makes sense that " cooking " the interior would speed the offgassing. Some years k> back, a pediatrician suggested covering the upholstery with a few layers of heavy duty k> aluminum foil to keep the vapors put, then covering that with something to sit on, like a k> cotton cloth covering. That helps some people too. k> It seems to me that the new car smell lasts for 2 or more years, usually. I know people that k> only buy a 2 year old car for that reason. k> K. k> >> > >> > >> > What can speed up this off gasing....running the heater >> > Closing the windows in the sun? >> > Opening the windows? >> > Vinegar and baking soda rub? >> > k> FAIR USE NOTICE: k> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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