Re: Cedarcide for the Poor Guy

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You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh oh).

Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in their

highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated silica, with

cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated silica (DE) is

actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits relatively low

efficacy/residual.

For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray bottle mixed

with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am not sure where

they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a clandestine way of

saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different from DE. If someone

has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime in.

If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't be surprised if

more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself included.

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http://www.cedarcidestore.com/catalog/item/3571008/3185649.htm

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No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't notice the

percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if they don't

do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then straight cedar

oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could safely whip up at

home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in hearing from others who

have tried this.

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> > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh oh).

Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in their

highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated silica, with

cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated silica (DE) is

actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits relatively low

efficacy/residual.

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> > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray bottle

mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am not sure

where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a clandestine

way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different from DE. If

someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime in.

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> > If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't be surprised

if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself included.

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Lynn You are reading and using PCO, the product I am using is Pet Horse And

Livestock. Here are both links. PCO being the first.

http://www.cedarcidestore.com/catalog/item/3580888/5365146.htm

http://www.cedarcidestore.com/catalog/item/3571008/3185649.htm

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Bugger, Cedercide has a product called PCO that you mix with water

inexpensively, for internal (your home) and external use. It doesn't smell as

nice as the Best Yet or stay in the air like it, but it helps.

Trish from ESP Botanicals posted a homemade recipe for a cedar oil spray. I

don't have it but I bet Bill does. He is very organized and saves a lot for us

to reference.

I, unforunately due to the cost, find the Cedarcide Best Yet is one of the few

products I spray that always gives me several days of relief when I am

desparate... B

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> > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh

oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in

their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated

silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated

silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits

relatively low efficacy/residual.

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> > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray bottle

mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am not sure

where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a clandestine

way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different from DE. If

someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime in.

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> > > If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't be

surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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Definition of inert Stable and unreactive under specified conditions.

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Lynn I have a Best Yet I use for my animals ears. Here is the ingredients, glad

you brought this to my attention never eally noticed until now.

Cedar Oil........... 10%

Silane Fluid........ 90%

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> > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't notice the

percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if they don't

do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then straight cedar

oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could safely whip up at

home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in hearing from others who

have tried this.

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http://www.powerchemical.net/silanes/silanecouplingagents.html

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> > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't notice the

percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if they don't

do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then straight cedar

oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could safely whip up at

home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in hearing from others who

have tried this.

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I had side effects like that to Lynn Now I can use vinegar MMS and sulfur and

have no reaction before the die off I reacted. The cedar never really made me

react but sure would make me sneeze and eyes water.

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> > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't notice

the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if they

don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then straight

cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could safely whip up

at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in hearing from others

who have tried this.

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Thanks for information, B. I'll bugger Bill for the recipe when I see him

around.

I've noticed too that whatever I spray only seems to offer a few days relief.

Even the hardcore stuff. I have pretty much thrown in the towel on chemical

pesticides. All I'm doing is killing what's left of my grey matter. Not that

there was much there to begin with.

So a more natural spray is now called for. Likewise I'm going broke on buying

shit so am now embracing the make-it-yourself philosophy.

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> > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh

oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in

their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated

silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated

silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits

relatively low efficacy/residual.

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> > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray

bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am

not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a

clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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> > > > If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't be

surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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I have a spray mixture I concocted years ago, something that takes care of about

90 percent of my inside environmental problems. When I discovered it, it gave me

the first break I'd had since the nightmare began, and it still more than

anything else I do to my house, car, or workplace, keeps everything at a saner

level. Let me know if you would be interested in knowing about it for yourself.

Beyond this easy, long-term, 90 percent solution, vacuuming at least weekly

where I spend most of my time, biweekly the rest, and going in to spritz

hydrogen peroxide a few minutes before I enter a room to spend time in it, takes

me to about 99 percent. Few few enviro hits, mostly only from body fallout due

to BP or other treatments.

katie

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> > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh

oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in

their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated

silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated

silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits

relatively low efficacy/residual.

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> > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray

bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am

not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a

clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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I've noticed cedarcide's composition before too.

10% cedar oil, 90% silane. If you google silane, you'll find a link to Dow

Corning. I concluded it's not something you can but off of the internet so you

could devise your own cedarcide.

Here's my (extensive) experience with cedarcide.

It's expensive (duh!).

It doesn't work.... IF what you're dealing with is already past the initial

mites (or whatever they are) infestation. I know many have theorized this but

the longer I have this, I'm more convinced that what starts off as mites or

other arthropods are nothing but a common carrier or vector for something that

turns you into the big M sufferer. You've heard it before but now our bodies are

rotten logs attracting all kinds of things... So it doesn't matter how much you

fog... you might've killed off all the mites out there but as long as your body

composition is attracting all kinds of other stuff, this isn't going to end.

I've cedarcided my home a bunch of time and cedarcided the $%#@ out of my car

(which started the nightmare for me) more times than you can imagine (as in 20

times or more, day after day) and applied cedarcide all over my body as if you'd

rub in lotion. I've done straight cedarcide, mixed w/ nylar, mixed with TKO,

mixed with neem oil, etc. It has not worked for me. My car feels alright when

there's still a wet coating of the stuff all over but after it dries, its really

no better. I've given up using cedarcide for killing. Given cedarcide's ability

to become thick dense fog though, you can still use it to widely disperse stuff

around your house if you want to, via the fog - like if you want to disperse

nylar around, just dump an ounce or two into a gallon of cedarcide and fog your

home (remember to wear goggles and respirator). But now that cedarcide is only

useful for me for its ability to fog, it sure is an expensive way to fog, ain't

it?

As much discussion as an idea for a homemade cedarcide gets, I have yet come

across something that can fog up like cedarcide. If you're really going for a

homemade solution, creating the thick fog that hangs around is the goal. To do

so, the solution you create must be lighter than air when its fogged. This is

trying to fog with water, windex, or other cleaners don't fog b/c even when put

thru trijet, thy just become fine mists of vapor which is heavier than air and

they don't fog. If anyone can find THE thing, that'd be awesome. Then we can

put anything we want with it (as long as there's no harmful or volatile

reaction).

I'm sorry if I'm crushing hopes of newbies desperate for the magic bullet. It

appears that there's now a specific page on the cedarcide site for mites and

collembola. But for a long time, they used to have a page saying that cedarcide

is effective for " columbola mites " , which I believe they did some have used it

to successfully treat a mite infestation and reported it. If you really think

about it though, what in the world is a columbola mite? Right, aside from the

blatant misspelling, there is no such thing and the point I'm trying to make

here is that they were selling their $75 Best Yet to desperate sufferers that

believed they either had mites or collembola and reading columbola and mite in

one sentence just made it sell by itself... heck, it's like the only place out

there that addresses my problem, of course I'm going to buy it! I really wonder

they've actually tested their products in a lab against mites and collembola

(this is my un-based remark so if I'm wrong, just disregard).

I've not been on this forum for awhile but really there are only two ppl that I

can think of that have had success with cedarcide. Joan and the lady in Hawaii

that became a distributor. For the rest of us, we are left with the trijet

fogger that we use for spraying everything else besides cedarcide. I'm curious

if anyone's had success using cedarcide recently.

What keeps my home under control is:

- vacuum daily, sometimes, multiple times

- get air purifiers and place them around the house (I have 2 therapure ones

from walmart (has UVC lamp - whether the uvc part helps or not is debatable).

If you believe you have fungal spores floating around your house, it makes sense

to get this. Also, unless you have a water filter vacuum cleaner (like rainbow -

$expensive$) when you vacuum, you can't see it but it's blowing out some nasty

stuff (even if your say " hepa " ), stuff that the air purifier can catch.

- open your doors and windows and air out - my door to the balcony is always

open and I have a box fan blowing air out all the time.

- if you're on the computer alot, just use the brush attachment of your vacuum

cleaner and vacuum over the keyboard and the area. Helps alot.

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> > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't notice

the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if they

don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then straight

cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could safely whip up

at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in hearing from others

who have tried this.

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Same conclusion

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> > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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[Guest guest]

Kixx - thanks for your candid rundown of this product.

I've sprayed this place from here to eternity with some nasty, nasty stuff that

killed off everything but " it. " Like you, I can't help but think I'm now dealing

with whatever some insect vector left in it's wake so whatever I use now has to

be anti-fungal/bacterial in addition to insecticidal. I can think of things

other than cedar oil that fit this bill.

Cedarcide's MSDS lists Hydrated Silica ((Silicic Acid) as the other ingredient

in Best Yet.

http://jple.cedarcide.com/bestyet/pdfdata/bestyetmsds.pdf

I think this ingredient (hydrated silica) is key in the product's ability to fog

well. So theoretically, if one could get his hands on this ingredient he could

mix it with any oil(s) and have an effective, homemade fog solution.

That being said I'm going to throw the question out to the whole crew again:

Where the heck do you buy Hydrated Silica?

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> > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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[Guest guest]

Kixx - thanks for your candid rundown of this product.

I've sprayed this place from here to eternity with some nasty, nasty stuff that

killed off everything but " it. " Like you, I can't help but think I'm now dealing

with whatever some insect vector left in it's wake so whatever I use now has to

be anti-fungal/bacterial in addition to insecticidal. I can think of things

other than cedar oil that fit this bill.

Cedarcide's MSDS lists Hydrated Silica ((Silicic Acid) as the other ingredient

in Best Yet.

http://jple.cedarcide.com/bestyet/pdfdata/bestyetmsds.pdf

I think this ingredient (hydrated silica) is key in the product's ability to fog

well. So theoretically, if one could get his hands on this ingredient he could

mix it with any oil(s) and have an effective, homemade fog solution.

That being said I'm going to throw the question out to the whole crew again:

Where the heck do you buy Hydrated Silica?

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> > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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One other thing, Kixx. Where do you stand on the bagged vs. bagless vacuum

cleaner debate?

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> > > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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- by all means please post your spray mixture. BTW, do you happen to know

a source of " hydrated silica? "

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> > > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know,

uh oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two components in

their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated

silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated

silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits

relatively low efficacy/residual.

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> > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray

bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am

not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a

clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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I like bagged but you need to get a good one regardless. I have Kenmore

Intuition and it's really nice. It has a dust sensor so when you suck up

something, there's a light on the wand that turns from green to red. I smile

everytime I see red. Actually, it's not only a psychological boost but it's

really good knowing you just sucked up something that was on the floor whereas

you wouldn't know if there's not a sensor. It's an expensive cleaner but I got

mine at a Sears outlet for $150. That's a steal.

If you have the money, get a water-filter vac like Rita. Her's isn't Rainbow (I

forget which) but it's same concept. Even with my vac, I still have to worry

about it blowing out crap despite 2 layers of hepa. I have some DE/RP mix in the

bag, you know, just incase.

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> > > > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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Outstanding. Appreciate the followup, Kixx.

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notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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Horsetail is the source for silica. It is sold as dry leaves and you can just

boil it. I am taking and helps with the hip pain and for all source of things. I

cost less than 2 dollars. I get it at a Mexican meat market here in San .

Amy

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> > > > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I

know, uh oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two

components in their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and

hydrated silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the

hydrated silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own

exhibits relatively low efficacy/residual.

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> > > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray

bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am

not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a

clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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I have the same vacumm and you are right, seeing the light changing colors give

you a sense of security, eventhough I believe is some kind of fungal infestation

that we are dealing and the spores just fly away and that is why is so hard to

get rid of them

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> > > > > > > > > No doubt, Lynn. Most of this stuff is way overpriced. I didn't

notice the percentage of silica to oil on the msds sheet. I'm also wondering if

they don't do something to the oil itself to render it more effective then

straight cedar oil. Hmmm. Still, it seems like something most people could

safely whip up at home and save themselves a bundle. I'd be interested in

hearing from others who have tried this.

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Hi Amy & Buggedbymites

This is the homemade cedarcide : espbotanical lady Trisha she said I can make my

own cedar spray with

2 oz of cedar oil & 1 oz eucolyptous oil & 1 oz peppermint oil &

1 cup borax &

1 tablespoon dawn

1 gallon of hot water To melt the borax as you stir it

(Oils are 5-$10.00 per oz at most heath food stores )

I hope the cedarcide works. Bugs stay away from all cedar , maybe a good way

to keep clothes is in a cedar chest .... You think ?

I was at my friends cedar boathouse and no spiders were on the cedar, only on

the windows .

I get great relief from coconut oil 2 oz ,1/2 cup epsom salts & 48 oz of hot

water (coconut oil is a solid at 76 degrees & a liquid at 77 degrees) I spray

this all over my house & car & especially linoleum floor under & ontop of my

air matress . Literly bugless . & it is eatable .

God bless you ,

Bill

ps epsom salt will dry & shrink, thus cracking paint if the paint is not coated

first in dish soap or easier yet coconut oil. Coconut oil does not go rancid &

is harmless & invisible on surfaces when used 2 oz per 48 oz of hot water

amycuriosagirl wrote:

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> Horsetail is the source for silica. It is sold as dry leaves and you can

just boil it. I am taking and helps with the hip pain and for all source of

things. I cost less than 2 dollars. I get it at a Mexican meat market here in

San .

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know, uh oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two

components in their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and

hydrated silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the

hydrated silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own

exhibits relatively low efficacy/residual.

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>> > > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a

spray bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go?

I am not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just

a clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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be surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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Bill - thanks for the spray recipe. Might use this for spot treatments. I'm more

interested in something I can use as a fog because I suspect I've got fungal

spores and other nasties floating about my airspace, in addition to whatever

crap is crawling around my floor. For that I'm going to try DE along edges like

Judy did.

My understanding is the cedarcide " BestYet " product fogs up very well, but isn't

especially effective at anything else, save possible fungicidal properties. I

believe the addition of the ingredient, Hydrated Silica renders it an effective

fogger. Problem is, which form of hydrated silica? There are so many. If you or

others could help me research this puzzle between the lot of us we might come up

with something cheap and effective that won't kill off brain cells.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I

know, uh oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two

components in their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and

hydrated silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the

hydrated silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own

exhibits relatively low efficacy/residual.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a

spray bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go?

I am not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just

a clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

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> >> > > > > > > If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't

be surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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Amy - thanks for the information. Looked into it and horsetail contains 2-3%

silica. Sounds like a good internal supplement but I'll need a more concentrated

source for environmental use. So far all I've come up with are questionable

looking outfits out of China. And I still don't know which form of hydrated

silica to use:

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/hydrated-silica.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I

know, uh oh). Having investigated the cedarcide website I note only two

components in their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and

hydrated silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the

hydrated silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own

exhibits relatively low efficacy/residual.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a

spray bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go?

I am not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just

a clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different

from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime

in.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone gets " offended " at this do-it-yourself proposal don't

be surprised if more than a few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself

included.

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[Guest guest]

PPG Industries in Pittsburgh manufactures all sorts of silicas, including http://corporateportal.ppg. com/NA/ Silicas/ 200_CustomerService/EN

Customer ServiceSilica Customer ServiceBusiness: 1-800-243-6745Fax: 724-325-5044Email: silicacustserv@...

Their hydrated silica is called Hi-Sil and the only food use listed is for pet vitamin filler. But that tells me it is edible? Maybe?

http://corporateportal.ppg.com/NA/Silicas/100_ProductsBySegment/150_rApplications/EN

From: buggeredbymites <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 8:25:46 PMSubject: Re: Cedarcide for the Poor Guy

Amy - thanks for the information. Looked into it and horsetail contains 2-3% silica. Sounds like a good internal supplement but I'll need a more concentrated source for environmental use. So far all I've come up with are questionable looking outfits out of China. And I still don't know which form of hydrated silica to use:http://www.alibaba. com/showroom/ hydrated- silica.html > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You mention cedarcide which sparks a buggered thought (yeah I know, uh oh). Having investigated the

cedarcide website I note only two components in their highly touted and highly priced insecticide: cedar oil and hydrated silica, with cedar oil listed as the active ingredient. I contend the hydrated silica (DE) is actually the active ingredient as cedar oil on it's own exhibits relatively low efficacy/residual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For personal use a sufferer could perhaps throw some DE in a spray bottle mixed with water, toss in a few drops cedar oil and be good to go? I am not sure where they come up with the term, hydrated silica other than just a clandestine way of saying DE. Maybe I'm wrong and HS is something different from DE. If someone has an in on where to purchase hydrated silica please chime in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone gets "offended" at this do-it-yourself proposal don't be surprised if more than a

few sufferers out there think you the troll, myself included.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>