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Shari - first of all I thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time

to keep beating this in my head. I am sitting here as I type this looking at my

kids knowing I have to protect them. I am sure you can tell how freaked out and

scared I am right now.

Ok, first things first I will look into getting my kids cleared without

vaccines. I lean more towards not getting them...at least not right now while I

am so unertain about their safety. The reason I believe they will make us is

because when I had to get mine.....I was not given much of a choice. I want to

share something with you....I got those shots in May...got ill in Aug. and my

hair analysis said I have Aluminium toxcity. Funny thing is I do not and never

had cooked from Aluminum pans, I DO NOT drink pop and have never worked in that

type of enviroment. My results were off the charts!!!!! Now, something

happened to me medically at the end of March so I have no way of knowing whih

one caused me to have the toxicity. Although the more I learn about vaccines I

wonder......

Second, I will continue to research. I noticed you have some online classes

coming up in March. Do they cost???? How long are they????

Love,

Beth

The lies about vaccination was New Member

>>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works....... ..prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.... .they

simply will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking. ...my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just autism......

.......... ........

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professi onalformulas. com/pchf_ catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations. >>>>>>>>> >>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

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wow.................................uhhhh...?!?!?!?!?!?! someone too lazy to

research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

vaccineinfo@... wrote: >>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works.........prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.....they simply

will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking....my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just

autism.......................

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professionalformulas.com/pchf_catalog.htm it is on

page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations.>>>>>>>>>>>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

~~~sasha~~~

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Just wanted to let you know that when I read that comment, I was not sure

what she was referring to. I have certainly never gotten the impression that

you are too lazy to research. I really do not understand why that comment was

made. We can only hope that the comment was made because she obviously has

not read your other post and does not know of your honest effort to learn as

much as you can in a short period of time. I am glad that you spoke up for

yourself but please don't let it bother you too much.

Supportively,

Mavis

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tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

comment.....I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I thought a

support group

was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not every

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking

for the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have

just begun my research....From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my

messages...I am looking for the people

Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too

lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

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Enough already. Your comments are unproductive and rude. She is here to

learn, not to be judged by you or anyone else.

Sheri??? Can you put a stop to this please.

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In a message dated 3/15/2008 2:20:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

vixen_momma_23@... writes:

adorable...im not arguing with you. and it wasnt rude. it was blunt. cant

handle it? why did you join?

Beth Jacomet <_tommygirl18_tommygirl18tom_

(mailto:tommygirl18_1981@...) > wrote: I was going to let this go

BUT......I think this was a very rude

comment..... wrote: I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a

very rude comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I

thought a support group was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently n

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking

for the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have

just begun my research....From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my

messages...I am looking for the people

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Subject: Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too

lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

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I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude comment.....I

want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I thought a support group was just

that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not everyone has the patients to help new members

like me find out the info I need to know.

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking for

the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have just

begun my research.......BY the way..there are no garuantees that anyones kids

will be safe!!!! Very rude!!!!!

Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too lazy

to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

vaccineinfo@ tesco.net wrote: >>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works....... ..prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.... .they

simply will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking. ...my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just autism......

.......... ........

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professi onalformulas. com/pchf_ catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations. >>>>>>>>> >>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

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In a message dated 3/15/2008 2:20:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

vixen_momma_23@... writes:

it wasnt rude. it was blunt.

Actually it was quite rude. She did state that she had just begun doing

research. That isn't being lazy. When I first started my research, for a

short

time period, I thought I would selectively vax. But I finished my research

and concluded no vaccines were best.

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Beth...Please ignore that comment. Almost everyone here is here to

support you. I understand what you're going through. It is ingrained

in our minds that we HAVE to vax because that is what the gov't tells

us. Not until I had a child did I truly understand the issues. I

never even thought about them. I still struggle with deciding not to

vax. Not because I don't already know it's the right thing to do but

I worry about what society will do to her and the struggles she'll go

through when she grows up. Even though I shouldn't worry about

society. Keep researching and following your instincts, no matter

what anyone else thinks.

>

> Just wanted to let you know that when I read that comment, I was

not sure

> what she was referring to. I have certainly never gotten the

impression that

> you are too lazy to research. I really do not understand why that

comment was

> made. We can only hope that the comment was made because she

obviously has

> not read your other post and does not know of your honest effort

to learn as

> much as you can in a short period of time. I am glad that you

spoke up for

> yourself but please don't let it bother you too much.

>

> Supportively,

> Mavis

>

>

> ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

>

> _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

>

> _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

>

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

(http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

(http://909shot.com/)

>

>

> In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:54:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

>

> I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

> comment.....I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a

very rude

> comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I

thought a support group

> was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not every

>

> From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am

looking

> for the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly

that I have

> just begun my research....From now on, please feel free to ignore

any of my

> messages...I am looking for the people

>

> Re: The lies about vaccination was New

Member

>

> wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?!

someone too

> lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be

safe?

>

>

>

>

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I have been in this group a lot of years, and it is 99% supportive, but

there is always one in every group...

Hey, I partially vaccinated my first and I KNEW better, but when people are

taught that doctors are gods, and do as they say, and it's the LAW and I

will be in neglect...it gets intimidating.

I finally said enough is enough, after finding this group, I stopped all the

rest and my second son has had none. Yes, I feel bad I did my first, but..

no more!

What's worse is someone that lost her daughter from vaccines, and SHE KNOWS

IT, still vaccinates the next two she had after that?! Now THAT is scary

how she is intimidated that much by doctors that she would still do it after

she KNEW her second daughter died from vaccines!!!!

Western NY

-- Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

Beth...Please ignore that comment. Almost everyone here is here to

support you. I understand what you're going through. It is ingrained

in our minds that we HAVE to vax because that is what the gov't tells

us. Not until I had a child did I truly understand the issues. I

never even thought about them. I still struggle with deciding not to

vax. Not because I don't already know it's the right thing to do but

I worry about what society will do to her and the struggles she'll go

through when she grows up. Even though I shouldn't worry about

society. Keep researching and following your instincts, no matter

what anyone else thinks.

>

> Just wanted to let you know that when I read that comment, I was

not sure

> what she was referring to. I have certainly never gotten the

impression that

> you are too lazy to research. I really do not understand why that

comment was

> made. We can only hope that the comment was made because she

obviously has

> not read your other post and does not know of your honest effort

to learn as

> much as you can in a short period of time. I am glad that you

spoke up for

> yourself but please don't let it bother you too much.

>

> Supportively,

> Mavis

>

>

> ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

>

> _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

>

> _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

>

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

(http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

(http://909shot.com/)

>

>

> In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:54:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

>

> I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

> comment.....I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a

very rude

> comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I

thought a support group

> was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not every

>

> From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am

looking

> for the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly

that I have

> just begun my research....From now on, please feel free to ignore

any of my

> messages...I am looking for the people

>

> Re: The lies about vaccination was New

Member

>

> wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?!

someone too

> lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be

safe?

>

>

>

>

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adorable...im not arguing with you. and it wasnt rude. it was blunt. cant handle

it? why did you join?

Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: I was going to let

this go BUT......I think this was a very rude comment.....I want nothing more

than my kids to be safe. I thought a support group was just that SUPPORT!!!!!

Apparently not everyone has the patients to help new members like me find out

the info I need to know.

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking for

the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have just

begun my research.......BY the way..there are no garuantees that anyones kids

will be safe!!!! Very rude!!!!!

Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too lazy

to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

vaccineinfo@ tesco.net wrote: >>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works....... ..prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.... .they

simply will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking. ...my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just autism......

.......... ........

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professi onalformulas. com/pchf_ catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations. >>>>>>>>> >>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

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I feel every parent has a *right* and a *duty* to be scared at the

notion of whether to vaccinate or not, and I applaud anyone who is

seeking answers from both sides of the issue... Given the pressure

that has been put on parents in certain states recently to vaccinate

or go to jail, and the notion that CPS could be called on you by your

ped for not vaxing is a horror. No parent wants to lose their child,

and the allopathic medical community is highly trained to instill this

fear in us.

Sasha: Don't belittle or judge someone for wanting answers and

continuting to question the rights and wrongs... every parent I know

only wants the best for their child, period.

Beth: I think it's commendable that you are willing to research this

subject (which is what you're doing by being here with us on this

list... RESEARCH -- searching for truthful answers) rather than

blindly giving in to the allopathic medical establishment that only

wants to make money off your children while putting them in harm's way

-- and they are doing it out of ignorance most of the time, because

they are not willing to take the steps you are currently taking to

educate themselves.

Do I think vaccines are safe? I am absolutely, 100% positive in MY

MIND that they are not, cannot be, and never will be safe, period.

Not a single one of them. But, I've been researching the issue for

2.5+ years, and had to go through the same thought processes that you

(Beth) are going through to get to the point that I'm at now. I

wasn't immediately there... I had to read and read and read and read

some more. My gut said " don't vaccinate " and I listened to it, even

though I wasn't completely informed yet. (My son has never had a

single vaccination, and he's the healthiest kid on my block... there

are 15 children in the culdesac I live in under the age of 5, and my

son is the only one that did not come down with every bug known to man

this last year, and the only one not to have a single ear infection

over the winter.) Now, almost three years later, I'm so glad I

listened to my gut, " mommy instinct " , or whatever you want to call it.

Today, if a physician or anyone comes at my kids with an injection of

ANY KIND, they WILL deal with my wrath. I will kick, scream, run, do

whatever I have to do to keep my children safe from these vaccines at

any cost. I'm as fearful of having my child vaccinated as most

parents who have not taken the time to learn about the dangers but

blindly follow the advice of their ignorant allopatic providers are at

the notion of not vaccinating.

One of the things I make sure to do is ALWAYS have my husband with me

when we have to visit an allopathic doctor (I don't believe in

" well-baby visits " , as they are solely designed to get you to

vaccinate, and serve no other purpose, so I don't take my kids in

unless there's something really wrong, like when my 2 year old inhaled

a nut that had to be extracted from his bronchial tube via a scope

under general anesthesia). After almost three years of research, I

can back a doc down in 2 seconds flat if they try to bully me, but

it's easier if my husband is there to keep a firm stance beside me...

safety in numbers. My child has received regular monthly

well-care from a chiropractor, by the way. He's been receiving this

care since he was 2 days old.... Keeping the spine free of

subluxations keeps the nerves unblocked, which helps the body function

properly and, along with proper nutrition, is the best thing you can

do for yourself or your children, IMO.

In any event, the purpose of my response is to encourage you, Beth

(and everyone else seeking the truth out there!), to continue to ask

questions here, look at the information you're directed to, read the

books that are recommended, and learn as much as you can. In the

meantime, listen to your gut about the vaccines... you can always

decide to vaccinate later, but you can NEVER undo an injection once

it's given. I highly recommend taking Sheri's class on vaccines...

it is chalked full of VERY GOOD (scientifically backed) information to

help arm you in your stance against vaccines. I've been taking the

class since Feb (even though I haven't yet turned in my assigments,

sorry Sheri... I'm 8 months pregnant and also in school!), and I have

learned SO SO much, even though I've been researching vaccines myself

for the better part of 3 years.

Continue to learn, and don't be disgruntled by one negative comment...

we ARE here to support you.

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Any of you remember Powder? The diet guru from the early/mid

90's that had an infomercial on late-night television? When I take a

moment to step back from my research and look what's going on with the

whole vaccine/anti-vaccine fight, I remember her words on that

infomercial when referring to diet advice given that confuses

people... " Eat grapefruit! ... DON'T eat grapefruit! ARGH! STOP THE

MADNESS!! " LOL! I know it's silly, and sorry for the kind of OTness

here, but that's now silly this issue is to me (now, because I now

know fully what side to be on)... the real answers are out there, but

we are so blinded by bigPharma and their trillions of dollars spent to

brain wash us!

Boy, if they'd only spend that kind of money to figure out how to

clean up our streams and rivers and make the world less toxic....

[Guest guest]

Mavis - I was seeing RED when I came across that message. I am still fuming

about it but I will not let her comments upset me......

THANK YOU for all your help and support. I am a well educated women who cares

very deeply for my kids and am very concerned for thier health. I have recently

been turned on to the natural healing and more natural ways of living. I have

switched my cleaners and personal products to the natural one, I have switched

to natural ways to get over colds, I have started to buy organic things and am

getting my family away from eating so much processed foods, ect.....

I truely am trying to make the best possible decisions when it comes to my

family and our health. However, I am sure all of you know how difficult it can

be to make the change and go against what is considered " the norm " of society.

Please bare with me while I am researching and asking many questions....I just

need to be sure of what I am doing and why!!!!

Mavis, you and Shari have been great and I truely am grateful for coming in

contact with both of you no matter what my final decision will be!!!!

Much Love,

Beth

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lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

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Thanks - the support of all of you regarding the nasty email has helped

me. I honestly was about ready to just leave the group and then a good friend

that I was talking to told me not to jusge the whole group based on 1 person. I

am thankful now that I did not leave. I jsut assumed everyone here was getting

upset with me for having so many questions. I am grateful to know that it is

not the case. I am thankful to be on this group.

Much Love,

Beth

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safe?

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Thank you - I really thank you for your post here. I have gotten so much

support from so many people regarding the RUDE person that I know I am not at

all in the wrong. I will not open any more of her emails........when I see

them, they are deleted....immediately. Maybe Shari can do something about her

but if not.....I am done with her.

Would you mind if I ever had any questions to email your personally???? I know

this support is mostly people who believe in the NO-VAX at all, and I know I am

still on the fence about it but I truely believe I am in the right place to

learn the best information possible. As I have told the others, bare with me

while I learn....and thank you for understanding. The response of support over

this has made me feel much better!!!!!

Much Love,

Beth

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I feel every parent has a *right* and a *duty* to be scared at the

notion of whether to vaccinate or not, and I applaud anyone who is

seeking answers from both sides of the issue... Given the pressure

that has been put on parents in certain states recently to vaccinate

or go to jail, and the notion that CPS could be called on you by your

ped for not vaxing is a horror. No parent wants to lose their child,

and the allopathic medical community is highly trained to instill this

fear in us.

Sasha: Don't belittle or judge someone for wanting answers and

continuting to question the rights and wrongs... every parent I know

only wants the best for their child, period.

Beth: I think it's commendable that you are willing to research this

subject (which is what you're doing by being here with us on this

list... RESEARCH -- searching for truthful answers) rather than

blindly giving in to the allopathic medical establishment that only

wants to make money off your children while putting them in harm's way

-- and they are doing it out of ignorance most of the time, because

they are not willing to take the steps you are currently taking to

educate themselves.

Do I think vaccines are safe? I am absolutely, 100% positive in MY

MIND that they are not, cannot be, and never will be safe, period.

Not a single one of them. But, I've been researching the issue for

2.5+ years, and had to go through the same thought processes that you

(Beth) are going through to get to the point that I'm at now. I

wasn't immediately there... I had to read and read and read and read

some more. My gut said " don't vaccinate " and I listened to it, even

though I wasn't completely informed yet. (My son has never had a

single vaccination, and he's the healthiest kid on my block... there

are 15 children in the culdesac I live in under the age of 5, and my

son is the only one that did not come down with every bug known to man

this last year, and the only one not to have a single ear infection

over the winter.) Now, almost three years later, I'm so glad I

listened to my gut, " mommy instinct " , or whatever you want to call it.

Today, if a physician or anyone comes at my kids with an injection of

ANY KIND, they WILL deal with my wrath. I will kick, scream, run, do

whatever I have to do to keep my children safe from these vaccines at

any cost. I'm as fearful of having my child vaccinated as most

parents who have not taken the time to learn about the dangers but

blindly follow the advice of their ignorant allopatic providers are at

the notion of not vaccinating.

One of the things I make sure to do is ALWAYS have my husband with me

when we have to visit an allopathic doctor (I don't believe in

" well-baby visits " , as they are solely designed to get you to

vaccinate, and serve no other purpose, so I don't take my kids in

unless there's something really wrong, like when my 2 year old inhaled

a nut that had to be extracted from his bronchial tube via a scope

under general anesthesia). After almost three years of research, I

can back a doc down in 2 seconds flat if they try to bully me, but

it's easier if my husband is there to keep a firm stance beside me...

safety in numbers. My child has received regular monthly

well-care from a chiropractor, by the way. He's been receiving this

care since he was 2 days old.... Keeping the spine free of

subluxations keeps the nerves unblocked, which helps the body function

properly and, along with proper nutrition, is the best thing you can

do for yourself or your children, IMO.

In any event, the purpose of my response is to encourage you, Beth

(and everyone else seeking the truth out there!), to continue to ask

questions here, look at the information you're directed to, read the

books that are recommended, and learn as much as you can. In the

meantime, listen to your gut about the vaccines... you can always

decide to vaccinate later, but you can NEVER undo an injection once

it's given. I highly recommend taking Sheri's class on vaccines...

it is chalked full of VERY GOOD (scientifically backed) information to

help arm you in your stance against vaccines. I've been taking the

class since Feb (even though I haven't yet turned in my assigments,

sorry Sheri... I'm 8 months pregnant and also in school!), and I have

learned SO SO much, even though I've been researching vaccines myself

for the better part of 3 years.

Continue to learn, and don't be disgruntled by one negative comment...

we ARE here to support you.

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Thanks Holley.....I would love to hear some of the places you felt were best at

giving you the info to make your final decision.

Much Love,

Beth

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In a message dated 3/15/2008 2:20:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

vixen_momma_ 23 (DOT) com writes:

it wasnt rude. it was blunt.

Actually it was quite rude. She did state that she had just begun doing

research. That isn't being lazy. When I first started my research, for a short

time period, I thought I would selectively vax. But I finished my research

and concluded no vaccines were best.

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Beth,

You are certainly welcome to email me personally off-list anytime you

like... that goes for anyone on the list. It has become my personal crusade

over the past several years to help bring the truth about vaccines to light

in anyway that I can... and that includes answering questions and offering

support to anyone when it's needed.

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...>

wrote:

>

> Thank you - I really thank you for your post here. I have gotten so

much support from so many people regarding the RUDE person that I know I am

not at all in the wrong. I will not open any more of her emails........when

I see them, they are deleted....immediately. Maybe Shari can do something

about her but if not.....I am done with her.

>

> Would you mind if I ever had any questions to email your personally???? I

know this support is mostly people who believe in the NO-VAX at all, and I

know I am still on the fence about it but I truely believe I am in the right

place to learn the best information possible. As I have told the others,

bare with me while I learn....and thank you for understanding. The response

of support over this has made me feel much better!!!!!

>

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

[Guest guest]

Beth,

Keep asking lots of questions. Others surely have the same ones. You know, some

people know right off the bat they'll never vaccinate their kids, but many of us

only came to that after our kids had problems. So, you are way ahead of the game

compared to those of us who learned the hard way.

It takes awhile to change your mindset from what you've been brought up to

believe. I remember when I first realized how bad vaccines were. I knew I had to

stop vaccinating my children, and did, but even then it took time to get over

the fear those diseases. But the fear of vaccines was greater and became

stronger as time went by. Even if I worried about the diseases, which I rarely

even think about now, I know that vaccines aren't the answer.

I think you need some time to really think this through and not to feel

pressured either way. Good luck. Whatever you decide, it will be right because

it will be your decision.

Winnie

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>

> wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?!

> someone too

> lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will

> be safe?

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Apologize for the poster, Beth, that was rude. I read you were just in the

beginning of your research, the poster must have glanced over that and read the

rest below. Many are passionate in their stance, no matter what that stance is,

but either way, renders no excuse. My apologies, and I know you'll find the

continued support you are looking for, here.

Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member Posted by: " Beth Jacomet "

tommygirl18_1981@... tommygirl18_1981 Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:54 am (PDT)

I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude comment..... I

want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I thought a support group was just

that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not everyone has the patients to help new members

like me find out the info I need to know.

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking for

the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have just

begun my research.... ...BY the way..there are no garuantees that anyones kids

will be safe!!!! Very rude!!!!!

[Guest guest]

LAURA! Another parent who feels EXACTLY what I feel about how society will treat

my child and especially the school system!!! Considering how much I have been

researching all the vax issues, I finally got it and will not be continuing

anymore vaccinations for my 14 month old baby girl.

" (Coates) " <ladams9200@...> wrote: Beth...Please

ignore that comment. Almost everyone here is here to

support you. I understand what you're going through. It is ingrained

in our minds that we HAVE to vax because that is what the gov't tells

us. Not until I had a child did I truly understand the issues. I

never even thought about them. I still struggle with deciding not to

vax. Not because I don't already know it's the right thing to do but

I worry about what society will do to her and the struggles she'll go

through when she grows up. Even though I shouldn't worry about

society. Keep researching and following your instincts, no matter

what anyone else thinks.

>

> Just wanted to let you know that when I read that comment, I was

not sure

> what she was referring to. I have certainly never gotten the

impression that

> you are too lazy to research. I really do not understand why that

comment was

> made. We can only hope that the comment was made because she

obviously has

> not read your other post and does not know of your honest effort

to learn as

> much as you can in a short period of time. I am glad that you

spoke up for

> yourself but please don't let it bother you too much.

>

> Supportively,

> Mavis

>

>

> ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

>

> _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

>

> _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

>

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

(http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

(http://909shot.com/)

>

>

> In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:54:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

>

> I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

> comment.....I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a

very rude

> comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I

thought a support group

> was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not every

>

> From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am

looking

> for the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly

that I have

> just begun my research....From now on, please feel free to ignore

any of my

> messages...I am looking for the people

>

> Re: The lies about vaccination was New

Member

>

> wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?!

someone too

> lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be

safe?

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Ok here people, back to the other comment from Ms. Vixen Momma, blunt is one

thing, rude is another! Totally uncalled for and maybe you should reconsider

being in this support group/forum. We are here to be informed and supported and

not ostracized. Beth, you continue on your journey over seas and with your

research about the vaccines!

sasha amanda <vixen_momma_23@...> wrote: adorable...im not

arguing with you. and it wasnt rude. it was blunt. cant handle it? why did you

join?

Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: I was going to let this go

BUT......I think this was a very rude comment.....I want nothing more than my

kids to be safe. I thought a support group was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently

not everyone has the patients to help new members like me find out the info I

need to know.

From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am looking for

the people who WANT to help me learn. I have stated repeatedly that I have just

begun my research.......BY the way..there are no garuantees that anyones kids

will be safe!!!! Very rude!!!!!

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wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too lazy

to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

vaccineinfo@ tesco.net wrote: >>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works....... ..prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.... .they

simply will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking. ...my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just autism......

.......... ........

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professi onalformulas. com/pchf_ catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations. >>>>>>>>> >>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

~~~sasha~~~

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I'm so glad that I'm not alone! In my research, locally in my area

even, I'm finding that there is a huge movement of parents against

vaccines. It's very comforting. My biggest worry seems to be what will

happen if I have to take my daughter to the hospital. Will they treat

her? I am in Ohio and am fortunate to have the 3 options for exemption

at schools. But, there's still the worry if parents will let their

kids play with mine. But I've got awhile for that and deep down I know

that I'm doing the right thing and I'm glad that this group exists for

support.

> >

> > Just wanted to let you know that when I read that comment, I was

> not sure

> > what she was referring to. I have certainly never gotten the

> impression that

> > you are too lazy to research. I really do not understand why that

> comment was

> > made. We can only hope that the comment was made because she

> obviously has

> > not read your other post and does not know of your honest effort

> to learn as

> > much as you can in a short period of time. I am glad that you

> spoke up for

> > yourself but please don't let it bother you too much.

> >

> > Supportively,

> > Mavis

> >

> >

> > ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

> >

> > _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> > (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

> >

> > _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> > (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

> >

> > _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> > (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

> >

> >

> > _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

> (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

> >

> > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

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> > In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:54:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > tommygirl18_1981@ writes:

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> > I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a very rude

> > comment.....I was going to let this go BUT......I think this was a

> very rude

> > comment.....<WBR>I want nothing more than my kids to be safe. I

> thought a support group

> > was just that SUPPORT!!!!! Apparently not every

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> > From now on, please feel free to ignore any of my messages...I am

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> that I have

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> > messages...I am looking for the people

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> > wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?!

> someone too

> > lazy to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be

> safe?

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[Guest guest]

I have never had my child turned down for treatment anywhere. I am usually asked

something like " and I'm sure your child is up to date with vaccines " and I just

say " oh, we don't do those, " as if no one in their right mind would. They were

probably more concerned that I was nursing a toddler and refusing Tylenol for

whatever ailed them.

And all the parents of my kids' friends are aware that I'm anti-vaccine--lots of

playdates, and lots of thanks for making them aware of the dangers. They don't

all agree with me but many confide they always worried about reactions but

thought they had to vaccinate for school entry. As the kids get older, I think

you'll find most parents don't think as much about vaccines. By then, you'll

have living proof that you were right not to vaccinate.

Winnie

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> > safe?

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[Guest guest]

Winnie - very well put. I also think you are exactly right that when the kids

get older, vaccines do not seem like such a big deal to parents. I have no idea

what the percentage is but I would not be surprised if most parents after the

shots to get into school if they stopped them also. Maybe not because they are

anti-vaccine but just because they are mostly boosters and most teenagers and

adults do not do them. This makes me wonder then why we give them to our

kids....if we do not get the boosters as we get older and the vaccine wears off

and we are no longer protected anyways, why take the chance to give them to our

babies???? Another reason for me to think twice about doing anymore with my

kids.....

Much Love,

Beth

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> > safe?

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[Guest guest]

Here are my experiences on the subject of other parents and vaccine issues,

and hospitals and vaccine issues:

1. I've never been asked by a parent if my child is up-to-date on his

shots. They only find out I'm no-vax if I offer the information

voluntarily. I don't usually bring it up, unless I get a comment like " Why

is your child never sick? Seems like mine is ALWAYS sick! " My answer is

always that he was breastfed exclusively for the first 8 months of his life,

and he still breastfeeds now, at 26 months.

2. I've been promising I'd post this story, and here it is: My son inhaled

part of a pistachio on Christmas night. We rushed him to the nearby Urgent

Care facility (only about 5 blocks away, and it was snowing like crazy at

the time). The urgent care doc never even asked if we were current with our

shots... they just did a quick intake on him and took him back to the exam

room. At that time the doc felt pretty sure my son hadn't actually inhaled

any of the nut, even though he was wheezing. He proceeded to prescribe

antibiotics for him and sent us home. After several visits with a

pediatrician (my 2 year old actually ASKED me to take him to the doctor),

where I'd tell them my son is NOT sick, does NOT need antibiotics, is

wheezing because he has a foreign body in his lungs, one ped decided I may

be right when she could not hear breath sounds in his right lung. (At every

visit they'd casually mention " Oh yeah, you don't vaccinate. " , but never

made a huge deal over it.) She immediately sent us to the local Children's

Hospital to have it investigated further.

At the hospital, during intake they asked if he was up-to-date on his shots,

to which I replied " Well, he's up-to-date according to MY schedule, which is

we don't vaccinate. " They didn't even flinch.. just noted it in the file and

went on with the other questions. Not once was it ever mentioned that they

would refuse to admit him because of the vaccine issue. Of course, the

x-ray didn't show anything in the lungs, because x-rays don't pick up things

such as nuts.... the doctors that examined my son that day thought I was

being a paranoid parent, and didn't think anything was wrong with my son

because he was all smiles, walking around (not running like normal though...

if he tried to run, he'd take two steps and plop to the ground, completely

out of breath) and flirting with the nurses. They sent us home and said

they'd call to schedule something for us in the next couple of weeks.

Here I was in my 2nd trimester of pregnancy, sitting up all night every

night with my son, holding him in a semi-upright position so that he could

breathe with a foreign body in his lungs, while I was not sleeping a wink

for fear if I fell asleep he'd quit breathing altogether and I'd lose him.

This had been going on for a month while I was trying to convince someone to

help us, and I was NOT going to wait another 2 weeks for something to be

done about it. So, I called the ear-nose-throat department at the hospital

and BUGGED them... not daily, but HOURLY that day after we got home from the

hospital. They finally called me back that same afternoon (a Friday) and

scheduled us in for the following Tuesday for an " exploratory bronc " --

because they were just SO SURE I was wrong and they weren't REALLY going to

find that anything had been aspirated.

During admittance to the hospital for surgery, nothing was ever mentioned

about the vaccine issue. It really was a non-issue the whole time. The

frustration for me was that no one believed me that my son had inhaled a

pistachio, even though I SAW him inhale it. They even had my husband, who

also witnessed him inhale it, convinced that it was in our heads.... even

while I was carrying my crying two-year-old to the ER to watch him be put

under general anesthesia, the surgeon proceeded to tell me they weren't

going to find anything and treated me like I was putting my child through

undue stress for nothing. The hardest thing I've ever done in my life is

hold my child down on the operating table while he squirmed and cried as

they were putting him under with a gas mask.... I was so offended they

thought I'd let him endure that for nothing. Less than thirty minutes

later, the surgeon emerged from the ER to the lobby to find me, with a cup

in her hand... it had the pistachio piece in it. She saved it, and even

took pictures " for the baby book " . How nice of her....

The surgeon escorted my husband and me to my son's bedside in recovery where

he was just coming too. When he saw me he immediately asked to nurse, so I

sat down in the rocking chair and began to nurse him. The nurses and

surgeon were almost dumbfounded that my two-year-old settled right down and

began to nurse with no problems, and seemed to be coming out of the

anesthesia so easily. It was then that the surgeon finally got a look of

guilt over her face, and commended me for still nursing after two years --

like that was the first time she was convinced I was actually a good mom.

She stated she thought that's why he handled the surgery so well and why he

was recovering so quickly from the anesthesia. I was thinking in the back

of my mind.... well, yeah.... that and the fact that I haven't vaccinated

him to make his lungs and immune system suppressed. But I didn't say that

out loud, I just let it be.

By the time we got home from the hospital that night, you couldn't even tell

my kiddo had been through surgery that day. He was eating everything in

sight, as he had gone almost 24 hours with no food or breast milk (which is

why he was crying as I took him to the ER... he'd been begging me to nurse

him). The next day he was back to RUNNING everywhere he went, and he

hasn't stopped running since!

The purpose of telling this story is two-fold. First, don't be afraid that

a hospital or medical facility won't treat your child because they haven't

been vaccinated. Honestly, even I was surprised at how NOT an issue it was,

and I was fully prepared to go in fighting and clawing on the subject... I

didn't have to. Secondly, if you KNOW something isn't right with your

child, don't let a health care provider convince you you're wrong and that

they know your child better than you do. That's just absurd. Stand your

ground and be firm about your child's health care... both when they don't

need something that is being pushed in your face AND when they truly NEED

intervention.

Another case in point along these same lines: My neighbor, who knows my

whole story, took her 21 month old to the doctor a few weeks ago because he

seemed to be wincing in pain a lot, and covering his groin area when getting

diaper changes, as if he was in pain. Their pediatrician told the mom that

the little boy was just " vying for attention, all boys do that " (21 MONTHS

OLD... COME ON!!!) and there was absolutely nothing wrong with him. My

neighbor told me that if she had not known my story, and how hard I had to

press to have my child taken care of, she would have believed the doctor and

dropped the subject. But because she knew in her gut that her child wasn't

trying to get attention, but truly seemed to be in pain, she decided to take

him to another doctor for a 2nd opinion. That doctor actually ran tests,

and last week, her child went in to surgery for a hernia repair..... he'd

had the hernia since birth. He's a different kid today, running around and

playing and energetic. I've been babysitting him for a year, and I've never

seen him with so much energy... he can keep up with my kid now! Thank

goodness she listened to her mommy instinct, too!

[Guest guest]

Oh, and in point one of my previous post, I also let all those wondering

parents know that I don't vaccinate my child when they ask why he's so

healthy... but I never offer any more information than that unless they

ask. I don't like talking to brick walls...