The lies about vaccination was New Member

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>>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I

have the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio

really is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate

for, even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in

people with drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe

what they tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is

not even true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me

many times from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on

me. I did not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed

with that - most recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they

have certainly go you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have

done to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works.........prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time.

That's why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will

produce symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so

deeply ill, chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never

get acute illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy,

but because they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that

they can't produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or

whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that

a disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one

part of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a

hyper state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give

true immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.....they simply

will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were

to stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He

is a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe

way to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone

says that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking....my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just

autism.......................

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professionalformulas.com/pchf_catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations.>>>>>>>>>>>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy

has laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

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sorry - this did not go. please read my response below Rina!!!!!!

----- Forwarded Message ----

From: Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:09:01 PM

Subject: Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

Rina - thank you for our support. I have decided to stay on this group because

of the outpouring amount of support I got after that message was send to me.

I KNOW this group is mostly ANTI-vax all together and I am sure when someone

hears of me posting about doubting the vaccines are dangerous and they are the

victims of vaccine injury, it is hard to read.......I am just trying to get

answers and take care of my kids the best way I know how. My journey overseas

does concern me a bit but I am coming to the conclusion to stop the vaxes. BUT,

as I mentioned before, if my hubby's job MAKES us, I want to try to do it as

safetly as possible. I know there are no guarentees that it will be done

safetly but I am sure it will not hurt nay worse to take the precautions anyways

like the drops, boosting their immune systems with supplements (needing ideas on

what to give them), spacing the shots out and things like that. If I HAVE to do

it to join my hubby and we decide to finish the vaccines, I will be looking for

support to try to do it as safe as possible even if it can not be guarenteed

100%. The way I look at

it, nothing is 100% safe......I would rather not finish the vaccines at this

point but I need to see what his job says....

Thanks for the support. I know this is a tough and touchy subject.....I am glad

I decided to stay on here.....not let 1 bad apple (vixen) give me the impression

of the whole group!!!! Everyone here has been wonderful!!!!

Love,

Beth

Re: The lies about vaccination was New Member

wow......... ......... ......... ......uhhhh. ..?!?!?!? !?!?! someone too lazy

to research? damn. oh well. i guess at least my kids will be safe?

vaccineinfo@ tesco.net wrote: >>>

Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be

harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this

topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue.

>>>

Sure - I know more than many because I have been so immersed in this and have

read thousands and thousands of documents - mainstream as well as alternative.

And I know all of you and see the terrible dangers of vaccines and the lies we

all have been told and it makes me sick. Sick for all of you with injured

children and chronic illness and lives ruined.

>>>>

I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut

started my research.

You have to take one at a time and look carefully at each one. That's why I have

the class to help you all as it is not easy to research each one.

>>> However, there are still cases of polio around although not common.

Don't just stop there - look at it. Look at the reality behind what polio really

is and how vaccinating will NOT keep it from happening.

>>> How about the Hep A & B????

Hep A is easily recovered from in most cases. Hardly something to vaccinate for,

even if the vaccine did work. Hep B is a disease of blood usually in people with

drug problems or involved with multiple sex partners, if you believe what they

tell you about it. There is a huge possibility that what we know is not even

true about Hep B. I was a nurse in ICU and had blood pour all over me many times

from wounds, spurting blood vessels, blood transfusions spilling on me. I did

not get hep b. Most people do not. And those that are diagnosed with that - most

recover very well. You have to not buy into the fear and they have certainly go

you in fear.

>??What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these

diseases.

I was born in 1950. We all grew up with those diseases, born at that time and

earlier and some time later. We all did just fine. Research shows very few

children had any problem with measles, unless they had underlying serious health

problems. Mumps is rarely a problem in anyone. Rubella only is a problem for

some pregnant women and that seriousness for them is even questionable.

>>I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online.

However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas.

It is not a hotbed of disease overseas. I travel all the time and know my body

and immune system can deal with most anything. Narrow it down- what do think

will happen overseas?

>>>> I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to

prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am

hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they

can actually strenghten the immune system.

Because our immune systems need practice to get strong - just like playing a

piano - need practice to get good.

>>> How can that be if they used to kill so many people?

They didn' t use to kill so many people - that is propaganda. And those that

did, were less problematic with bettered living conditions and water and sewage

improvements.

The death rate was way down for each disease with a vaccine associated with it

BEFORE any vaccine came out. I will send the graphs.

>>Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases

to come back and repeat history???

Vaccines did NOT stop the death rate from these diseases.

You are saying all that they want you to say. all the programming they have done

to us is being repeated here by you (and myself before I knew better).

Prove to me that a vaccine works....... ..prove that it gives immunity. Prove to

me that the death rate declined after the vaccine for a disease. It did NOT.

The incidence of the disease has declined because it has made people to sick to

get the acute disease. The body can only deal with one insult at a time. That's

why you never saw a child with measles and mumps together. The body will produce

symptoms for the stronger disease only. That's why we see people so deeply ill,

chronically, with something like Alzheimers or Schizophrenia, never get acute

illness. They just don't get sick. Not because they are so healthy, but because

they are too sick on a deep level fighting that strong illness that they can't

produce symtpoms showing evidence they have a cold or measles or whatever.

>>>>>>>>>>

I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent.

That is evident.

>>> I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am

totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these

deadly diseases.

You cannot protect them with vaccines. You cannot inject disease material with

accompanying toxins and expect health. You cannot bypass the normal route that a

disease takes - the mouth & the nose first - and expect immunity. Only one part

of the immune system is activated with a vaccine and that part causes a hyper

state resulting in allergies and autoimmune illness. It does not give true

immunity like a disease does that activates all parts of the immune system.

>>I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move

depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give

my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.... .they

simply will not clear us.

ARE you absolutely sure you can't go without vaccinating or just have accepted

it as truth. I have never heard anyone else say this and I have worked with

thousands and thousands of people who travel including travel with families and

jobs.

>>> If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his

job......

How do you know all of that?

>>>That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate.

I can't invent a better way for you and tell you there is a better way if there

is not.

>>> I think if I have to do it,

How can you risk your children, Beth, when you don't even know for sure. You

have just accepted this as real

>>>>I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to

stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the

vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different

view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe.

Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax

Because you have not researched and you do not know the reality.

>>>. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I

actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you

believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not

there right now ( since i am moving overseas).

>>>So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there

anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I

will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me

try to find you the link....

I have not read his book - only excerpts and read articles he has written. He is

a bit two faced about it all. I just know when someone says there is a safe way

to vaccinate then they are not telling the truth. I just know when someone says

that vaccines give immunity,, they are not telling the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible

with what I have.

You have not done the one thing that might keep you from having to go through

this - investigate what you think are their demands that families have to be

vaccinated.

>>>I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works

with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking. ...my prayers and

love goes out to each and every one of them.....

and there are so many more damages from vaccines than just autism......

.......... ........

>>>>>>

Here is the link: http://www.professi onalformulas. com/pchf_ catalog.htm it is

on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is

called Childhood Immunizations. >>>>>>>>> >>

Beth - this is ludicrous - wishful thinking at best. I understand why you would

be hopeful and why you might think they work, but not having a background in

homeopathy you are not able to judge. You can take my word for it or not - this

will NOT prevent any injury but they will make money selling it - so many

products I saw there just make me sick. More people making money off of fear

Here is what the product says:

CHILDHOOD X32

IMMUNIZATION DROPS

Provides homeopathic support of vaccination and

assists the body with the ill effects from

vaccination.

Hepatitis A,B,C, 60X, 100X, 200X, Hib 60X, 100X, 200X,

Varicella 60X, 100X, 200X, MMR 60X, 100X, 200X, DTP

60X, 100X, 200X, OPV 60X, 100X, 200X,Td 60X, 100X,

200X, Calcarea carbonica 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X,

Echinacea angustifolia 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, Malandrinum

30X, Silicea 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, Sulphur 3X, 6X,

9X, 12X, 30X, Thuja occidentalis 3X, 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X,

60X, Arsenicum album 6X, 9X, 12X, 30X, 60X, purified

water, 10% USP alcohol, 8% glycerin. 2 oz

There is just no guarantee that these things will do anything to prevent

anything. Throwing all of this at the vital force of the body violates every

aspect of homeopathy which has laws and principles. If they told you to take

this and you would be able to defy gravity, would you believe it? Homeopathy has

laws that are just as inviolable as gravity is.

And to expose the energy system of the body to all of these remedies is just not

OK.

But of course it is your choice. To listen to an expert in homeopathy or listen

to someone who is not an expert and hope for the best. I know I am being firm

here. But I have to tell the truth to all of you.

I wish you peace and health with all of this

Sheri

~~~sasha~~~

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Beth,

I'm curious as to what your husband does. Is he in the military? I'm also

curious why your husband's " job " thinks they have the right to dictate how

you run your personal lives, and I'm curious why you feel they have that

right? A job is a job is a job.... " the job " is not to be staying up with

your children on those long nights when they are sick, have had a nightmare,

or are just restless. They also will not be taking no responsibility

(financially, emotionally, medically or otherwise) if any harm comes to your

children due to vaccines or any other medication they are given, so what

gives them the right to have that much control over you and your children?

If they " insist " that you must vaccinate, then you need to " insist " that

they sign an afffidavit stating they WILL take full responsibility

(financially, medically and otherwise) if harm does come to your children

from a vaccine...

[Guest guest]

WOW - thank you for that. I think this is going to be one of the hardest

things for me is learning how to stand up to people when they tell me it HAS to

be done.

No, my hubby is not in the military but he does work for the Dept. of State out

of D.C. They gave him vaccines so he can travel all over the world.....when I

went with my oldest son (my youngest was too young at the time), we got several

shots inclusing typhoid (sp) and then hep A I think. I need to look back and

see exactly whih Hep we got but I know my son had the hep B so I think it was A.

I honestly am about 90% to the point of not giving any more vaxs...but the

reason I feel they will make us is because they do have us live on base and

housing and everything is paid for by them. My hubby tells me that when he

asked about it, the told him that es it is our right to say NO to the vaccines

but it is their right then to not clear up. However, when I look up entry info

on where we would be going, the country has no vaccines requirements....so I am

wondering if that can be another thing to help me fight my case.

I am interested in learning how to help build their immune systems besides

organic food, breastfeeding (this is out for me due to medical reasons). I am

looking for high quality supplements to build their immune systems.....not only

for if I stop the vaxs but also just to help them not catch colds as easily. It

has been a tough year for all of us and they just came down with it again over

the weekend....

I take vit. C, and zinc mostly when I get something.....but I can not give them

the zinc...at least I have been told not to.....

Much Love,

Beth

Re: Fw: The lies about vaccination was New Member

Beth,

I'm curious as to what your husband does. Is he in the military? I'm also

curious why your husband's " job " thinks they have the right to dictate how

you run your personal lives, and I'm curious why you feel they have that

right? A job is a job is a job.... " the job " is not to be staying up with

your children on those long nights when they are sick, have had a nightmare,

or are just restless. They also will not be taking no responsibility

(financially, emotionally, medically or otherwise) if any harm comes to your

children due to vaccines or any other medication they are given, so what

gives them the right to have that much control over you and your children?

If they " insist " that you must vaccinate, then you need to " insist " that

they sign an afffidavit stating they WILL take full responsibility

(financially, medically and otherwise) if harm does come to your children

from a vaccine...

[Guest guest]

Beth,

You're welcome! I look back at what I wrote to you and giggle...

pardon my lack of proper grammar! LOL I need to proof my own work

better! I'm glad the gist of my point wasn't lost in that mess.

:/

As far as standing up for yourself and your children, you HAVE to,

because no one else is going to do it -- nobody else cares for and

loves your child as much as you do. Adopt the " mother gorilla "

attitude about it... YOU'RE the mommy, and it's YOUR say that

matters. If you feel you are making a decision that is in the best

interest of your child, don't back down for anyone.... I sure don't!

I'm a wimp normally, but when it comes to the welfare of my children,

I'm a MONSTER. One of the biggest gorilla stances I ever had to take

over the whole vaccine issue was against my mother-in-law, and I did

it without blinking. Education is key in this regard though. I

wasn't able to take the stance I take now until I researched my fool

head off on the subject.

The biggest thing you can do for your kiddos' immune systems is make

sure they get really good nutrition. Nutrition is so key to helping

the body stay at top-function at all times. Some supplements are

okay, but mostly, just good, wholesome food that doesn't contain table

sugar, white flour, white rice, or processed foods. When I tell people

my child doesn't eat sugar (neither do I), I'm often shocked by the

number of them that think I'm borderline abusing him by not giving him

sugar... SUGAR! Something totally non-nutritive! I tell them they'd

be surprised at how not giving these things to your child really

doesn't deprive them of anything at all, but they just look at me in

disbelief.... mine had never had sugar AT ALL until a couple months

ago... someone offered him a cookie, and I decided that rather than

try to keep him from trying it I wanted to see what his reaction would

be to it. He took the cookie (it looked just like the ones I make for

him at home w/ wholesome ingredients -- including brown rice syrup

instead of sugar, tons of oats, flax seed, ground pecans, and

brown-rice syrup sweetened chocolate chips), took one bite, looked at

it funny then handed the cookie to me and said " Done Mommy! " When we

got home, he asked for one of " Mommy's cookies " , which he happily ate.

Mind you, he's only two.

Also, I can't recommend chiropractic care highly enough. My

two-year-old and I go in for regular adjustments with an AWESOME

chiropractor that specializes in family wellness. I get a weekly

adjustment right now (I'm 8 months pregnant, and it helps sooo much),

and my son, at the moment, gets adjustments about every other week.

Normally we go once every three to four weeks though. He's been under

a chiropractor's care since he was 2 days old. The reason

chiropractic is so effective is that every nerve in the body feeds off

the spine. Our nerves control our organs and how they function. So,

if you can keep your nerve pathways clear and free of subluxions

(subtle or not-so-subtle misalignment in the spine that can rub on or

pinch a nerve and make it function improperly, so that the body is not

fed proper information), then you keep all your internal systems

functioning smoothly and properly. Ultimately, this helps the immune

system do it's job to fend off sickness on it's own. It's really

gentle, and my two-year-old LOVES the chiro! He gets a little stool

that the doc has in his lobby and takes it into the treatment room

with us, puts it next to the big stool the doc uses, and proceeds to

give me " adjustments " while we wait for the doc. He also gives the

doc hugs and kisses before we leave, then talks about " Dr. Morimer "

(Dr. Mortimer) the rest of the day! He has a little stool at home too

that he likes to practice giving me adjustments on. I think I've got

a future chiropractor on my hands. LOL! My son and I are going in

tomorrow for an adjustment, so I will see if the doc has any

literature on pediatric chiropractic care that I can bring home to

share with you. My chiro is also an excellent source of nutritional

information as well. Best of all, chiropractic is totally drug free.

You are doing so much good for your children by being diligent in your

quest for information! Keep up the good work, Mom!

PS: I believe there are only a couple of remote countries (though I

don't know which ones) that require a yellow fever vaccine before you

can enter. As far as I know, most countries don't require any

vaccinations in order to travel there. I'll see if I can dig

something up for you in that regard.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Beth Jacomet

<tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote:

>

> WOW - thank you for that. I think this is going to be one of the

> hardest things for me is learning how to stand up to people when they tell

> me it HAS to be done.

>

> No, my hubby is not in the military but he does work for the Dept. of State

> out of D.C. They gave him vaccines so he can travel all over the

> world.....when I went with my oldest son (my youngest was too young at the

> time), we got several shots inclusing typhoid (sp) and then hep A I think. I

> need to look back and see exactly whih Hep we got but I know my son had the

> hep B so I think it was A.

>

> I honestly am about 90% to the point of not giving any more vaxs...but the

> reason I feel they will make us is because they do have us live on base and

> housing and everything is paid for by them. My hubby tells me that when he

> asked about it, the told him that es it is our right to say NO to the

> vaccines but it is their right then to not clear up. However, when I look up

> entry info on where we would be going, the country has no vaccines

> requirements....so I am wondering if that can be another thing to help me

> fight my case.

>

> I am interested in learning how to help build their immune systems besides

> organic food, breastfeeding (this is out for me due to medical reasons). I

> am looking for high quality supplements to build their immune

> systems.....not only for if I stop the vaxs but also just to help them not

> catch colds as easily. It has been a tough year for all of us and they just

> came down with it again over the weekend....

>

> I take vit. C, and zinc mostly when I get something.....but I can not give

> them the zinc...at least I have been told not to.....

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

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You would have to check with your insurance provider since all plans are

different. My policy does cover chiropractor with a typical co-pay. They are

all different though.

Mavis

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In a message dated 3/18/2008 11:11:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kisses4chuly@... writes:

ka, do you know if Chiros are covered thru insurance? I love to read

your e-mails because you help me so much to find out more and more info.

Rina

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ka, do you know if Chiros are covered thru insurance? I love to read your

e-mails because you help me so much to find out more and more info.

Rina

Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote:

Beth,

You're welcome! I look back at what I wrote to you and giggle...

pardon my lack of proper grammar! LOL I need to proof my own work

better! I'm glad the gist of my point wasn't lost in that mess.

:/

As far as standing up for yourself and your children, you HAVE to,

because no one else is going to do it -- nobody else cares for and

loves your child as much as you do. Adopt the " mother gorilla "

attitude about it... YOU'RE the mommy, and it's YOUR say that

matters. If you feel you are making a decision that is in the best

interest of your child, don't back down for anyone.... I sure don't!

I'm a wimp normally, but when it comes to the welfare of my children,

I'm a MONSTER. One of the biggest gorilla stances I ever had to take

over the whole vaccine issue was against my mother-in-law, and I did

it without blinking. Education is key in this regard though. I

wasn't able to take the stance I take now until I researched my fool

head off on the subject.

The biggest thing you can do for your kiddos' immune systems is make

sure they get really good nutrition. Nutrition is so key to helping

the body stay at top-function at all times. Some supplements are

okay, but mostly, just good, wholesome food that doesn't contain table

sugar, white flour, white rice, or processed foods. When I tell people

my child doesn't eat sugar (neither do I), I'm often shocked by the

number of them that think I'm borderline abusing him by not giving him

sugar... SUGAR! Something totally non-nutritive! I tell them they'd

be surprised at how not giving these things to your child really

doesn't deprive them of anything at all, but they just look at me in

disbelief.... mine had never had sugar AT ALL until a couple months

ago... someone offered him a cookie, and I decided that rather than

try to keep him from trying it I wanted to see what his reaction would

be to it. He took the cookie (it looked just like the ones I make for

him at home w/ wholesome ingredients -- including brown rice syrup

instead of sugar, tons of oats, flax seed, ground pecans, and

brown-rice syrup sweetened chocolate chips), took one bite, looked at

it funny then handed the cookie to me and said " Done Mommy! " When we

got home, he asked for one of " Mommy's cookies " , which he happily ate.

Mind you, he's only two.

Also, I can't recommend chiropractic care highly enough. My

two-year-old and I go in for regular adjustments with an AWESOME

chiropractor that specializes in family wellness. I get a weekly

adjustment right now (I'm 8 months pregnant, and it helps sooo much),

and my son, at the moment, gets adjustments about every other week.

Normally we go once every three to four weeks though. He's been under

a chiropractor's care since he was 2 days old. The reason

chiropractic is so effective is that every nerve in the body feeds off

the spine. Our nerves control our organs and how they function. So,

if you can keep your nerve pathways clear and free of subluxions

(subtle or not-so-subtle misalignment in the spine that can rub on or

pinch a nerve and make it function improperly, so that the body is not

fed proper information), then you keep all your internal systems

functioning smoothly and properly. Ultimately, this helps the immune

system do it's job to fend off sickness on it's own. It's really

gentle, and my two-year-old LOVES the chiro! He gets a little stool

that the doc has in his lobby and takes it into the treatment room

with us, puts it next to the big stool the doc uses, and proceeds to

give me " adjustments " while we wait for the doc. He also gives the

doc hugs and kisses before we leave, then talks about " Dr. Morimer "

(Dr. Mortimer) the rest of the day! He has a little stool at home too

that he likes to practice giving me adjustments on. I think I've got

a future chiropractor on my hands. LOL! My son and I are going in

tomorrow for an adjustment, so I will see if the doc has any

literature on pediatric chiropractic care that I can bring home to

share with you. My chiro is also an excellent source of nutritional

information as well. Best of all, chiropractic is totally drug free.

You are doing so much good for your children by being diligent in your

quest for information! Keep up the good work, Mom!

PS: I believe there are only a couple of remote countries (though I

don't know which ones) that require a yellow fever vaccine before you

can enter. As far as I know, most countries don't require any

vaccinations in order to travel there. I'll see if I can dig

something up for you in that regard.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Beth Jacomet

<tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote:

>

> WOW - thank you for that. I think this is going to be one of the

> hardest things for me is learning how to stand up to people when they tell

> me it HAS to be done.

>

> No, my hubby is not in the military but he does work for the Dept. of State

> out of D.C. They gave him vaccines so he can travel all over the

> world.....when I went with my oldest son (my youngest was too young at the

> time), we got several shots inclusing typhoid (sp) and then hep A I think. I

> need to look back and see exactly whih Hep we got but I know my son had the

> hep B so I think it was A.

>

> I honestly am about 90% to the point of not giving any more vaxs...but the

> reason I feel they will make us is because they do have us live on base and

> housing and everything is paid for by them. My hubby tells me that when he

> asked about it, the told him that es it is our right to say NO to the

> vaccines but it is their right then to not clear up. However, when I look up

> entry info on where we would be going, the country has no vaccines

> requirements....so I am wondering if that can be another thing to help me

> fight my case.

>

> I am interested in learning how to help build their immune systems besides

> organic food, breastfeeding (this is out for me due to medical reasons). I

> am looking for high quality supplements to build their immune

> systems.....not only for if I stop the vaxs but also just to help them not

> catch colds as easily. It has been a tough year for all of us and they just

> came down with it again over the weekend....

>

> I take vit. C, and zinc mostly when I get something.....but I can not give

> them the zinc...at least I have been told not to.....

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

Rina Barillas

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[Guest guest]

Mavis is correct, check with your insurance company regarding specific

coverage. Often they will even have a list of providers that are

" in-network " so that you have additional savings by using them. My

insurance covers chiropractic, but my provider is out-of-network. My chiro

is so awesome that I am unwilling to change to one that is in-network, so I

just pay the extra cost. It's only about $5 per visit more than a normal

co-pay anyway. Also, if a chiro doesn't take your insurance, they are often

inexpensive (mine is $30 per visit and $15 for my child per visit, cash

price). I've seen over a dozen chiropractors in my lifetime and have never

seen one charge exorbitant fees.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Rina Barillas <kisses4chuly@...>

wrote:

>

> ka, do you know if Chiros are covered thru insurance? I love to read

your e-mails because you help me so much to find out more and more info.

>

> Rina