Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 My oldest Daughter has a for of LCADD, she is now 9 yrs old, what was surprising to hear (not sure if this is true) that this screening only cost 50.00, and it was not required unless asked for. How would you know to ask?? Dale Newborn screening Thought some of you may be interested in this, Bowen DHR adds new screening test for newborns that can save lives ATLANTA (GA) - The Georgia Department of Human Resources recently announced that Georgia's newborns are now being tested for Medium Chain Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency (MCADD), a metabolic disorder that causes seizures, coma, or even death if untreated. Testing for MCADD is made possible through the use of new technology, tandem mass spectrometry (MS/MS), which uses one blood spot to detect up to 30 additional disorders. "We are proud of the partnership that DHR's Division of Public Health has with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the March of Dimes Georgia Chapter. Our work together has enabled us to add the lifesaving MCADD screening test to Georgia's newborn screening panel and to promote awareness of the importance of newborn screening," said Dr. Stuart Brown, DHR's acting director, Division of Public Health. As a result of this targeted partnership, MCADD was added to Georgia's series of Newborn Screenings because Georgia law (Official Code of Georgia Annotated 31-12-6 & 31-12-7) and Rules and Regulations (Chapter 290-5-24) now require that every live born infant have an adequate blood test for nine treatable metabolic disorders and for Sickle Cell disorders. MCADD is generally diagnosed between two months and two years of life, but can occur as early as two days of life and as late as adulthood. Affected children are healthy and usually show no symptoms until they go without food for prolonged periods. This may happen when the child is malnourished, or stops eating when sick with illnesses such as the flu or ear infections. This prolonged fasting can lead to hypoglycemia, vomiting, lethargy, seizures, coma, apnea, cardiac arrest, or sudden unexplained death. About 20-25% of these patients die from the first sick episode when MCADD is undetected. MCADD is believed to account for 1 out of 100 Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) deaths. Once this disorder is diagnosed and treatment begins, children with MCADD can expect to live normal, healthy lives, with normal growth and development. Treatment is effective and focuses on preventing long fasts. "MCADD was once thought to be a rare condition," said Ann Henson, director of DHR's Newborn Screening for Metabolic and Sickle Cell Disorders Program. "We don't know yet the disorder's exact prevalence in Georgia, but national estimates indicate that one in every 15,000 babies may be affected, making MCADD nearly as common as PKU (Phenylketonuria), a disorder that, if not identified and treated early, causes severe irreversible mental retardation. We believe that the new MCADD test may identify nine babies a year in Georgia with the disease whose lives may be saved through early diagnosis and treatment." To learn more about Georgia's Newborn Screening for Metabolic and Sickle Cell Disorders Program, visit http://health.state.ga.us/programs/nsmscd/diag_mcadd.asp. For the March of Dimes official policy on newborn screening, please visit http://marchofdimes.com/georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 When my 2nd baby was born, I had 52 supplemental tests done on him through NeoGen Labs. Two months before my due date I called and requested a kit. After my son was born, and released from the hospital (at 2 days old) I brought him in to the pediatrician, who took the blood (prick heel and put drops of blood on a special card). Baylor also does the supplemental testing, however at the time of my son's birth, they only offered 30 tests (their cost was $25). Northside Hospital will draw blood and send it off to Baylor, however they will charge you more than what it costs to do it at your drs office. This may have changed since then (this was 3 yrs ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 In a message dated 3/21/2008 3:07:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, trinnea@... writes: if a non-invasive test I'm not having to pay extra for makes her feel better, so be it. how is the hearing test non invasive? What do they do? I heard they hook up electric equip to the baby's head. That doesn't sound non invasive to me. I'm not really sure what they do exactly though, we refused that test too. Holly **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 , I went through this with both my children because we wanted to be discharged from the hospital 24 hours after the birth unless there was a reason to keep us. The nurses were all in a flutter about these stupid screenings and telling us we would have to repeat them if we left before 48 hours. Again, by being ignorant I put my son through the stupid screening twice. With my daughter I asked them what the point was of doing the first test if it essentially " didn't count? " They had nothing to say and stopped pushing me to get her screened. You mentioned the ear screening, which they did for both my kids in the hospital the day after birth. My daughter failed in one ear and they told me that this was very very common because of fluids being in the ear from the birth etc. I got to stress out about her hearing for the next 4 weeks for no reason. Why give the test at that point if they will likely fail? Marie Quisenberry leesamarie2828@... Newborn screening Kind of a rant here... LOL I was discussing with my Hhomebirth Mmidwife yesterday our decisions not to do any " newborn screening tests " , no Vit K, no eye goops, no pokes prods of any kind, no putting anything in my child's mouth other than my breast, etc. Not at birth, not two weeks later. The only test I'm agreeing to is a hearing test at 2 weeks, because it is non-invasive. She agreed, filled out the waiver form, then said she was required to give me the State's pamphlet on the Newborn Screening Program anyway (I was surprised she didn't have one for vaccinations as well). I decided to read what the State of Colorado says and does pertaining to these tests, as I'm new to this state. My last child was born in New Mexico. Here they test for PKU, Galactosemia, Hypothyroidism, Sickle Cell Anemia, Biotinidase Deficiency and Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia at birth, then again at the baby's two-week check-up (pretty standard for most states, as far as I know). In the pamphlet under the " Why " section it states: " Why should my baby be tested a second time? Most babies get their first newborn screening test before they are two days old. Sometimes these early test results ARE NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE THE BABY IS TOO YOUNG. Some conditions may not be detected on the first screen. Therefore, all babies must be tested a second time, usually at the first well baby visit (by 2 weeks of age). " Sooooooo.... why test at birth at all, if the baby is too young to get accurate results???? Makes NO sense. Well, it does make sense to the allopathic community, as they can charge for an additional set of tests, thereby padding their pockets a little more... a few bucks extra per newborn adds in a hurry. The pamphlet goes on to give the rate of occurance for each disease, which is actually quite low... especially compared to the 1 in 150 children in the US that develop Autism that vaccinations cause. I find myself thinking.... " Okay, and what is the rate of occurance of these diseases in the UNVACCINATED child specifically? " Anyway, just thought I'd share the thing I read today that made me roll my eyes and slap my forehead at the stupidity and greed of our government and allopathic community. I find myself having this reaction to some stupid thing the allopathic community, government, or BigPharma has come up with on a daily basis... sometimes multiple times per day. It is so scary at how completely lacking in common sense the " people in charge " are! Boy I'm glad I'm having another home birth... I could just see myself in the hospital as a doctor or nurse approached me.... " Step away from the baby! Back up NOW! " LOL ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Jeez, Louise--I remember the non-invasive hearing test in 1992 when my second son was born. I thought, oh no big deal. Except they couldn't get it right, tried several times really annoying my son (and me) until they finally gave up. I'd pass on it. It's not as if it will give him his hearing back if there is a problem, and if there is one, it should be evident soon enough by the old-fashioned way of noticing he doesn't respond to you properly. And that's free! I agree, all these tests are big money-makers. Winnie Newborn screening vaccinations > Kind of a rant here... LOL > > I was discussing with my Hhomebirth Mmidwife yesterday our decisions > not to do any " newborn screening tests " , no Vit K, no eye goops, no > pokes prods of any kind, no putting anything in my child's mouth other > than my breast, etc. Not at birth, not two weeks later. The only > test I'm agreeing to is a hearing test at 2 weeks, because it is > non-invasive. She agreed, filled out the waiver form, then said she > was required to give me the State's pamphlet on the Newborn Screening > Program anyway (I was surprised she didn't have one for vaccinations > as well). I decided to read what the State of Colorado says and does > pertaining to these tests, as I'm new to this state. My last child > was born in New Mexico. Here they test for PKU, Galactosemia, > Hypothyroidism, Sickle Cell Anemia, Biotinidase Deficiency and > Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia at birth, then again at the baby's > two-week check-up (pretty standard for most states, as far as I know). > > In the pamphlet under the " Why " section it states: > > " Why should my baby be tested a second time? Most babies get their > first newborn screening test before they are two days old. Sometimes > these early test results ARE NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE THE BABY IS TOO > YOUNG. Some conditions may not be detected on the first screen. > Therefore, all babies must be tested a second time, usually at the > first well baby visit (by 2 weeks of age). " > > Sooooooo.... why test at birth at all, if the baby is too young > to get > accurate results???? Makes NO sense. Well, it does make sense > to the > allopathic community, as they can charge for an additional set of > tests, thereby padding their pockets a little more... a few bucks > extra per newborn adds in a hurry. > > The pamphlet goes on to give the rate of occurance for each disease, > which is actually quite low... especially compared to the 1 in 150 > children in the US that develop Autism that vaccinations cause. I > find myself thinking.... " Okay, and what is the rate of > occurance of > these diseases in the UNVACCINATED child specifically? " > > Anyway, just thought I'd share the thing I read today that made me > roll my eyes and slap my forehead at the stupidity and greed of our > government and allopathic community. I find myself having this > reaction to some stupid thing the allopathic community, > government, or > BigPharma has come up with on a daily basis... sometimes multiple > times per day. It is so scary at how completely lacking in common > sense the " people in charge " are! Boy I'm glad I'm having another > home birth... I could just see myself in the hospital as a > doctor or > nurse approached me.... " Step away from the baby! Back up NOW! " > LOL > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Correct on the hearing screen. Mine will be done at 2 weeks, and I do know to take these tests with a grain of salt. I'm not being charged for the hearing screen, so I figure what the heck. My midwife is a bit of a worry wart, and when I agreed to this one test she got a look of relief on her face... not sure what the problem is there, but if a non-invasive test I'm not having to pay extra for makes her feel better, so be it. LOL On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Marie Quisenberry <leesamarie2828@...> wrote: > > > > > , > > I went through this with both my children because we wanted to be discharged > from the hospital 24 hours after the birth unless there was a reason to keep > us. The nurses were all in a flutter about these stupid screenings and > telling us we would have to repeat them if we left before 48 hours. Again, > by being ignorant I put my son through the stupid screening twice. With my > daughter I asked them what the point was of doing the first test if it > essentially " didn't count? " They had nothing to say and stopped pushing me > to get her screened. > > You mentioned the ear screening, which they did for both my kids in the > hospital the day after birth. My daughter failed in one ear and they told me > that this was very very common because of fluids being in the ear from the > birth etc. I got to stress out about her hearing for the next 4 weeks for no > reason. Why give the test at that point if they will likely fail? > > Marie Quisenberry > leesamarie2828@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hm.. maybe I should ask what the hearing test here entails. In NM, my midwife just clapped a couple of times behind each ear and when my son looked in that general direction, he passed the test.... there was no formal equipment involved. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote: > > > > > Jeez, Louise--I remember the non-invasive hearing test in 1992 when my > second son was born. I thought, oh no big deal. Except they couldn't get it > right, tried several times really annoying my son (and me) until they > finally gave up. I'd pass on it. It's not as if it will give him his hearing > back if there is a problem, and if there is one, it should be evident soon > enough by the old-fashioned way of noticing he doesn't respond to you > properly. And that's free! > > I agree, all these tests are big money-makers. > > Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 No clapping with my son. They had things they put in his ears and couldn't get a reading. Clapping sounds much better. Winnie Re: Newborn screening Vaccinations > Hm.. maybe I should ask what the hearing test here entails. In NM, > my midwife just clapped a couple of times behind each ear and > when my > son looked in that general direction, he passed the test.... > there was > no formal equipment involved. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jeez, Louise--I remember the non-invasive hearing test in 1992 > when my > > second son was born. I thought, oh no big deal. Except they > couldn't get it > > right, tried several times really annoying my son (and me) > until they > > finally gave up. I'd pass on it. It's not as if it will give > him his hearing > > back if there is a problem, and if there is one, it should be > evident soon > > enough by the old-fashioned way of noticing he doesn't respond > to you > > properly. And that's free! > > > > I agree, all these tests are big money-makers. > > > > Winnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Excellent rant !!! And you're right, why do the screenings at all at birth... I'd be interested to know the occurance rates the pamphlet you received quoted for the diseases. Those numbers are very difficult to find, I'd like to have them if you don't mind taking the time....?!?! Thanks, Kris > > Kind of a rant here... LOL > > I was discussing with my Hhomebirth Mmidwife yesterday our decisions > not to do any " newborn screening tests " , no Vit K, no eye goops, no > pokes prods of any kind, no putting anything in my child's mouth other > than my breast, etc. Not at birth, not two weeks later. The only > test I'm agreeing to is a hearing test at 2 weeks, because it is > non-invasive. She agreed, filled out the waiver form, then said she > was required to give me the State's pamphlet on the Newborn Screening > Program anyway (I was surprised she didn't have one for vaccinations > as well). I decided to read what the State of Colorado says and does > pertaining to these tests, as I'm new to this state. My last child > was born in New Mexico. Here they test for PKU, Galactosemia, > Hypothyroidism, Sickle Cell Anemia, Biotinidase Deficiency and > Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia at birth, then again at the baby's > two-week check-up (pretty standard for most states, as far as I know). > > In the pamphlet under the " Why " section it states: > > " Why should my baby be tested a second time? Most babies get their > first newborn screening test before they are two days old. Sometimes > these early test results ARE NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE THE BABY IS TOO > YOUNG. Some conditions may not be detected on the first screen. > Therefore, all babies must be tested a second time, usually at the > first well baby visit (by 2 weeks of age). " > > Sooooooo.... why test at birth at all, if the baby is too young to get > accurate results???? Makes NO sense. Well, it does make sense to the > allopathic community, as they can charge for an additional set of > tests, thereby padding their pockets a little more... a few bucks > extra per newborn adds in a hurry. > > The pamphlet goes on to give the rate of occurance for each disease, > which is actually quite low... especially compared to the 1 in 150 > children in the US that develop Autism that vaccinations cause. I > find myself thinking.... " Okay, and what is the rate of occurance of > these diseases in the UNVACCINATED child specifically? " > > Anyway, just thought I'd share the thing I read today that made me > roll my eyes and slap my forehead at the stupidity and greed of our > government and allopathic community. I find myself having this > reaction to some stupid thing the allopathic community, government, or > BigPharma has come up with on a daily basis... sometimes multiple > times per day. It is so scary at how completely lacking in common > sense the " people in charge " are! Boy I'm glad I'm having another > home birth... I could just see myself in the hospital as a doctor or > nurse approached me.... " Step away from the baby! Back up NOW! " LOL > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 The newborn screening is for metabolic disorders that may not show positive values until the baby has had literally time to metabolize food. So that is why there is an initial baseline reading and then a repeat. Vaccinated or un-vaxed, babies are rarely born with metabolic disorders, but it does happen. If detected immediately they can be planned for or treated, if left undiagnosed it could be well into adolescence before it is diagnosed. I believe there is value in newborn screening. It is a heel stick, never fun for a baby, but a little is taken and nothing is injected. I remember nursing my second during his sticks and he never broke from the breast.it didn't take much, he did not receive Vit K so bled easily. There is value in hearing tests too because babies can be almost a year old before you realize that she literally just isn't hearing you. By then, the damage is done and catch up time is longer. She could be fitted for implants (if the type of hearing loss is eligible) and could have been learning to hear and speak for a many many months. It is actually less invasive as a newborn - they usually sleep right through it. Just my .02 Emma Mc Rowlett, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I think this pamphlet is a bit outdated. I was looking for a copy of the pamphlet online, and stumbled on the fact that Colorado now screens for MUCH more than these 7 diseases at the newborn screen. Here's a link to that pamphlet that lists rates of occurrence: http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ps/hcp/nbms/nbmsnews.pdf Also, on the home page for the Newborn screen information it states: " *Diagnosis and Treatment* <http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ps/hcp/nbms/referral/imd.html>Of the 2,000 babies who have a positive screen, about 50 babies each year will be diagnosed with a disease. " http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ps/hcp/nbms/index.html That's a LOT of false positive, if you ask me. I'm attaching a copy of the information side of the pamphlet my midwife gave me, as well. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM, sisterkris2003 <sisterkris2003@...> wrote: > > > > > Excellent rant !!! > And you're right, why do the screenings at all at birth... > I'd be interested to know the occurance rates the pamphlet you > received quoted for the diseases. > Those numbers are very difficult to find, I'd like to have them if you > don't mind taking the time....?!?! > Thanks, > Kris > > > > > > > > Kind of a rant here... LOL > > > > I was discussing with my Hhomebirth Mmidwife yesterday our decisions > > not to do any " newborn screening tests " , no Vit K, no eye goops, no > > pokes prods of any kind, no putting anything in my child's mouth other > > than my breast, etc. Not at birth, not two weeks later. The only > > test I'm agreeing to is a hearing test at 2 weeks, because it is > > non-invasive. She agreed, filled out the waiver form, then said she > > was required to give me the State's pamphlet on the Newborn Screening > > Program anyway (I was surprised she didn't have one for vaccinations > > as well). I decided to read what the State of Colorado says and does > > pertaining to these tests, as I'm new to this state. My last child > > was born in New Mexico. Here they test for PKU, Galactosemia, > > Hypothyroidism, Sickle Cell Anemia, Biotinidase Deficiency and > > Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia at birth, then again at the baby's > > two-week check-up (pretty standard for most states, as far as I know). > > > > In the pamphlet under the " Why " section it states: > > > > " Why should my baby be tested a second time? Most babies get their > > first newborn screening test before they are two days old. Sometimes > > these early test results ARE NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE THE BABY IS TOO > > YOUNG. Some conditions may not be detected on the first screen. > > Therefore, all babies must be tested a second time, usually at the > > first well baby visit (by 2 weeks of age). " > > > > Sooooooo.... why test at birth at all, if the baby is too young to get > > accurate results???? Makes NO sense. Well, it does make sense to the > > allopathic community, as they can charge for an additional set of > > tests, thereby padding their pockets a little more... a few bucks > > extra per newborn adds in a hurry. > > > > The pamphlet goes on to give the rate of occurance for each disease, > > which is actually quite low... especially compared to the 1 in 150 > > children in the US that develop Autism that vaccinations cause. I > > find myself thinking.... " Okay, and what is the rate of occurance of > > these diseases in the UNVACCINATED child specifically? " > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd share the thing I read today that made me > > roll my eyes and slap my forehead at the stupidity and greed of our > > government and allopathic community. I find myself having this > > reaction to some stupid thing the allopathic community, government, or > > BigPharma has come up with on a daily basis... sometimes multiple > > times per day. It is so scary at how completely lacking in common > > sense the " people in charge " are! Boy I'm glad I'm having another > > home birth... I could just see myself in the hospital as a doctor or > > nurse approached me.... " Step away from the baby! Back up NOW! " LOL > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Oops! Here's the attachment. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote: > > I think this pamphlet is a bit outdated. I was looking for a copy of the pamphlet online, and stumbled on the fact that Colorado now screens for MUCH more than these 7 diseases at the newborn screen. Here's a link to that pamphlet that lists rates of occurrence: > http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ps/hcp/nbms/nbmsnews.pdf > > Also, on the home page for the Newborn screen information it states: " Diagnosis and Treatment Of the 2,000 babies who have a positive screen, about 50 babies each year will be diagnosed with a disease. " http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ps/hcp/nbms/index.html > > That's a LOT of false positive, if you ask me. > > I'm attaching a copy of the information side of the pamphlet my midwife gave me, as well. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 The newborn hearing test is a set of baby head phones placed over the baby's ears and 2 gel patches put on baby's head. As different pitches and decibels are given, certain centers of the brain " fire " (synapses, indicating brain activity) and this is picked up and graphed on a screen while you watch (in a lot of hospitals, they will let parents watch or do it in your room). Like I said, I've seen many babies sleep right through this testing. Anyone have anything to add? We should probably take all of this OT. I wish I would have had my 28 mo-old tested as a newborn. Now he won't cooperate and is a late talker. So I always worry about hearing. Not vaxxed by the way, and still breastfed. Emma Mc Rowlett, TX _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of mensrea320@... Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:02 PM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Newborn screening how is the hearing test non invasive? What do they do? I heard they hook up electric equip to the baby's head. That doesn't sound non invasive to me. _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Are you a doctor or in the medical profession? Just wondering who is speaking. Thanks. Debra Vernon > > The newborn hearing test is a set of baby head phones placed over the baby's > ears and 2 gel patches put on baby's head. As different pitches and > decibels are given, certain centers of the brain " fire " (synapses, > indicating brain activity) and this is picked up and graphed on a screen > while you watch (in a lot of hospitals, they will let parents watch or do it > in your room). Like I said, I've seen many babies sleep right through this > testing. Anyone have anything to add? We should probably take all of this > OT. I wish I would have had my 28 mo-old tested as a newborn. Now he won't > cooperate and is a late talker. So I always worry about hearing. Not > vaxxed by the way, and still breastfed. > > > > Emma Mc > > Rowlett, TX > > > > _____ > > From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On > Behalf Of mensrea320@... > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:02 PM > Vaccinations > Subject: Re: Newborn screening > > > > how is the hearing test non invasive? What do they do? I heard they hook > up electric equip to the baby's head. That doesn't sound non invasive to me. > > _ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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