Re: Up To 50% of Fed Autism Claims May Be Mitochondrial Related

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In a message dated 3/6/2008 2:31:47 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

How do we know they had mitochondrial issues from birth, or that they

followed the first vaccines?

Sheri

Or is a result of the mother being vaccinated (before conception or during

pregnancy).

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Amen to that Sheri! As I wrote yesterday, one of my concerns has always

been the trans-generational harmful effects of vaccines. Not that I have

enough

scientific knowledge to make the claim, it just seems logical to me that the

vaccinated grandmother has a baby who is vaccinated, who then has a child

who is vaccinated....how could there not be serious issues from this?

And yes, who is to say that Hannah mitochondrial issues were not a result

of the infant vaccines?

I am excited today though to know that there are now reputable parents who

can get their story out and bring more light and truth to this. It is a good

day on that level for sure.

Mavis

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In a message dated 3/6/2008 8:35:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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How do we know they had mitochondrial issues from birth, or that they

followed the first vaccines?

Sheri

Or is a result of the mother being vaccinated (before conception or during

pregnancy).

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In a message dated 3/6/2008 8:49:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mum2mishka@... writes:

And does this mean they will be screening all babies for mitochondrial

disorders in the future before administering a vaccine, to preclude the same

thing happening again? I doubt it....

Sue x

I doubt it too. The fact that there were no screening test of any kind

available when I had my first baby 22 years ago was one of the reasons that I

opted out of all vaccines for her. That was long before autism was so rampant.

They could have done something a long time ago to protect the children but

they chose profit over safety, plain and simple!

Mavis

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And does this mean they will be screening all babies for mitochondrial

disorders in the future before administering a vaccine, to preclude the same

thing happening again? I doubt it....

Sue x

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Mitochondrial Related

In a message dated 3/6/2008 2:31:47 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

How do we know they had mitochondrial issues from birth, or that they

Followed the first vaccines?

Sheri

Or is a result of the mother being vaccinated (before conception or during

Pregnancy).

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That is exactly what I want to know. Mito tests are specialized. She was

a healthy child prior to the autism. So why would they have tested for

mito at the time she was a healthy child......

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hi... what is the treatment if it is mitochondrial based????????? LIa... who is leaving NO STONE UNTURNED... my DAN! doctor said my son has low metals... from the urine test... he is low in b vitamins and ALA... It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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Hi Mavis,

My son developed a genetic mutation & is vaccine damaged, so I have

researched genetic mutations for many years.

This comment was made in New Scientist about the young girl

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'DiMauro says it's significant that the girl's genetic mutation was

in the 16S ribosomal RNA gene, because these are very rare. Only four

others are known. The gene plays a pivotal role in protein

production, so any mutation that damages this function could have a

huge impact on other mitochondrial genes and energy production by

cells. " In the girl's case it would be important to prove protein

synthesis is disrupted, " he says '

The father of this young girl has the right medical background to

research the 'Origin of this RNA Gene ' if foreign ? & also to

properly research the 'Cause & Type of Genetic Mutation' plus also to

research if his daughters genetic mutation was triggered

by 'thimerosal ?

Think about where all the foreign RNA ends up that is injected into

our children-polio RNA, measles RNA etc all this foreign RNA & DNA

must end up incorporated in our DNA eventually hence the end result

could well & truly be a genetic mutation.

The gene that is mutated in my son's condition is a duplicated gene

AN EXTRA GENE !

You don't need a scientific background to work this out.

I think our children are unfortunately suffering damage caused by

many generations of vaccinations.

So I totally agree with your comment.

Rosemary

>

> Amen to that Sheri! As I wrote yesterday, one of my concerns has

always

> been the trans-generational harmful effects of vaccines. Not that

I have enough

> scientific knowledge to make the claim, it just seems logical to

me that the

> vaccinated grandmother has a baby who is vaccinated, who then has

a child

> who is vaccinated....how could there not be serious issues from

this?

>

> And yes, who is to say that Hannah mitochondrial issues were not

a result

> of the infant vaccines?

>

> I am excited today though to know that there are now reputable

parents who

> can get their story out and bring more light and truth to this.

It is a good

> day on that level for sure.

>

> Mavis

>

>

> ***Are Vaccines Safe?***

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

>

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> (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

>

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> (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

>

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

(http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

(http://909shot.com/)

>

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2008 8:35:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> crystldrgn72@... writes:

>

> How do we know they had mitochondrial issues from birth, or that

they

> followed the first vaccines?

> Sheri

>

> Or is a result of the mother being vaccinated (before conception

or during

> pregnancy).

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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thanks... the dan doctor recommended super nu thera and ALA supplements.. LiaIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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The basic " mito cocktail " is CoQ10, Carnitine and hig dose B vitamins.

Sound familiar?????

>

> hi... what is the treatment if it is mitochondrial based?????????

LIa... who

> is leaving NO STONE UNTURNED... my DAN! doctor said my son has low

metals...

> from the urine test... he is low in b vitamins and ALA...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do they just have to take these 3 supplements at the same time? Can it be at the same time as other supplements or does it have to be a separate deal?

How much? My son gets some of each but I hear about the mito cocktail all the time and just don't know how to go about giving it

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/6/2008 7:17:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, KRStagliano@... writes:

The basic "mito cocktail" is CoQ10, Carnitine and hig dose B vitamins. Sound familiar?????

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How common mitochrondrial conditions are in autistic kids. many scientists say that that condition is caused by the toxins in vaccines. maurinetrophyfish2 <gus@...> wrote: Dr. Geier stated in this interview last week that he picked the Poling case because it was TYPICAL, and up to 50% the cases could be Mitochondrial based. I'm already seeing the media downplaying this as a rare occurance.The following interview was conducted on Feb 27th 2008, it's about 1.5 hours in total

with D. Kirby and Dr. Geier.Autism Radio Linkhttp://tinyurl.com/2hh5vf

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opps. i meant to send this to a reporterMaurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote: How common mitochrondrial conditions are in autistic kids. many scientists say that that condition is caused by the toxins in vaccines. maurinetrophyfish2 <gusindedge> wrote: Dr. Geier stated in this interview last week that he picked the Poling case because it was TYPICAL, and up to

50% the cases could be Mitochondrial based. I'm already seeing the media downplaying this as a rare occurance.The following interview was conducted on Feb 27th 2008, it's about 1.5 hours in total with D. Kirby and Dr. Geier.Autism Radio Linkhttp://tinyurl.com/2hh5vf Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Yeah, maybe some of the " oldies " on here can remember when we would

buy vats of SuperNuThera, which is the same cocktail.

Sally

> >

> > hi... what is the treatment if it is mitochondrial based?????????

> LIa... who

> > is leaving NO STONE UNTURNED... my DAN! doctor said my son has

low

> metals...

> > from the urine test... he is low in b vitamins and ALA...

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is the test for Mitochondrial disorder? Is this something that

will go away with biomedical intervention? I suspect my kids had it

big time after their shots-their bodies just shut down.

They are left with ADD and speech issues after 7 years of biomed.

I'm wondering if this is something I need to work on with the " mito

cocktail. " My son took Super NuThera for 2+ years but over the years

I stopped giving it to him. Less is more with him. i guess my

question is ...Is mitochondrial disorder permanent? Holly

>

> Dr. Geier stated in this interview last week that he picked the

Poling

> case because it was TYPICAL, and up to 50% the cases could be

> Mitochondrial based. I'm already seeing the media downplaying this

as a

> rare occurance.

>

> The following interview was conducted on Feb 27th 2008, it's about

1.5

> hours in total with D. Kirby and Dr. Geier.

>

> Autism Radio Link

>

> http://tinyurl.com/2hh5vf

>

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EXACTLY.. I want to know about this.. if geier is saying 50% of kids with autism could be related to this... disorder... LiaIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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How common mitochrondrial conditions are in autistic kids. many scientists say that that condition is caused by the toxins in vaccines.

The totally mainstream neurology guru around here said a few years ago that maybe 20% of autism was related to mito dysfunction, and that was considered pretty "out there" at the time.  He totally pooh-poohed the thimerosal issue at the time, even when I pointed out that thimerosal was a known mitochondrial toxin.   Now we are seeing estimates up to 50%.   Mito dysfunction is very difficult to diagnose.  There are "soft" signs, such as pyruvate and lactate blood level abnormalities.  The definitive test is a muscle biopsy, and even with that you have have false negative results, and that's even if you go to one of the major mito places that do it all the time.(I sent my "friend" the mito guru some of the news links last evening.  Don't want him to be out of the loop.)

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Maurine - this is absolutely correct. Back when my newly post-vaccinated son started falling down all of the time (right after two multiple-dose vaccines of thimersol content) -- he had already been walking for three months, our pediatrician wanted to do a muscle biopsy using a geneticist (pre vaccine knowledge). His wife was the referred geneticist. The appointment was set for three months out. At that point he had not had a vaccine in six months and the geneticist wanted one more blood draw by the ped. to see what the pyruvate/lactate levels were. They were down from severe earlier elevation which indicated no mitochondrial disruption. Now I wish I would have had one more lab

after the Hep A vaccine he was forced to get before entering an early intervention program at school (age 3.5). At that point I still did not know about vaccine toxins.Mercury = mitochondrial disruption.Rox Re: Up To 50% of Fed Autism Claims May Be Mitochondrial Related

How common mitochrondrial conditions are in autistic kids. many scientists say that that condition is caused by the toxins in vaccines. maurinetrophyfish2 <gusindedge (DOT) com> wrote: Dr. Geier stated in this interview last week that he picked the Poling case because it was TYPICAL, and up to 50% the cases could be Mitochondrial based. I'm already seeing the media downplaying this as a rare occurance.The following interview was conducted on Feb 27th 2008, it's about 1.5 hours in total

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I always give the cocktail in the morning with their other morning vitamins.

They weigh

110 lbs (8 & 9 years old). I give them 50 mg of CoQ10, and 750 mg (another 750

in the

afternoon) of Acetyl l-Carnitine. They get high dose B vitamins in their multi

formula. I'm

sure your son still benefits if you are giving all of those supplements anyway.

>

>

> Do they just have to take these 3 supplements at the same time? Can it be

> at the same time as other supplements or does it have to be a separate deal?

>

> How much? My son gets some of each but I hear about the mito cocktail all

> the time and just don't know how to go about giving it

>

> Kerrie

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2008 7:17:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> KRStagliano@... writes:

>

> The basic " mito cocktail " is CoQ10, Carnitine and hig dose B vitamins.

> Sound familiar?????

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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My two

boys have been taking the mito cocktail (based on Dr. ’s formula) for almost 4 years.

It has to be compounded. Be careful with one of the ingredients – ALA (alpha lipoic acid),

which can be used as a chelation agent (an amino acid that crosses the BBB, and

circulate/pull-out the Hg from brain). I have communicated with Dr.

about the chelation property of ALA, of course, he intended for ALA to treat mito disorder ONLY (not looking into the chelating

effect). ALA is not harmful (but very beneficial) if one doesn’t have

mercury in the body. It gets rid of some mercury in one’s body ONLY

if used PROPERLY. So we have our neurologist (a colleague of Dr. )

write two scripts for our boys – one mito cocktail with ALA, and one without ALA. We use the one w/o

ALA through

the week (2-3 time per day), and use the one with ALA during the weekend

(given every 3-4 hours around the clock) for chelation. Just last week,

we run out of the one w/o ALA (pharmacy backorder), I gave my older child the one w/ ALA through the week (2-3

time/day) and his behaviors just deteriorated. This is the second time I

have inadvertently tested if my children can tolerate ALA given 2-3 times a

day. Obviously they are not ready. I know that some children can

tolerate it after years of chelation.

Hope the info helps.

Joy

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50% of Fed Autism Claims May Be Mitochondrial Related

Do they

just have to take these 3 supplements at the same time? Can it be at the

same time as other supplements or does it have to be a separate deal?

How

much? My son gets some of each but I hear about the mito cocktail all the time

and just don't know how to go about giving it

Kerrie

In a

message dated 3/6/2008 7:17:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, KRStaglianocharter (DOT) net writes:

The

basic " mito cocktail " is CoQ10, Carnitine and hig dose B vitamins.

Sound familiar?????

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