Re: Vaccines/shedding/daycare

[Guest guest]

Gosh I wish I can take my daughter to your future day

care.....wouldn't that be ideal?

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as

well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of a

concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed

kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ! There is a need here in the twin cities ( mn) for a cloth diaper,

organic, non vax friendly daycare. I want to be as informed as I can!

Sent from my iPod touch.

On May 7, 2008, at 5:48 PM, " kisses4chuly " <kisses4chuly@...> wrote:

Gosh I wish I can take my daughter to your future day

care.....wouldn't that be ideal?

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as

well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of a

concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed

kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

How old will the children be in your daycare? I'd be nervous about vaxes

babies/SIDS.

Maybe you could make it a " no-vax " daycare and then telling other parents won't

be an issue. I'll bet you'd have a good business going!

Winnie

Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

" Vaccinations "

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> as well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big

> of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

> are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

I am planning on taking one infant under 6 months only, and more than likely

wearing the baby much of the time to promote bonding and go along with the

premise of AP. Do you think it's legal to make a daycare no- vax? Its a great

idea..

Sent from my iPod touch.

On May 7, 2008, at 8:03 PM, wharrison@... wrote:

How old will the children be in your daycare? I'd be nervous about vaxes

babies/SIDS.

Maybe you could make it a " no-vax " daycare and then telling other parents won't

be an issue. I'll bet you'd have a good business going!

Winnie

Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

" Vaccinations "

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> as well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big

> of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

> are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

There is a site called " Meet Up " they are all over the country in many

communities

(do a search for your area) and you may very well find non-vaxing parents who

need your services. Then your issues will not be issues right from the git go.

If for some reason there is not a Meet Up with your criteria, perhaps you can

start one and then market your business for No Vax Kids Daycare.

I think No Vax Daycare is a GREAT idea and I like it as much as No Peanut

Daycare, Fragrance Free Daycare (for kids with Asthma and Fragrance

sensitivities) etc. There is a HUGE need for these daycares and I think the

market has yet to be tapped into.

Just my 2 pennies.

K

================================================

szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

I am planning on taking one infant under 6 months only, and more than

likely wearing the baby much of the time to promote bonding and go along with

the premise of AP. Do you think it's legal to make a daycare no- vax? Its a

great idea..

Sent from my iPod touch.

On May 7, 2008, at 8:03 PM, wharrison@... wrote:

How old will the children be in your daycare? I'd be nervous about vaxes

babies/SIDS.

Maybe you could make it a " no-vax " daycare and then telling other parents won't

be an issue. I'll bet you'd have a good business going!

Winnie

Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

" Vaccinations "

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> as well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big

> of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

> are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

It probably depends what state you're in. I'm in California, & have

had an in-home daycare for 2 years, also taking infants under 6

months & usually keeping them until about 2 years of age.

Personally, I've found being completely honest about not vaxing my

kids, co-sleeping, nursing, etc. scares many parents away. It's a

very touchy business I'm finding, & I've decided, it's really none of

their business if I vax or not. The parents I've had are extremely

uneducated on the subject, & when it does come up, they are

dumbfounded there's even an option. One parent did decide, after

some research, to stop vaxing her son....so, 1 down how many to go,

LOL? I do semi- " quarentine " the babies following certain vaccines, &

am amazed at parents when they bring me these babies straight from

the docs office after being shot up....WOW?? I'd love to take only

unvaxed, nursed, babies, but unfortunately the YMCA frowns upon it

(even in CA), which is where most of my business comes from. I even

offered myself as a childcare option for parents after our pox

parties, since I'd much rather have a kid with pox than one shedding

the vaccine, LOL. Also, we're NEVER allowed to share ANY info about

any child in our care (regarding vaxing or anything else) with any

other parent, we get into a lot of trouble for that. I'm not even

allowed to have a roster anywhere that is visible, due to privacy

issues. At least that's how it works here in CA. I wish you all the

best, & good luck!

>

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as

well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of a

concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods, are

there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed kids

healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

I really don't think that you should have to divulge any information to

other parents about the vax status as it would be an invasion of their health

privacy.

I would not in this day and age accept vaccinated children as the risk are

too high that they will have an adverse reaction in your care and that you

would be falsely accused of shaken baby syndrome. My cousin is jailed now for

this very thing. There is a group on about falsely accused SBS and it

is just too risky in my opinion to chance losing your liberty and all that you

have to defend yourself for something that you did not do. Something to

consider seriously here. It would be great if you could fill your slots with

unvaccinated children.

Mavis

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In a message dated 5/8/2008 7:16:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

wharrison@... writes:

I don't know about the legalities--I don't know about the

legalities--<WBR>good question. I wonder if anyone has done

Winnie

----- Original Message -----

From: szahratka

Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 9:18 pm

Subject: Re: Vaccines/ " shedding " Subject:

" _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ (mailto:Vaccinations ) "

> I am planning on taking one infant under 6 months only, and more

> than likely wearing the baby much of the time to promote bonding

> and go along with the premise of AP. Do you think it's legal to

> make a daycare no- vax? Its a great idea..

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

> On May 7, 2008, at 8:03 PM, _wharrison@optonlinewhar_

(mailto:wharrison@...) wrote:

>

> How old will the children be in your daycare? I'd be nervous

> about vaxes babies/SIDS.

>

> Maybe you could make it a " no-vax " daycare and then telling

> other parents won't be an issue. I'll bet you'd have a good

> business going!

>

> Winnie

> Vaccines/ " shedding " Subject

> " _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ (mailto:Vaccinations ) "

>

> > Hi All,

> > In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> > questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> > as well.

> > First, I know that my son as well as other children that I

> will

> > take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How

> big

> > of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

> >

> > Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome

> foods,

> > are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> > unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

> >

> > Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do

> I

> > have to share whether kids are vaxed

> >

> > Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> > confident parent.

> > Susie

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[Guest guest]

I don't know about the legalities--good question. I wonder if anyone has done it

before or knows of one in this group.

Winnie

Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

> " Vaccinations "

>

> > Hi All,

> > In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> > questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> > as well.

> > First, I know that my son as well as other children that I

> will

> > take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How

> big

> > of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

> >

> > Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome

> foods,

> > are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> > unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

> >

> > Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do

> I

> > have to share whether kids are vaxed

> >

> > Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> > confident parent.

> > Susie

> >

> >

> > Sent from my iPod touch.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I too, would not take any babies that are not vaxed. Come to think

of it, I do remember reading a story about a poor mother who is in

jail right now charged with Shaken Baby Syndrome for 4 out of her 5

babies. She claims the vaccines are responsible. I were err on the

side of caution if you were only going to take non-vaccinated

children though. You don't want to be sued for discrimination.

Check with your state's policies on daycare or even check with a

lawyer. Worst case scenario, team up with anti-vaccine groups and

spread the word about your daycare services that way.

> >

> > How old will the children be in your daycare? I'd be nervous

> > about vaxes babies/SIDS.

> >

> > Maybe you could make it a " no-vax " daycare and then telling

> > other parents won't be an issue. I'll bet you'd have a good

> > business going!

> >

> > Winnie

> > Vaccines/ " shedding " Subject

> > " _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

(mailto:Vaccinations ) "

>

> >

> > > Hi All,

> > > In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> > > questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> > > as well.

> > > First, I know that my son as well as other children that I

> > will

> > > take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How

> > big

> > > of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

> > >

> > > Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome

> > foods,

> > > are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> > > unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

> > >

> > > Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do

> > I

> > > have to share whether kids are vaxed

> > >

> > > Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> > > confident parent.

> > > Susie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

-More power to you girl!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks ! There is a need here in the twin cities ( mn) for a cloth

diaper, organic, non vax friendly daycare. I want to be as informed

as I can!

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

> On May 7, 2008, at 5:48 PM, " kisses4chuly " <kisses4chuly@...>

wrote:

>

> Gosh I wish I can take my daughter to your future day

> care.....wouldn't that be ideal?

>

> Rina

>

> -- In Vaccinations , szahratka <szahratka@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> > In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as

> well.

> > First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of

a

> concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

> >

> > Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

> are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed

> kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

> >

> > Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

> >

> > Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> > Susie

> >

> >

> > Sent from my iPod touch.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm not a lawyer, but when I was in Real Estate School we had a whole

unit devoted to discrimination, because it can mean keeping or losing your

license. What I was taught is that it is unlawful to discriminate against

the " protected classes " which are: race, ethnicity, religion or sect,

color, national origin, age, sex, familial status, veteran status,

disability or political affiliation. BUT, it is legal to discriminate for

other reasons... for instance, one of the property managers that I dealt

with would always look in the back seat of potential renter's cars. If the

back seat was unorganized and dirty, he wouldn't rent to them because he

felt they were less likely to upkeep the rental properly. An

african-american family actually filed a complaint against him for racial

discrimination, but the landlord was not charged after thorough

investigation, because that family, indeed, did not have a clean back seat.

Dirty back seats are not a " protected class " . I'd say neither are

vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children.... but I'd consult an attorney in your

area for more feedback on the subject.

Good luck with your daycare venture... I'd use you if you were in my area!

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:18 PM, szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> I am planning on taking one infant under 6 months only, and more than

likely

> wearing the baby much of the time to promote bonding and go along with the

> premise of AP. Do you think it's legal to make a daycare no- vax? Its a

> great idea..

[Guest guest]

You know, you could incorporate the non-vax thing right into your

advertising... Make a brochure that you hand out to any potential customer.

On the cover, plainly state that you are a home daycare that caters to the

non-vaccinated. This way you give the vaxers an opt-out... there are so

many parents that are afraid of their children being around the

unvaccinated... that would probably weed out a lot of vaxers without having

to actually tell them you won't accept them into your care.

Just a thought!

[Guest guest]

That's a great idea ! Thanks.. You are so right .

Sent from my iPod touch.

On May 8, 2008, at 9:51 AM, " Roberg " <trinnea@...> wrote:

You know, you could incorporate the non-vax thing right into your

advertising... Make a brochure that you hand out to any potential customer.

On the cover, plainly state that you are a home daycare that caters to the

non-vaccinated. This way you give the vaxers an opt-out... there are so

many parents that are afraid of their children being around the

unvaccinated... that would probably weed out a lot of vaxers without having

to actually tell them you won't accept them into your care.

Just a thought!

[Guest guest]

-OOOHHHH where are you in California? I am in Cali too and

I have not come across any daycares with the actual provider(that I

know of) who shares the same kind of parenting and values as I do.

My daughter is currently in a daycare that we do love, but she does

feed them " less than optimal " kinds of food. Processed can soups,

noodles and stuff like that. I tried bringing her lunch a couple

times but I think the lady gets bothered as she tries to feed the

kids all the same thing I guess to be fair! I am just happy she

feeds her.....

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , " " <kimberlyire@...>

wrote:

>

> It probably depends what state you're in. I'm in California, &

have

> had an in-home daycare for 2 years, also taking infants under 6

> months & usually keeping them until about 2 years of age.

> Personally, I've found being completely honest about not vaxing my

> kids, co-sleeping, nursing, etc. scares many parents away. It's a

> very touchy business I'm finding, & I've decided, it's really none

of

> their business if I vax or not. The parents I've had are

extremely

> uneducated on the subject, & when it does come up, they are

> dumbfounded there's even an option. One parent did decide, after

> some research, to stop vaxing her son....so, 1 down how many to

go,

> LOL? I do semi- " quarentine " the babies following certain

vaccines, &

> am amazed at parents when they bring me these babies straight from

> the docs office after being shot up....WOW?? I'd love to take

only

> unvaxed, nursed, babies, but unfortunately the YMCA frowns upon it

> (even in CA), which is where most of my business comes from. I

even

> offered myself as a childcare option for parents after our pox

> parties, since I'd much rather have a kid with pox than one

shedding

> the vaccine, LOL. Also, we're NEVER allowed to share ANY info

about

> any child in our care (regarding vaxing or anything else) with any

> other parent, we get into a lot of trouble for that. I'm not even

> allowed to have a roster anywhere that is visible, due to privacy

> issues. At least that's how it works here in CA. I wish you all

the

> best, & good luck!

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as

> well.

> > First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of

a

> concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

> >

> > Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

are

> there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed kids

> healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

> >

> > Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

> >

> > Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> > Susie

> >

> >

> > Sent from my iPod touch.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I agree, the option of an " unvaxed " -friendly daycare service would be

great.

I can't answer to whether you would need to divulge the non-vax status

of children. My guess would be " no " based on HIPAA privacy issues. In

fact, if I were in your position I would refuse to share citing

liability reasons. Any information not publicly published or casually

observable can be considered protected health information. Whether or

not daycares fall under HIPAA (Federal Privacy) guidelines I'm not

sure, but let whoever wants to know prove otherwise and blame the

federal guidelines for your reluctance to share. The buzz phrase is

" protected health information " .

I can attest to the issue of having an unvaxed child in a daycare

facility. Granted our unvaxed son (zero vaccinations since birth) was

not a fulltime enrollee only about 3 half days per week since the age

of 4 (that's 4 years now) and has done just fine. He actually picks up

very few " bugs " that afflict many of the children at daycare. He's now

7 1/2 years old and has had only 3-4 prescriptions for antibiotics for

non-responsive Upper Respiratory Tract infections. I, being a

chiropractor however, adjust him regularly and work on immune points

with acupuncture along with utilizing nutitionals, herbals and

homeopathic formulas, that may give him a slight edge over the other

children. I have never been concerned about viral sloughing.

As for keeping the unvaxed children healthy, dietary factors are

probably one of the best things you can do as a provider. Other

things such as specific supplements may be able to be done with signed

authorizations from parents. Another thing you may consider is

arranging and sponsoring wellness workshops for your unvaxed families.

I'm sure if you approached local community members with knowledge in

different aspects of health/wellness/nutrition/stress mgmt they would

be happy to do a brief workshop for your group. I do a number of these

through the year for various groups in my area. (Many of us will do

them at no charge to you) This would help parents know what they can

do and wouldn't want to do at home to help keep their unvaxed child's

immune system healthy. Help them be more healthy. Also great PR for

your daycare service.

You may also want to consider " green " cleaners. You may be limited on

what you can and can't use for disinfecting but try to avoid toxic

cleaners disinfectants and pesticides. all of which can have a

negative affect on the immune response over time(even chlorine bleach).

I'm getting down off my soap box now. :-) Just my thoughts.

Russ

>

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge as well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will take

are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big of a

concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods, are

there other things I can do as a provider to keep the unvaxed kids

healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I have

to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

Also try the " finding your tribe " section of Motheringdotcommune.  Parents are

always looking there.

I think you are going to do really well.  People are waking up!

good luck.

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

" Vaccinations "

> Hi All,

> In the near future i am opening a home daycare. I have a few

> questions that I will google for info, but want your knowledge

> as well.

> First, I know that my son as well as other children that I will

> take are not vaxed. I am sure I will have kids who are. How big

> of a concern is " shedding " after being vaccinated?

>

> Secondly, besides boosting immunity by serving wholesome foods,

> are there other things I can do as a provider to keep the

> unvaxed kids healthy, if indeed shedding can happen.

>

> Last- and yes, I will research this, but if a parent asks, do I

> have to share whether kids are vaxed

>

> Thanks much- this group has helped make me a more educated and

> confident parent.

> Susie

>

>

> Sent from my iPod touch.

>

[Guest guest]

But how about if she advertises as " holistic type day care setting "

than she can bring in those types of parents. More than likely that

brings parents of non-vaxxed kids and babies. It can be illegal to

advertise what kind of daycare your setting is

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am planning on taking one infant under 6 months only, and more

than

> likely

> > wearing the baby much of the time to promote bonding and go

along with the

>

> > premise of AP. Do you think it's legal to make a daycare no-

vax? Its a

> > great idea..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good idea. And think about it in reverse--what about those who don't vax getting

discriminated against by daycare providers? That happens, too.

Winnie

Re: Re: Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

Vaccinations

> You know, you could incorporate the non-vax thing right into your

> advertising... Make a brochure that you hand out to any

> potential customer.

> On the cover, plainly state that you are a home daycare that

> caters to the

> non-vaccinated. This way you give the vaxers an opt-out...

> there are so

> many parents that are afraid of their children being around the

> unvaccinated... that would probably weed out a lot of vaxers

> without having

> to actually tell them you won't accept them into your care.

>

> Just a thought!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I'd better watch what people are looking into the back seat (and

passenger seat) of my commuter car. I'd probably never get an

apartment. :-)

As far as I know, in MD (I did a small amount of research when I was

considering opening a home daycare instead of going back to work),

unless you are funded by a governmental agency or receive some kind of

aid to run your daycare, you can accept/deny anybody you want.

Aileen

>... for instance, one of the property managers that I dealt

> with would always look in the back seat of potential renter's cars.

If the

> back seat was unorganized and dirty, he wouldn't rent to them

because he

> felt they were less likely to upkeep the rental properly.

[Guest guest]

This kind of situation is a huge problem in my book. How often do we look after

children, without being told of vaccination status? Imagine if a friend asked

you to take care of thier child for a couple of hours, while they go shopping,

and don't tell you they just took them for shots. The baby then dies.

I did have friends once who had a baby die in their care. They will have a dark

cloud of suspicion over them for ever, even though they did nothing wrong.

Luckily for them the cause of death didn't point to SBS, but SIDS instead. I

don't know if there was any vaccination link, due to the fact I knew these

people before I did any research.

Personally, I feel if a private day care can demand children be vaxed for entry,

then it is only fair that one could also demand they be non vaxed for entry. I

know things are not so logical in the real world unfortunately. Sometimes I

wonder if there is any logic at all.

Fieldman

Re: Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

I really don't think that you should have to divulge any information to

other parents about the vax status as it would be an invasion of their health

privacy.

I would not in this day and age accept vaccinated children as the risk are

too high that they will have an adverse reaction in your care and that you

would be falsely accused of shaken baby syndrome. My cousin is jailed now for

this very thing. There is a group on about falsely accused SBS and it

is just too risky in my opinion to chance losing your liberty and all that you

have to defend yourself for something that you did not do. Something to

consider seriously here. It would be great if you could fill your slots with

unvaccinated children.

Mavis

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This is where the legal system sucks. Demanding that children be non vaxed is

no more discriminating than demanding they be vaxed. And just because there are

more people who vax than those who don't, the law can certainly call us the bad

guys.

Money talks in the end. If you have it to pay for the best legal help, then the

law will be on your side. If not, then just take what it dishes out. I have

first hand knowledge of this, as my brother is charged with culpable driving

causing death. The accident was the dead mans fault, with no doubt. But it

will cost our family, a minimum of $100,000 to keep my brother out of jail. If

a mistrial is called, then another $100,000. We can take a chance, and just

hope he gets off. But there are no guarantees, even though he is not guilty.

Not only that. We are trying to get custody of my partners 2 kids. If the fact

we don't vax was ever mentioned, then I am sure it would go against us in a

bigger way, than anything else could. Especially when the mother is a

hypochondriac, who sends the kids to the doc for absolutely everything,

including growing pains. They get more antibiotics in one year, than both my

children put together in their lifetime. (This equates to one course for my

oldest, btw). I had an aversion to antibiotics way before the vax issue came

up.

Fieldman

Re: Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

I were err on the

side of caution if you were only going to take non-vaccinated

children though. You don't want to be sued for discrimination.

Check with your state's policies on daycare or even check with a

lawyer. Worst case scenario, team up with anti-vaccine groups and

spread the word about your daycare services that way.

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And then, when parents are enquiring about enrolment, she could mention that

they will have to keep kids at home after vaccination for a certain length of

time. The ones who vax will just go somewhere else anyway, without any need for

demanding non vax. They won't like being told that. Even though it is really

no different to us being told to keep kids home during and outbreak of anything.

Fieldman

Re: Vaccines/ " shedding " /daycare

But how about if she advertises as " holistic type day care setting "

than she can bring in those types of parents. More than likely that

brings parents of non-vaxxed kids and babies. It can be illegal to

advertise what kind of daycare your setting is

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[Guest guest]

Excellent point, Winnie! If *they* can discriminate against our children

and deny them care, then *we* should be able to use the same discrimination

to deny vax'd children into our care.

And Aileen... you and me both! If they saw how many " Cheddar Bunnies " and

" Barbara's O's " are on the back floorboard of my car, I'd be in BIG trouble

trying to rent a place! LOL

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

>

> Good idea. And think about it in reverse--what about those who don't vax

getting discriminated against by daycare providers? That happens, too.

>

> Winnie