Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 I know it's just another scare tactic but these articles always make me SO mad! Just wondering if anyone else had read it yet. http://www.babycenter.com/204_many-u-s-toddlers-not-on-schedule-with- vaccines_5231725.bc?scid=momstodd_20080505:2 & pe=2TWeaeu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Anytime I see an article like that, I email the publisher/reporter with tons of alarming info. I never do get a response, but it makes me feel better knowing that I may have planted a seed in their mind. > > I know it's just another scare tactic but these articles always make me > SO mad! Just wondering if anyone else had read it yet. > > http://www.babycenter.com/204_many-u-s-toddlers-not-on-schedule-with- > vaccines_5231725.bc?scid=momstodd_20080505:2 & pe=2TWeaeu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 So have you actually read the bill? I am not saying that I agree with it as a whole, but what is written below is NOT what it actually says - It is an assumption made about what will happen - that is different. Yes, I agree it can be abused and that IS an issue, as well as the fact that is big-brotherish, but the actual bill is stating that those persons should be counseled to prepare their documents and CHOICES regarding advance directives, living wills, health care proxy, orders for life sustaining treatment, etc. It does NOT state that people will be told how to end their lives the cheapest and most quickly. it ABSOLUTELY does NOT say this. This is assumed and sure it may be a possibility if abused, but I don't like when a single persons interpretation is stated as actual data. It IS actually true that a lot of people (old and young) in America have not prepared any of these documents. Many of them are pretty confusing and I think many people should have access to help and counsel on their completion, NOT just the people paying $1500 or more to set up a will or estate trust using a lawyer who will go over all the stuff with them. I personally have made one - have you? I don't see anything wrong with people planning ahead so that they can make their OWN decisions on the matter before someone else does. If everyone did it when they were younger or at least middle age, and kept it up to date, then it wouldn't be necessary to work with older people who may not have their full cognitive functioning left. If you want to read the ACTUAL verbage for yourself, go here, then type in p. 425 http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf Again, I am not saying I agree with this health care bill, but there is enough actually wrong with the bill than to need to make things up that aren't actually in there. We have enough fear mongering going on already with everything else going on in our country and the world. Thanks for reading. Sorry for the off topic rant. C. > > > > > > I received > this from the US > today > > > > Hear this > interview at this link: > > http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > google Betsy McCaughey and find her article in the Wall Street Journal. > I'm about ready to march on Washington > . How about you? > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is devoting > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report for > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, refusal > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions and on > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > illness such as cancer, heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > I copied all > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > . Also look at www.Defendyourhealthcare.com > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > yesterday.. > > > > Please spread > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, they > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > Heaven help us ! > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld Australia > > ____________________________ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 , Did you ever stop to think that what you believe the definition of terms are in that piece of legislation may not be the actual term definitions? What is the definition of End of Life Counseling? Is it just about living wills? If that's true why not just say " Living Will Counseling " . Why is it " End of Life " ? I have read much of the legislation, including this page and the fact that it is so wide open and leaves so much to interpretation means that the interpretations will be made and the president has said himself that if the surgeries or procedures are of little benefit maybe it's better to just take a pain pill. Who decides what constitutes a benefit? And perhaps the End of Life counseling will help the elderly see the " benefit " or lack there of in continuing treatment.... The fact is if legislation does not forbid something it is opening the door to it at this point. And calling it " End of Life " instead of " Living Will " counseling is in and of itself quite ominous! Page 432 " IN GENERAL.---For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and adherence to orders for life sustaining treatment. " What organization are they talking about?? It could be anything! Some organization that feels it's better to cut costs and tell the elderly to choose assisted suicide or opt out of surgeries/treatments and just let " nature take it's course " . The fact that we are going to be forced into this " health plan " if we want it or not doesn't bother you? I was on Medicaid for my pregnancy. It was a blessing to have the expenses covered but if my husband hadn't been paying so much in social security taxes and other taxes we could have afforded health insurance. When i went in to the ER when my c-section wound ruptured I was giving the Medicaid treatment of a wet to dry bandage and sent on my way. Fortunately for me my doctor felt that was a recipe for infection and ordered me put on a wound vacuum and nurse care 3 days a week to rebandage and clean up the wound, also monitor healing and any signs of infection. I had to see him once a week. Medicaid wasn't pleased but he forced the issue. God knows what would have happened if he didn't stick his neck out for me. Dawn Catala wrote: > > > So have you actually read the bill? I am not saying that I agree with > it as a whole, but what is written below is NOT what it actually says > - It is an assumption made about what will happen - that is different. > Yes, I agree it can be abused and that IS an issue, as well as the > fact that is big-brotherish, but the actual bill is stating that those > persons should be counseled to prepare their documents and CHOICES > regarding advance directives, living wills, health care proxy, orders > for life sustaining treatment, etc. > > It does NOT state that people will be told how to end their lives the > cheapest and most quickly. it ABSOLUTELY does NOT say this. This is > assumed and sure it may be a possibility if abused, but I don't like > when a single persons interpretation is stated as actual data. > > It IS actually true that a lot of people (old and young) in America > have not prepared any of these documents. Many of them are pretty > confusing and I think many people should have access to help and > counsel on their completion, NOT just the people paying $1500 or more > to set up a will or estate trust using a lawyer who will go over all > the stuff with them. I personally have made one - have you? I don't > see anything wrong with people planning ahead so that they can make > their OWN decisions on the matter before someone else does. If > everyone did it when they were younger or at least middle age, and > kept it up to date, then it wouldn't be necessary to work with older > people who may not have their full cognitive functioning left. > > If you want to read the ACTUAL verbage for yourself, go here, then > type in p. 425 > http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf > <http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf> > > Again, I am not saying I agree with this health care bill, but there > is enough actually wrong with the bill than to need to make things up > that aren't actually in there. We have enough fear mongering going on > already with everything else going on in our country and the world. > > Thanks for reading. Sorry for the off topic rant. > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I mentioned Obama following Hitler's playbook! I'll get more specific info on this but here's an interesting email from my dad on this: *I will have to look it up again, but his first economic policy of Hitler was to appoint two doctors to go around to hospitals and old folks homes, as well as, the young who had various birth illnesses and determine whether their quality of live was good and whether they should be disposed of by starvation. After doing away with 250,000 people, seventy percent of the people in Germany, determine that, Hitler was the most compassionate person in the world. I only hope that we don't make the same mistakes! Only those who study history will know this!* On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Dawn (Pendraig) <blaidd2@...>wrote: > > > , > > Did you ever stop to think that what you believe the definition of terms > are in that piece of legislation may not be the actual term definitions? > > What is the definition of End of Life Counseling? Is it just about > living wills? If that's true why not just say " Living Will > Counseling " . Why is it " End of Life " ? > > I have read much of the legislation, including this page and the fact > that it is so wide open and leaves so much to interpretation means that > the interpretations will be made and the president has said himself that > if the surgeries or procedures are of little benefit maybe it's better > to just take a pain pill. Who decides what constitutes a benefit? And > perhaps the End of Life counseling will help the elderly see the > " benefit " or lack there of in continuing treatment.... > > The fact is if legislation does not forbid something it is opening the > door to it at this point. And calling it " End of Life " instead of > " Living Will " counseling is in and of itself quite ominous! > > Page 432 > > " IN GENERAL.---For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for > covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent > year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall > include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning > that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if > appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and > adherence to orders for life sustaining treatment. " > > What organization are they talking about?? It could be anything! Some > organization that feels it's better to cut costs and tell the elderly to > choose assisted suicide or opt out of surgeries/treatments and just let > " nature take it's course " . > > The fact that we are going to be forced into this " health plan " if we > want it or not doesn't bother you? > > I was on Medicaid for my pregnancy. It was a blessing to have the > expenses covered but if my husband hadn't been paying so much in social > security taxes and other taxes we could have afforded health insurance. > > When i went in to the ER when my c-section wound ruptured I was giving > the Medicaid treatment of a wet to dry bandage and sent on my way. > Fortunately for me my doctor felt that was a recipe for infection and > ordered me put on a wound vacuum and nurse care 3 days a week to > rebandage and clean up the wound, also monitor healing and any signs of > infection. I had to see him once a week. Medicaid wasn't pleased but > he forced the issue. > > God knows what would have happened if he didn't stick his neck out for me. > > Dawn > > > Catala wrote: > > > > > > So have you actually read the bill? I am not saying that I agree with > > it as a whole, but what is written below is NOT what it actually says > > - It is an assumption made about what will happen - that is different. > > Yes, I agree it can be abused and that IS an issue, as well as the > > fact that is big-brotherish, but the actual bill is stating that those > > persons should be counseled to prepare their documents and CHOICES > > regarding advance directives, living wills, health care proxy, orders > > for life sustaining treatment, etc. > > > > It does NOT state that people will be told how to end their lives the > > cheapest and most quickly. it ABSOLUTELY does NOT say this. This is > > assumed and sure it may be a possibility if abused, but I don't like > > when a single persons interpretation is stated as actual data. > > > > It IS actually true that a lot of people (old and young) in America > > have not prepared any of these documents. Many of them are pretty > > confusing and I think many people should have access to help and > > counsel on their completion, NOT just the people paying $1500 or more > > to set up a will or estate trust using a lawyer who will go over all > > the stuff with them. I personally have made one - have you? I don't > > see anything wrong with people planning ahead so that they can make > > their OWN decisions on the matter before someone else does. If > > everyone did it when they were younger or at least middle age, and > > kept it up to date, then it wouldn't be necessary to work with older > > people who may not have their full cognitive functioning left. > > > > If you want to read the ACTUAL verbage for yourself, go here, then > > type in p. 425 > > http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf > > <http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf> > > > > Again, I am not saying I agree with this health care bill, but there > > is enough actually wrong with the bill than to need to make things up > > that aren't actually in there. We have enough fear mongering going on > > already with everything else going on in our country and the world. > > > > Thanks for reading. Sorry for the off topic rant. > > > > C. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This was sent to me from a friend who recently had treatment in Ca. You know, there are times when I have seen that snopes is not accurate. And this is one. I have read the Bill, various links, and the link provided to the blog with interest. One glaring sentence in the blog jumped out and it made me cringe. " ... and one of the most shocking things I found in this bill - and there were many - is on page 425 where the Congress would make it mandatory, absolutely required, that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner. How to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into hospice care... " At the end of this quote the blogger goes on to state..... " Um, no. " I am here to state, " Um, yes. " And I will tell you why. My recent visit to the State of California, especially the hospital, was very enlightening. I have heard that California is the first to implement these healthcare changes. I don't know what the policy is in other states, so I cannot say this for sure. However, I was in California. I was in the hospital there, and what I witnessed was very disturbing. First of all, when I was admitted into the hospital, they thought that there was something seriously wrong with me. Much more serious than a pulmonary infection and asthma. For one thing, I was put on the floor for lung cancer patients. While there, I observed many interactions between doctors and patients and as I felt better, I was able to walk around and personally visit with the patients there. One of the big changes coming to our country is facilitated deaths which are to be done under the guise of hospice care. No, let me rephrase that. The truth is that facilitated deaths are already here. I know for a fact that it is being implemented in the State of California. Take a look at the portion of the quoted text that is in bold. This is one of the ways that they are doing it. By withholding nourishment. In a conversation with one of the patients daughter's, hospice care came up. Her mother happened to be my roommate. Under professional advice, it was recommended that she put her mother in hospice. There are two blessings in this particular situation. The first is that the daughter elected to care for the mother at home. The second is that she had the freedom to be able to remove her from the " hospice " situation. Her major complaint was that she was instructed not to give her mother food or liquids unless she specifically asked for them. And you know, I guess not knowing better and trusting that these people knew what they were talking about, she complied. After day 4 of very little to no nourishment, yes, her mother was dying. She took one look at her and saw the drastic change, the graying skin, and became overcome with panic. After finding it necessary to remove her from hospice, she called an ambulance to have her brought to the hospital. The problem was dehydration. Once hydrated, she started eating normally and regained normal skin color. Through the hospital curtain, I witnessed a conversation between the daughter and her mother's doctor where the daughter described what had transpired during hospice and the doctor's reply was to state that older patients are put into hospice earlier than needed and that " hospice tends to facilitate death. " Then he said....... " Your mom still has a lot of life left in her. " Well, there is still honesty in the medical profession. Some still do have a heart. I am afraid that the proposals in this Bill are not only about to happen but that they are already occurring in some parts of the country. Either the blogger referenced in the prior post is grossly misinformed or she is purposely deceiving the public. And this is mainstream medicine's and mainstream media's main tactic. To slyly deceive the public. At this time more than ever we need common sense. From: Goss <natmedrocks@...> Subject: Has anyone read this? Vaccinations Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM I received this from the US today Hear this interview at this link: http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h PLEASE READ ALL. THIS IS SCAREY. If you don't believe this, then google Betsy McCaughey and find her article in the Wall Street Journal. I'm about ready to march on Washington ... How about you? Are we ready to allow this? Betsy McCaughey (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is devoting her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report for counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, refusal of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions and on and on. If a person is identified to have a serious illness such as cancer, heart disease and so on, then they will have to report every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. I copied all this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h ... Also look at www.Defendyourhealthcare.com for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio yesterday.. Please spread the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, they knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in Heaven help us ! - G'mother of 4 - Qld Australia ____________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Wow! People should ask themselves how any country of people can eventually be OK with killing off others as they did in Nazi Germany??? What started it? The didn't just round up the Jews one day - a lot happened before that to prepare people for this. And these were people just like us. We are no different - EXCEPT we have the internet where information is more available. What are we going to do differently? Thanks for posting this!!! Has anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm This lists the 10 Guides (commandments) #1: *Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.* How does one do that when the world's population is 6.7 billion now? I heard that Bill Clinton said we need to reduce the population by 1 billion. Vaccines, genetic engineered seeds, government run healthcare, auto & banking - it's all tied together and none of it is to " help " people. It is designed clearly to " hurt " and " control " . On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Maracuja <howdurdago@...> wrote: > > > This was sent to me from a friend who recently had > treatment in Ca. > > You know, there are times when I have seen that snopes is not accurate. > And this is one. > > I > have read the Bill, various links, and the link provided to the blog > with interest. One glaring sentence in the blog jumped out and it made > me cringe. > > " ... and one of the most shocking things I found in this bill - and there > were many - is on page 425 where the Congress would make it mandatory, > absolutely > required, that every five years people in Medicare have a required > counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner. > How to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into > hospice care... " > > At the end of this quote the blogger goes on to state..... " Um, no. " > > I > am here to state, " Um, yes. " And I will tell you why. My recent visit > to the State of California, especially the hospital, was very > enlightening. I have heard that California is the first to implement > these healthcare changes. I don't know what the policy is in other > states, so I cannot say this for sure. However, I was in California. > I was in the hospital there, and what I witnessed was very disturbing. > > First > of all, when I was admitted into the hospital, they thought that there > was something seriously wrong with me. Much more serious than a > pulmonary infection and asthma. For one thing, I was put on the floor > for lung cancer patients. While there, I observed many interactions > between doctors and patients and as I felt better, I was able to walk > around and personally visit with the patients there. > > One of > the big changes coming to our country is facilitated deaths which are > to be done under the guise of hospice care. No, let me rephrase that. > The truth is that facilitated deaths are already here. I know for a > fact that it is being implemented in the State of California. > > Take > a look at the portion of the quoted text that is in bold. This is one > of the ways that they are doing it. By withholding nourishment. In a > conversation with one of the patients daughter's, hospice care came > up. Her mother happened to be my roommate. Under professional advice, > it was recommended that she put her mother in hospice. There are two > blessings in this particular situation. The first is that the daughter > elected to care for the mother at home. The second is that she had the > freedom to be able to remove her from the " hospice " situation. > > Her major complaint was that she was instructed > not to give her mother food or liquids unless she specifically asked > for them. And you know, I guess not knowing better and trusting that > these people knew what they were talking about, she complied. After > day 4 of very little to no nourishment, yes, her mother was dying. She > took one look at her and saw the drastic change, the graying skin, and > became overcome with panic. After finding it necessary to remove her > from hospice, she called an ambulance to have her brought to the > hospital. The problem was dehydration. Once hydrated, she started > eating normally and regained normal skin color. > > Through the > hospital curtain, I witnessed a conversation between the daughter and > her mother's doctor where the daughter described what had transpired > during hospice and the doctor's reply was to state that older patients > are put into hospice earlier than needed and that " hospice tends to > facilitate death. " Then he said....... " Your mom still has a lot of > life left in her. " Well, there is still honesty in the medical > profession. Some still do have a heart. > > I > am afraid that the proposals in this Bill are not only about to happen > but that they are already occurring in some parts of the country. > > Either > the blogger referenced in the prior post is grossly misinformed or she > is purposely deceiving the public. And this is mainstream medicine's > and mainstream media's main tactic. To slyly deceive the public. > > At this time more than ever we need common sense. > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks@... <natmedrocks%40.au>> > Subject: Has anyone read this? > Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > I received > this from the US > today > > > > Hear this > interview at this link: > > http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > google Betsy McCaughey and find > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > I'm about ready to march on Washington > .. How about you? > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is devoting > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > for > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > refusal > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > and on > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > illness such as cancer, > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > I copied all > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealthcare.com<http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com/> > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > yesterday.. > > > > Please spread > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > they > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > Heaven help us ! > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > Australia > > ____________________________ > > __________________________________________________________ > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This is nothing more than a horrible rumor. This woman has started horrible rumors about more than one politician. It's been addressed as such in more than one news forum. No worries Hollie http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!! From: Goss <natmedrocks@...> Subject: Has anyone read this? Vaccinations Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:10 PM I received this from the US today Hear this interview at this link: http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h PLEASE READ ALL. THIS IS SCAREY. If you don't believe this, then google Betsy McCaughey and find her article in the Wall Street Journal. I'm about ready to march on Washington .. How about you? Are we ready to allow this? Betsy McCaughey (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is devoting her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report for counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, refusal of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions and on and on. If a person is identified to have a serious illness such as cancer, heart disease and so on, then they will have to report every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. I copied all this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealt hcare.com for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio yesterday.. Please spread the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, they knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in Heaven help us ! - G'mother of 4 - Qld Australia ____________ _________ _______ ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 BTW- it's not 'Obama's healthcare plan'. The authors of the bill are on the first page of the text and he is not one of them. He has nothing to do with this. HE's asking the senate to concoct a healthcare bill, and they're doing it. He has NOTHING to do with it. He merely approves or disapproves in the end, with no input whatsoever into the writing of the bill. Hollie http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 WHAT? Do you mean to tell me that he, himself is not nefariously planning the demise of grannies and papas everywhere? ---- Pixeleen <wannagirl43215@...> wrote: ============= BTW- it's not 'Obama's healthcare plan'. The authors of the bill are on the first page of the text and he is not one of them. He has nothing to do with this. HE's asking the senate to concoct a healthcare bill, and they're doing it. He has NOTHING to do with it. He merely approves or disapproves in the end, with no input whatsoever into the writing of the bill.  Hollie http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 The government's stance on vaccinations should be enough to convince ALL of us that we definitely DON'T want them making health care decisions on ours or our parents behalf. > > > > > > > BTW- it's not 'Obama's healthcare plan'. The authors of the bill are on > > the first page of the text and he is not one of them. He has nothing to do > > with this. HE's asking the senate to concoct a healthcare bill, and they're > > doing it. He has NOTHING to do with it. He merely approves or disapproves > > in the end, with no input whatsoever into the writing of the bill. > > > > Hollie > > > > http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ > > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html > > My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Re: the " boosts your immune system " Rice Krispies, I know *they* are working on rice that contain vaccine, so that you are getting vaccinated when you eat it. I'm wondering if this is the first step at desensitizing the masses to that concept so that we'll eat these " oh-so-good-for-us " cereals, then they'll slip the " vaccine rice " in unnoticed. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280772,00.html On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Trish Chapman<twotheark@...> wrote: > >Isn't is Rice Krispies or some such cereal that now has on their box > that they help your immunity. What kind of truth is that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This is just such a ridiculous comparison! It is things like this that make the " other side " of the vaccine debate think that we are crazy and not take us seriously.. ---- Amy <designconceptsstudio@...> wrote: ============= Sara, Hitler was LOVED by the people. Don't forget that. He even claimed himself to be a Christian in some of his speeches. I've READ his speeches and I've read materials from the Nuremberg Trials. What we have been taught about him is the results of his reign, but we are never taught how he did it. You don't know if he was hateful or not. Some of his words:* “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”* German army belt buckle which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as *“God With Us”.* ** Doesn't sound like a man on a mission to kill people, does it? Just look at the crowds of people who LOVED Hitler! He got elected promising “Change.” The radio and everywhere on the streets “With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!” Here's what this holocaust survivor said about that time: * " Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as “mercy killing” became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, “Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering. And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden.” And so murder was called mercy.* ** *The government took over private business. Industry and health care were “nationalized.” (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)The world and God’s word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic Change?* ** *I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now.* ** We have learned NOTHING from Hitler, because we have not studied how he rose to power & what he said to the people and what he believed and how he implemented it. <http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/holocaust-survivor-warns-of-obam\ a-becoming-the-next-hitler/> Obama has not expressed hate (you are right), but he certainly has a lot of ties to people who speak hate! If you dismiss those, there is nothing I can do about that. But, a person can be defined by the company they keep. Let's keep in mind, I don't like Bush either. I could give you a list from the Bush years that certainly trouble me as well. I'm not playing right vs. left. Sara, Americans need to wake up to the fact that both sides are taking our freedoms - one by one. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sara <sassygirl1218@...> wrote: > OMG! They are not trying to kill anyone! The end of life counseling is > NOT mandatory it is OPTIONAL. The bill says that if a patient wants it, > they will pay for a half hour counseling session with their doctor to make > sure that what they want at the end of their lives is what they get. It is > OPTIONAL for EVERYONE who wants it, not just old people. Obama is not > trying to kill off granny for pete's sake! > > I understand that not everyone is keen on offering people a government > OPTION when it comes to health care, I mean, I know that many think that > health care is a priviledge, I see it as a right. But, if you have issues > with the bill, READ IT YOURSELF and take issue with things that are in the > actual bill and not what some side with an agenda wants you to think you > should take issue with. Or listen to what all sides say about the bill then > READ THOSE SECTIONS YOURSELF! > > As for the Hitler comparisons, for crying outloud! Hitler was a hateful > man who brought his hate to his office. He used psychological means to > convince Germans that the Jews were what was wrong with the country. Obama > has never expressed hate toward any group of people. If anyone has tried to > accomplish getting us to hate any group of people, it would have been Bush & > Co. trying to encite hate and fear in us toward Iraqis and Muslims! > > Hitler has been dead for many years, we have learned a lot from him about > how not to be, but why oh why does his name come up when anyone wants to > make us fear any leader? Aye, aye aye > > > > ---- Amy <designconceptsstudio@...> wrote: > > ============= > Wow! People should ask themselves how any country of people can > eventually > be OK with killing off others as they did in Nazi Germany??? What started > it? The didn't just round up the Jews one day - a lot happened before that > to prepare people for this. And these were people just like us. We are no > different - EXCEPT we have the internet where information is more > available. What are we going to do differently? > > Thanks for posting this!!! Has anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? > http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm > > This lists the 10 Guides (commandments) #1: *Maintain humanity under > 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.* > How does one do that when the world's population is 6.7 billion now? I > heard that Bill Clinton said we need to reduce the population by 1 billion. > > > Vaccines, genetic engineered seeds, government run healthcare, auto & > banking - it's all tied together and none of it is to " help " people. It is > designed clearly to " hurt " and " control " . > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Maracuja <howdurdago@...> wrote: > > > > > > > This was sent to me from a friend who recently had > > treatment in Ca. > > > > You know, there are times when I have seen that snopes is not accurate. > > And this is one. > > > > I > > have read the Bill, various links, and the link provided to the blog > > with interest. One glaring sentence in the blog jumped out and it made > > me cringe. > > > > " ... and one of the most shocking things I found in this bill - and there > > were many - is on page 425 where the Congress would make it mandatory, > > absolutely > > required, that every five years people in Medicare have a required > > counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner. > > How to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into > > hospice care... " > > > > At the end of this quote the blogger goes on to state..... " Um, no. " > > > > I > > am here to state, " Um, yes. " And I will tell you why. My recent visit > > to the State of California, especially the hospital, was very > > enlightening. I have heard that California is the first to implement > > these healthcare changes. I don't know what the policy is in other > > states, so I cannot say this for sure. However, I was in California. > > I was in the hospital there, and what I witnessed was very disturbing. > > > > First > > of all, when I was admitted into the hospital, they thought that there > > was something seriously wrong with me. Much more serious than a > > pulmonary infection and asthma. For one thing, I was put on the floor > > for lung cancer patients. While there, I observed many interactions > > between doctors and patients and as I felt better, I was able to walk > > around and personally visit with the patients there. > > > > One of > > the big changes coming to our country is facilitated deaths which are > > to be done under the guise of hospice care. No, let me rephrase that. > > The truth is that facilitated deaths are already here. I know for a > > fact that it is being implemented in the State of California. > > > > Take > > a look at the portion of the quoted text that is in bold. This is one > > of the ways that they are doing it. By withholding nourishment. In a > > conversation with one of the patients daughter's, hospice care came > > up. Her mother happened to be my roommate. Under professional advice, > > it was recommended that she put her mother in hospice. There are two > > blessings in this particular situation. The first is that the daughter > > elected to care for the mother at home. The second is that she had the > > freedom to be able to remove her from the " hospice " situation. > > > > Her major complaint was that she was instructed > > not to give her mother food or liquids unless she specifically asked > > for them. And you know, I guess not knowing better and trusting that > > these people knew what they were talking about, she complied. After > > day 4 of very little to no nourishment, yes, her mother was dying. She > > took one look at her and saw the drastic change, the graying skin, and > > became overcome with panic. After finding it necessary to remove her > > from hospice, she called an ambulance to have her brought to the > > hospital. The problem was dehydration. Once hydrated, she started > > eating normally and regained normal skin color. > > > > Through the > > hospital curtain, I witnessed a conversation between the daughter and > > her mother's doctor where the daughter described what had transpired > > during hospice and the doctor's reply was to state that older patients > > are put into hospice earlier than needed and that " hospice tends to > > facilitate death. " Then he said....... " Your mom still has a lot of > > life left in her. " Well, there is still honesty in the medical > > profession. Some still do have a heart. > > > > I > > am afraid that the proposals in this Bill are not only about to happen > > but that they are already occurring in some parts of the country. > > > > Either > > the blogger referenced in the prior post is grossly misinformed or she > > is purposely deceiving the public. And this is mainstream medicine's > > and mainstream media's main tactic. To slyly deceive the public. > > > > At this time more than ever we need common sense. > > > > > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks@... <natmedrocks%40.au > >> > > Subject: Has anyone read this? > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40> > > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > > > > I received > > this from the US > > today > > > > > > > > Hear this > > interview at this link: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > > > > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > > google Betsy McCaughey and find > > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > > I'm about ready to march on Washington > > .. How about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is > devoting > > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > > for > > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > > refusal > > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > > and on > > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > > illness such as cancer, > > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > > > > > I copied all > > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealthcare.com<http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com/> > <http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com/> > > > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > > yesterday.. > > > > > > > > Please spread > > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > > they > > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > > Heaven help us ! > > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > > Australia > > > > ____________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > > Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Legalized theft, WTF? Nothing like a bit of elitism to go with your morning meal, is there? And people think that Hitler was evil?? ---- Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: ============= If the government does not get its money through taxes where does it get the money it wants to give so everyone has insurance? What does compassion have to do with legalized theft. Those of you who want to pay for other people who don't take care of themselves should start your own pool and just give your money to those who need it. If government only took care of real problems like congenital birth disease, and not all those ignorant freeloaders who run to the emergency room every time they sneezed it might not be such a big and expensive deal. But than if that was the case insurance would be affordable to most. Sorry I don't buy your excuses. In America every human being has an opportunity to learn and advance themselves. I am sick and tired of the excuses people make for their failures in life. America is behind in education and low on the totem poll because most folks think that the good life is all about watching TV and sitting on their heavy behinds doing nothing. And you know for all the poor folks who have no chance, guess what there is a library in every town and that;s free to all. Americans simply need to grow up and stop whining. This country is in serious trouble because we have let our government take care of every crybaby in the world and we have refused to take responsibility for our selves.  Jim ________________________________ From: Sara <Sassygirl1218@...> Vaccinations Cc: Jim O <jimokelly@...> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 11:21:24 AM Subject: Re: Has anyone read this?  " When you say you see it as a right, I agree if you are adhering to the above thoughts on keeping yourself healthy, but if your saying that I should pay your bills because you don't take care of yourself and your children then we would have a strong disagreement. No government has the right to take money out of my pocket and put it in the pocket of my neighbor. " No one is going to take your money and put it in the pocket of your neighbor. If you can't look at this as a compassion thing, I mean those damn kids who need organ transplants should have been fortunate enough to have been born into money, look at it as a money saving issue. What do you mean by that, Sara? Good question. Let me explain, although, it would be much easier to do with a flow chart, but alas, I will do my best: People who do not have health insurance will wait until an issue is out of control to get help. They can't afford a doctor visit, so they go to the ER. They now need to be admitted and be provided with extensive care. When they are discharged, they can not afford their bill, so they don't pay, or they file for bankruptcy. Either way, the hospital does not get paid. So.....the hospital has to raise prices for care to recoup the loss. Insurance companies are businesses and when the hospital raises prices to recoup their loss, they lose out on profit. This will not please investors, so the insurance company raises it's premiums, co-pays, deductibles, or drop people from their rolls, which they do on a daily basis. So now you and I are the ones paying for this care. I don't know about you, but my co-pays have doubled for ER visits. My co-pays for prescriptions have gone up and our deductible has gone up to $5000 for the family. We still have a hard time paying for our care, even with what is considered good coverage. Even if you don't agree with the disease care, what about injuries? My hospital stay alone after being hit by a car was $110,000, which ONLY covers the room and nursing care. The operating room was extra. The surgery was extra. The doctors were, you guessed it, extra. The physical therapists who came to my room, extra. When I left, my costs were over $200,000! My rehabilitative costs were double that! When I got to the hospital, they pulled the wrong insurance card from my wallet, my husband's company switched coverage one week before and I still had my old card. They found out that the policy was expired and they were ready to minimize the care I was going to receive! My husband then informed them that I did in fact have coverage and they went all out for me. We did not know that we could file an auto claim for the accident, as I was not driving or even in a car, so we didn't do that at first. The hospital said that my insurance company had determined my stay was long enough and they were ready to discharge me. I could barely sit up. I had a halo drilled into my head. I could not walk. I still had staples in my leg from my surgery. I couldn't even go to the bathroom by myself. They were just going to discharge me with nothing. No wheelchair. No physical therapy. NOTHING. Luckily, my husband called and filed the claim with our auto insurance and they sent a nurse case manager to the hospital to take care of setting up my durable equipment, ie, wheelchair, wheelchair ramp, home health care workers, visiting physical therapist, toilet, bath seat, walker etc. The hospital let me stay an extra day after she assured them that the insurance company would pay for it, so that she could get everything set up at my house for me. Now, if a person with insurance has an issue and is able to get to a doctor before the issue is out of hand, the cost to treat can be drastically reduced. Someone somewhere brought up an argument of " eugenics " , that makes me laugh. Who do you people think are the ones more likely to be without coverage? The poor. Who is more likely to live a life of poverty? Minorities, people with mental disabilities who do not qualify for disability, people who work in more blue collar jobs, single mothers with nothing more than a high school education who makes minimum wage in a dead end job trying to raise her children, etc. Yeah, deny these people medical care and let them all die off, sounds very compassionate doesn't it? Did you know that Hispanic and African American women are more likely to die of breast cancer? Why? Because they have to wait until it is an emergency before they can get care at an emergency room. They can't afford the care for their cancer and they...yep.. .you guessed it...they die. ---- Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: ============ = Hi Amy Just a couple of comments. I realize this is a hot topic, so don't take anything I say personal. People who tend to believe in people instead of principals or issues will always have an argument flaring. Kind of like the Democrats and the Republicans. When a person joins a group they tend to feel more sure of themselves and sometimes back their group even if they feel they are wrong. So my thought is Who is doing the interviewing.. . The Medical profession, the government or a doctor who is in government? All I know is that when I sold insurance to seniors it was very easy to persuade them. Many seniors that I talked to indicated they were ready to go. ( Probably tired of life's struggles) In the hands of people(medical) who make money off their advice and treatment. What advice do you think they would get? Actually we really don't have health care, we have disease care. Health care would involve something sensible like encouraging things like taking care of yourself, diet,exercise, fresh air if you can find any, and sunshine and positive thinking. Poisoning ones immune system and cutting out their vital organs just doesn't seem to make sense to me. When you say you see it as a right, I agree if you are adhering to the above thoughts on keeping yourself healthy, but if your saying that I should pay your bills because you don't take care of yourself and your children then we would have a strong disagreement. No government has the right to take money out of my pocket and put it in the pocket of my neighbor. I wouldn't compare anyone in our government with hilter, but I can conceive of people in and out of government that put money above human life. Whether he is like that I couldn't say, but the fact that the vaccine pushers keep causing disease,disability and death tells me there are folks like that. My take on politics is that the two partys are basically the same. They have both been selling out this country for fame and fortune since Roosevelt, maybe even before him. Jim O' Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D. Shots in body's are deadly Healthologist Graduated from the school of Hard Knocks Certified in CS not BS ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Sara <Sassygirl1218@ charter.net> Vaccinations@ groups. .com Cc: Amy <designconceptsstudi o@...> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:40:51 AM Subject: Re: Has anyone read this?  OMG! They are not trying to kill anyone! The end of life counseling is NOT mandatory it is OPTIONAL. The bill says that if a patient wants it, they will pay for a half hour counseling session with their doctor to make sure that what they want at the end of their lives is what they get. It is OPTIONAL for EVERYONE who wants it, not just old people. Obama is not trying to kill off granny for pete's sake! I understand that not everyone is keen on offering people a government OPTION when it comes to health care, I mean, I know that many think that health care is a priviledge, I see it as a right. But, if you have issues with the bill, READ IT YOURSELF and take issue with things that are in the actual bill and not what some side with an agenda wants you to think you should take issue with. Or listen to what all sides say about the bill then READ THOSE SECTIONS YOURSELF! As for the Hitler comparisons, for crying outloud! Hitler was a hateful man who brought his hate to his office. He used psychological means to convince Germans that the Jews were what was wrong with the country. Obama has never expressed hate toward any group of people. If anyone has tried to accomplish getting us to hate any group of people, it would have been Bush & Co. trying to encite hate and fear in us toward Iraqis and Muslims! Hitler has been dead for many years, we have learned a lot from him about how not to be, but why oh why does his name come up when anyone wants to make us fear any leader? Aye, aye aye ---- Amy <designconceptsstud i o@...> wrote: ============ = Wow! People should ask themselves how any country of people can eventually be OK with killing off others as they did in Nazi Germany??? What started it? The didn't just round up the Jews one day - a lot happened before that to prepare people for this. And these were people just like us. We are no different - EXCEPT we have the internet where information is more available. What are we going to do differently? Thanks for posting this!!! Has anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? http://www.radiolib erty.com/ stones.htm This lists the 10 Guides (commandments) #1: *Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.* How does one do that when the world's population is 6.7 billion now? I heard that Bill Clinton said we need to reduce the population by 1 billion. Vaccines, genetic engineered seeds, government run healthcare, auto & banking - it's all tied together and none of it is to " help " people. It is designed clearly to " hurt " and " control " . On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Maracuja <howdurdago@ . com> wrote: > > > This was sent to me from a friend who recently had > treatment in Ca. > > You know, there are times when I have seen that snopes is not accurate. > And this is one. > > I > have read the Bill, various links, and the link provided to the blog > with interest. One glaring sentence in the blog jumped out and it made > me cringe. > > " ... and one of the most shocking things I found in this bill - and there > were many - is on page 425 where the Congress would make it mandatory, > absolutely > required, that every five years people in Medicare have a required > counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner. > How to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into > hospice care... " > > At the end of this quote the blogger goes on to state..... " Um, no. " > > I > am here to state, " Um, yes. " And I will tell you why. My recent visit > to the State of California, especially the hospital, was very > enlightening. I have heard that California is the first to implement > these healthcare changes. I don't know what the policy is in other > states, so I cannot say this for sure. However, I was in California. > I was in the hospital there, and what I witnessed was very disturbing. > > First > of all, when I was admitted into the hospital, they thought that there > was something seriously wrong with me. Much more serious than a > pulmonary infection and asthma. For one thing, I was put on the floor > for lung cancer patients. While there, I observed many interactions > between doctors and patients and as I felt better, I was able to walk > around and personally visit with the patients there. > > One of > the big changes coming to our country is facilitated deaths which are > to be done under the guise of hospice care. No, let me rephrase that. > The truth is that facilitated deaths are already here. I know for a > fact that it is being implemented in the State of California. > > Take > a look at the portion of the quoted text that is in bold. This is one > of the ways that they are doing it. By withholding nourishment. In a > conversation with one of the patients daughter's, hospice care came > up. Her mother happened to be my roommate. Under professional advice, > it was recommended that she put her mother in hospice. There are two > blessings in this particular situation. The first is that the daughter > elected to care for the mother at home. The second is that she had the > freedom to be able to remove her from the " hospice " situation. > > Her major complaint was that she was instructed > not to give her mother food or liquids unless she specifically asked > for them. And you know, I guess not knowing better and trusting that > these people knew what they were talking about, she complied. After > day 4 of very little to no nourishment, yes, her mother was dying. She > took one look at her and saw the drastic change, the graying skin, and > became overcome with panic. After finding it necessary to remove her > from hospice, she called an ambulance to have her brought to the > hospital. The problem was dehydration. Once hydrated, she started > eating normally and regained normal skin color. > > Through the > hospital curtain, I witnessed a conversation between the daughter and > her mother's doctor where the daughter described what had transpired > during hospice and the doctor's reply was to state that older patients > are put into hospice earlier than needed and that " hospice tends to > facilitate death. " Then he said....... " Your mom still has a lot of > life left in her. " Well, there is still honesty in the medical > profession. Some still do have a heart. > > I > am afraid that the proposals in this Bill are not only about to happen > but that they are already occurring in some parts of the country. > > Either > the blogger referenced in the prior post is grossly misinformed or she > is purposely deceiving the public. And this is mainstream medicine's > and mainstream media's main tactic. To slyly deceive the public. > > At this time more than ever we need common sense. > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks. au <natmedrocks% 40. au>> > Subject: Has anyone read this? > Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > I received > this from the US > today > > > > Hear this > interview at this link: > > http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > google Betsy McCaughey and find > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > I'm about ready to march on Washington > .. How about you? > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is devoting > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > for > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > refusal > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > and on > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > illness such as cancer, > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > I copied all > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealt hcare.com<http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > yesterday.. > > > > Please spread > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > they > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > Heaven help us ! > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > Australia > > ____________ _________ _______ > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 amy/jim... i agree with you wholeheartdly.  it is all a first step towards " that " end.  unless you research his-tory (and i dont mean the lies taught in schools)  you would not believe this is happening or even possible today.ignorance is bliss i suppose. Arianna Mojica -  (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health ~~~A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/http://www.vran.org/http\ ://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm http://www.moorbows.com/ > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks. au <natmedrocks% 40. au > >> > > Subject: Has anyone read this? > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com> > > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > > > > I received > > this from the US > > today > > > > > > > > Hear this > > interview at this link: > > > > http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > > > > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > > google Betsy McCaughey and find > > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > > I'm about ready to march on Washington > > .. How about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is > devoting > > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > > for > > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > > refusal > > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > > and on > > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > > illness such as cancer, > > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > > > > > I copied all > > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealt hcare.com<http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > <http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > > > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > > yesterday.. > > > > > > > > Please spread > > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > > they > > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > > Heaven help us ! > > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > > Australia > > > > ____________ _________ _______ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > > Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Excuse me? I am far from ignorant, my dear. Just because I don't buy into the whole " Ohz noz Obama iz gonna kill off the old people " line of thinking, does not mean that I am ignorant. Again, this is why many will not even listen to our side of the vaccine debate, they hear the crazy and tune everything else out. ---- Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@...> wrote: ============= amy/jim... i agree with you wholeheartdly.  it is all a first step towards " that " end.  unless you research his-tory (and i dont mean the lies taught in schools)  you would not believe this is happening or even possible today.ignorance is bliss i suppose. Arianna Mojica -  (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health ~~~A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/http://www.vran.org/http\ ://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm http://www.moorbows.com/ > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks. au <natmedrocks% 40. au > >> > > Subject: Has anyone read this? > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com> > > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > > > > I received > > this from the US > > today > > > > > > > > Hear this > > interview at this link: > > > > http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > > > > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > > google Betsy McCaughey and find > > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > > I'm about ready to march on Washington > > .. How about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is > devoting > > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > > for > > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > > refusal > > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > > and on > > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > > illness such as cancer, > > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > > > > > I copied all > > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealt hcare.com<http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > <http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > > > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > > yesterday.. > > > > > > > > Please spread > > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > > they > > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > > Heaven help us ! > > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > > Australia > > > > ____________ _________ _______ > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > > Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 This has gone on for a bit now but the bottom line is, particularly as anti vaxers, we should band together to prevent further government control in our lives, which is what a government insurance plan will do. What if this government plan starts to monitor who vaxes and who doesn't? Or deny treatment based on vaxes? Who wants a bureaucrat determining if you or your loved one deserves treatment? My daughter was very permanently injured by a vaccine and the compensation program is run without compassion and with disregard to hunan life. What if they decide that since my daughter is so permanently developmentally delayed that she is no longer a priority for care? I say yes to reform and no to any kind of mandated plans. Mandates are wrong--whether we are talking about vaccines or insurance plans. > > > > > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks. au <natmedrocks% 40. au > > > >> > > > > Subject: Has anyone read this? > > > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I received > > > > this from the US > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hear this > > > > interview at this link: > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > > > > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > > > > google Betsy McCaughey and find > > > > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > > > > I'm about ready to march on Washington > > > > .. How about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > > > > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is > > > devoting > > > > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > > > > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > > > > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > > > > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > > > > for > > > > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > > > > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > > > > refusal > > > > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > > > > and on > > > > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > > > > illness such as cancer, > > > > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > > > > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > > > > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > > > > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I copied all > > > > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl. com/mcmq6h > > > > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealt hcare.com<http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > > > <http://www.defendyo urhealthcare. com/> > > > > > > > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > > > > yesterday.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please spread > > > > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > > > > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > > > > they > > > > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > > > > Heaven help us ! > > > > > > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > > > > Australia > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _______ > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > > > > Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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