birth plan

[Guest guest]

I am just a few days from giving birth via C-section and I just had this

conversation with my OB yesterday. She said to bring 5 copies. One for her

(OB), one for the PD, one for the nurses, and one to be kept in the bassinet

that will follow the baby and one for a back up just in case. She also told

me that most of what they do (even her) is routine that the father or

partner should follow the baby around wherever he/she goes. Nurses are so

used to doing things in a conveyor belt style (according to her) that even

though there is a birth plan they may not read it. Not because they don't

want to but due to them trying to get everything done. I have had a few

friends who have experience their nurse give the baby something and then

have to get parent's signature. But both times, the father was not present

to remind them of their wishes.

Also, remind them before they start anything what your wishes are. This

will make them check the plan, hopefully.

Good luck!

le

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Behalf Of stillgrateful365

Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:31 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Concerned about the laws

So, I really don't even need to bother giving my family doctor (likely

the delivering doctor) my birth plan? If that is the case then that

takes a world of worry off of my mind. But I would think that I DO in

fact need to give my doctor a copy of the birth plan. It just seems

that it would be important for any and every person involved to know

my wishes, so there will be no confusion as to what I want to be for

my baby. Thanks so much for your input. I never thought about NOT

giving my doctor my birth plan. We have communicated my desires to not

circumcise, and to try for a natural birth, but haven't touched

vaccinations, except he checked to see the results of the test they

run to see if you have HepB immunity. He asked if I had been

vaccinated against HepB and I said yes because I am. I did not

however, chime in with my feelings about vaccines. Considering I have

always vaccinated my oldest under his care I feel that he will be

taken by surprise and be defensive about it. Like most doctors he has

never warned me at all against vaccinations, but just routinely gave

them and I routinely never questioned. I was told that she was due for

shots and on one occasion even asked if she needed anymore before

starting preschool. My preschool asked for proof of a recent

examination when enrolled her. Do you know if you legally have to

take them to the doc before you put them in school- vaccines or not?

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> I had a very high risk pregnancy and my delivering OB did not even

see my birthplan. it is mostly for the attending staff at hospital

(head nurses and the pediatrician treating your baby). Unless your

OB is going to treat your baby upon birth... my experience is that

they rarely concentrate on those documents. I personally would not

worry about what your dr. is going to think. this is what is best for

your baby period. I did submit my birth plan when i registered at the

hospital a few weeks in advance and I had about five!! extra copies

with me when i went in for delivery. Make sure you openly communicate

with all nurses that come in to check you while at the hospital before

you give birth so that they know you expect them to honor your wishes

and as was suggested before, DON'T LET YOUR BABY OUT OF YOUR SIGHT...

have your husband stay with him/her at ALL times. I think that is more

important than a written birth plan. Don't be

> intimidated by them. My nurses were actually pleased to see what

was in my birthplan. They didn't have much to do :-)

> You are 17 weeks and have a long way to go... have your birth plan

ready but don't stress over this one. Concentrate on the growing life

inside you. Remember... they work for YOU!!! not the other way

around. And kudos to you for thinking about this stuff ahead of time.

> IMO Getting through a hospital birth is good training for the

battles ahead when you take a non-vaxing stance. Stand up for what

you know is best for your baby.

> Peace and blessings.

>

> Ari

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> Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

> ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

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> Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the

doctor. Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided

and still researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB

at birth and just don't go back for well baby visits. I fear

submitting my birth plan will cause my doc to react in a negative way,

and I feel that would make my childbirth experience less than

comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next visit to see

his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I am

17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My

husband thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating

at all. I just don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be

dealing with so much stress over a decision that is completely up to

me and that I should never have to deal with harassment about. I don't

think a home birth is right for me. So that's pretty much out. I'm so

> discouraged.

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[Guest guest]

www.birthplan.com

Has templates to follow. Haven't looked over it closely myself, may

need to alter wording. May be too mainstream? Good place to start

maybe?

[Guest guest]

Home birth would be the way to go.

If not possible, take Dr Mendelsohn's advice and ensure someone stays with the

baby at all times, doula, DH, sister, anyone who can help.

To help avoid all interventions, read Mal(e)practice by same and watch, Orgasmic

Birth DVD available here regarding natural childbirth:

http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/

frequently until the parents " get " it about the use of any of the usual toxic

drugs during labour. Watch any videos they can possibly find on natural

childbirth and do not let them tie the mother to a hospital bed connected to

machinery. Another thing to remember - things slowing down, get the mother off

her back! Increases dilation by 30% just by turning over - crouching or even

standing. Fear is the enemy, so do whatever it takes to overcome it, if there is

any.

Check out mothering.com - really great info on everything to do with parenthood,

not just mothering. Best wishes to the family! They are already on the right

road.

Mara

From: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

Subject: Birth Plan

" Jim O' " <Vaccinations >

Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 8:11 AM

A while back some of you were talking about a birthing plan and how to protect

your baby from being jabbed without your knowing about it. There was also

discussion on vitamin K shots.

I have a man(who is doing his research Dawn-lol ) and is interested in a plan of

Medical mafia protection.

His baby is due in July. If you can outline the plan I will forward it to him.

Just for clarification he does not want shots, vitamin K or that junk they stick

in the eyes.

Thanks in advance

Jim

     

[Guest guest]

Oh -- and fill out the preregistration papers ahead of time and CROSS OUT any

part that says " we will follow hospital policy/protocol " because this legally

protects them if they don't follow your birth plan/wishes. If you sign these

registration papers saying you'll do things their way, then even if they don't

get your consent to give Hep B, for example, they can just go " oops " and you

have no legal recourse.

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09...it's a BOY!

www.rctdiapers.webs.com

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> A while back some of you were talking about a birthing plan and how to protect

your baby from being jabbed without your knowing about it. There was also

discussion on vitamin K shots.

>

> I have a man(who is doing his research Dawn-lol ) and is interested in a plan

of Medical mafia protection.

>

> His baby is due in July. If you can outline the plan I will forward it to him.

>

> Just for clarification he does not want shots, vitamin K or that junk they

stick in the eyes.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Jim

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[Guest guest]

Jim,

I just had a baby 3 1/2 weeks ago and refused everything. I even had Group B

Strep where they make you take antibiotics during labor and I refused those as

well. In my birth plan I separated each item (vitamin K, eye ointment, Hepatitis

B etc) and on each one I put I DO NOT want baby to receive and stated that I am

willing to sign a refusal form for each. I also had the midwife sign the birth

plan and then when I got to the hospital, on the registration papers in big

letters I hand wrote NO vitamin K, NO eye ointment, NO vaccinations, NO

antibiotics and then signed the papers. I had the baby bathed in my room in

front of me, kept the baby with me as much as humanly possible with the

exception of her needing to be taken away for bloodwork (I agreed to this

because of the decline of antibiotics during labor) and when I got her back I

checked her entire body for any marks just in case. LOL. I actually didn't have

too many problems other than the pediatrician giving me hell about the no

antibiotics and no vitamin K telling me she could die-I just stood my ground and

there was nothing she could do. Also, they did make me stay a full 48 hours as

opposed to letting me go home after 24 hours because they wanted to watch her

for a full 48 hours due to the declines. That was a joke though as she roomed in

with me and they barely saw her except when they checked on me. I stayed though

because I figured it wasn't a huge deal. I went in prepared for a fight but was

actually surprised that it wasn't as bad as I had expected. Just make sure to

tell him to hold his ground. Sorry to be so long winded.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Tell them not to do it. I had my second son (third child) in March, and my

husband was adamant that I have the baby in the hospital. So, we went, but it

worked out that I delivered him in the birthing tub (which they don't " allow " at

this particular hospital) with only my husband, mom and friend present - easy to

do when you're the only one that knows you're about to deliver b/c I refused all

checks claiming they're a bad idea for someone who was GBS positive. I was the

first one to touch him, hold him, etc., and I didn't let them cut the cord for

20-25 minutes b/c I'd recently found some info about waiting even longer than

the 2-3 minutes to cut. So, that made it difficult for anyone to do anything to

him I didn't want, and by the time it was cut, he was dying to nurse, so I just

picked him up a little higher and did that for about 45 minutes! Plus, I did

have my friend there to ensure nothing happened with him I didn't want. I also

had a birth plan signed ahead of time by my husband, ob and myself. They

harassed me to no end about not getting a hepa-lock (which my ob had said I

didn't have to get, which is very rare for this hospital, too) and not getting

the abx for being GBS positive (which I will never even bother testing for

again!), but pretty much left me alone about the baby. To date, he's never had

a needle (or scalpel for that matter;) ) touch his little body, which I am quite

excited about. And, of course, everyone " can't believe " how alert and advanced

he is. Although I find him special b/c he's mine, it makes me sad to think that

he's really just where all of their babies would be had that not poisoned them

so much already.

As for the original question, what helped me was having a friend who completely

agreed with my wishes there to stay with the baby at all times (b/c my husband

was to stay with me), having a signed birth plan in my folder/file with the ob,

and being confident and assertive about what I wanted and didn't want done (b/c

they stilled tried a few things, just in case). Also, I had to sign some forms

at about 36 weeks concerning the risks, etc of an epidural, c-section, and

something else, which they said they have everyone do, so if an emergency

happened, they could operate sooner. Most of the two pages was info about the

procedures and risks, but I noticed in the last or second to last paragraph that

they had something to the effect of notifying a close family member, when

possible, to make decisions and one of them was about using whatever ob was

available. So, I crossed that out and wrote that approval from my husband [i

wrote his full name] was required before performing any procedure and that my ob

was required for the one form b/c I honestly only trust him there.

There are so many things they slip in with an epi, so remind them to be aware of

that, just in case she feels the need to give in. Apparently, they always give

abx when an epi is administered and they always add pitocin after the birth

(which I refuse and is SOOOOO not necessary the vast majority of the time) b/c

an IV is required for an epi. My husband is as against them as I am, so that

helped going into my first labor, too, b/c he did whatever I needed him to in

order to avoid one - including yelling at a nurse to get out of my room and

stopping asking if I want one!

Sorry this got so long!

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> How do you avoid the heel stick test? Has anyone done that?

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> Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Can someone explain the no bath idea? Is that to keep the vernix on as long as

possible for the vit k? How long till you should clean them up eventually? I

love learning about this! So many smart moms!

Is there any reason for some babies coming out with tons all over them and

others coming out more clean?

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> My little Willow was born 11 weeks ago, I said no to everything! Even

> the bath. Went home at 24 hours with OB & Ped's release. It takes a

> lot of energy and time but just keep saying No. I had my teenage son

> with me, DH was at home with 2 little ones. Good luck!

>

> Toni Moslemi

>

> Mom to Cyrus 17, Darius 11, Remi Rose 4, Willow 3/21/09

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> Nmidaughterseyes@...

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[Guest guest]

I just said no baths because I didn't want my child out of sight.

Winnie

Re: Birth Plan

Vaccinations

> Can someone explain the no bath idea? Is that to keep the vernix

> on as long as possible for the vit k? How long till you should

> clean them up eventually? I love learning about this! So many

> smart moms!

>

> Is there any reason for some babies coming out with tons all

> over them and others coming out more clean?

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> > My little Willow was born 11 weeks ago, I said no to

> everything! Even

> > the bath. Went home at 24 hours with OB & Ped's release. It

> takes a

> > lot of energy and time but just keep saying No. I had my

> teenage son

> > with me, DH was at home with 2 little ones. Good luck!

> >

> > Toni Moslemi

> >

> > Mom to Cyrus 17, Darius 11, Remi Rose 4, Willow 3/21/09

> >

> > Nmidaughterseyes@...

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

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