Re: chickenpox and shingles

[Guest guest]

The government has created a plague and in doing so has created a

market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know the vaccine

raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they don't care.

Kim wrote:

>

> I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC docs and

> science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

> offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if they had

> had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably has)

> then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is actually

> the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you vaccinate

> and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

> vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at risk for

> shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's adults who

> were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

> rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids got it

> too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward truth

> out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science wrong?

>

>

[Guest guest]

My children had chicken pox when they were 2 and 4 years of age, right

before the vaccine came out. My son had shingles when he was 13. They are

finding that the lack of natural occurring chicken pox in children today

(which created a natural booster for those who had chicken pox previously),

is what is contributing to the rise in shingles in not only adults, but also

in children. It used to be quite rare for young people to get shingles

(because they were exposed more to those getting chicken pox).

So, the chicken pox vaccine, while suppressing natural chicken pox, is

creating a shingles epidemic.

You can't mess with " mother nature " and not create havoc.

Kay

chickenpox and shingles

I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC docs and

science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if they had

had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably has)

then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is actually

the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you vaccinate

and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at risk for

shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's adults who

were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids got it

too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward truth

out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science wrong?

[Guest guest]

Right... they just want a steady flow of customers for generations on end.

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Re: chickenpox and shingles

The government has created a plague and in doing so has created a

market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know the vaccine

raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they don't care.

Kim wrote:

>

> I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC docs and

> science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

> offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if they had

> had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably has)

> then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is actually

> the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you vaccinate

> and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

> vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at risk for

> shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's adults who

> were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

> rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids got it

> too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward truth

> out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science wrong?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to give the vaccine

undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline of CP is due to the same

reasons that other diseases declined (sanitation, nutrition...)?

After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being re-exposed over

our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from the vaccine. Just

some random thoughts...

Winnie

chickenpox and shingles

>

> I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC

> docs and

> science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

> offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if

> they had

> had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably

> has)

> then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is

> actually

> the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you

> vaccinate

> and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

> vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at

> risk for

> shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's

> adults who

> were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

> rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids

> got it

> too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward

> truth

> out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science wrong?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My mother in law has shingles right now, and get this....

The pediatrician - who has everything to gain by defending vaccines-

said that my 3 year old would be fine around her and not catch

chicken pox since he had been vaccinated. My OBGYN - I am currently

pregnant - said, " NO WAY " My son should stay away from her for 3

weeks because the vaccine is NOT 100% effective. (something I

already knew - ha ha)I think I'll take the word of someone who has

nothing to gain from defending vaccines!

>

> I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to

give the vaccine undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline

of CP is due to the same reasons that other diseases declined

(sanitation, nutrition...)?

>

> After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being

re-exposed over our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

>

> And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from the

vaccine. Just some random thoughts...

>

> Winnie

>

> chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC

> > docs and

> > science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

> > offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if

> > they had

> > had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably

> > has)

> > then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is

> > actually

> > the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you

> > vaccinate

> > and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

> > vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at

> > risk for

> > shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's

> > adults who

> > were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

> > rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids

> > got it

> > too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward

> > truth

> > out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science

wrong?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's actually the nonvaxing crowd that is bringing up the " natural booster "

theory, since this only held true before the vaccine came into play. That

" natural booster " is no longer the case.

CP was more prevalent before the vaccine. When my children had it in the

early 90s, it wasn't uncommon to have it hit preschools, elementary schools,

etc. That's when it is SUPPOSED to spread. It's a childhood disease and

has a purpose. I had CP when I was 7 months old (got it from my siblings

who were 2 and 4 at the time). I don't think sanitation, nutrition, etc.

has changed that much in the last 13 years in America (first used in the

U.S. in 1995).

The provaxers are pushing for everyone to get the CP vax, thinking that will

also wipe out shingles eventually. Since in their eyes, no CP = no virus

lying dormant in the body to lead to shingles. However, the CP vax is a LIVE

vaccine. They're just bypassing nature's defense mechanism in dealing with

exposure to an illness. So a person who has had the CP vax, CAN still

develop shingles at some point.

CP is unique in that the varicella zoster virus lies dormant in the dorsal

root ganglia of the spine. Repeated exposure to CP doesn't prevent CP later

in life, just shingles. So, it's a bit different than the other childhood

diseases.

As Sheri N. explains, vaccines cause a chronic case of that particular

illness in the person, rendering their bodies unable (or less likely) to get

an acute case. It disables the immune system and sends it into a chronic

tailspin.

I know there have been many children in our area develop shingles in the

last few years. That was very rare before the CP vax. And shingles has been

around long before the CP vax, so I don't really think it's anything new

that's recently developed. My son had a classic case of shingles.

Fortunately it was cut short with homeopathy, but it was still very painful

for him before we discovered what it was.

When I worked in pediatric nursing, I was often exposed to CP. That served a

purpose. There just aren't many cases of it anymore. We all suffer from the

damaging affects of vaccines, whether or not it's directly or indirectly.

I hope that makes sense. It's late, and my brain is saying " Go to bed!! "

Kay

Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to give the

vaccine undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline of CP is due to

the same reasons that other diseases declined (sanitation, nutrition...)?

After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being re-exposed

over our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from the vaccine.

Just some random thoughts...

Winnie

[Guest guest]

So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the natural booster

goes. Interesting, thanks.

Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just observation

(which I actually tend to trust more than some of these so-called facts from the

CDC)? I don't doubt it because I rarely hear about anyone having it. That's only

my personal experience but I am involved with a lot of different age group kids

and don't see it at all really. My older three had it all at the same time in

1997, two years after the vaccine came out.

However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it last year

(recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several years ago while

visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He (FIL) had horrible

problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know if it's happening

in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

Winnie

Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>

> I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to

> give the

> vaccine undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline of CP

> is due to

> the same reasons that other diseases declined (sanitation,

> nutrition...)?

>

> After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being

> re-exposed

> over our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

>

> And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from

> the vaccine.

> Just some random thoughts...

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shingles is a latent side effect of having chicken pox.

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Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the natural booster

goes. Interesting, thanks.

Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just observation

(which I actually tend to trust more than some of these so-called facts from the

CDC)? I don't doubt it because I rarely hear about anyone having it. That's only

my personal experience but I am involved with a lot of different age group kids

and don't see it at all really. My older three had it all at the same time in

1997, two years after the vaccine came out.

However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it last year

(recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several years ago while

visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He (FIL) had horrible

problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know if it's happening

in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

Winnie

Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>

> I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to

> give the

> vaccine undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline of CP

> is due to

> the same reasons that other diseases declined (sanitation,

> nutrition...)?

>

> After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being

> re-exposed

> over our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

>

> And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from

> the vaccine.

> Just some random thoughts...

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I DO think CP was more prevalent before the vaccine. Having worked in

pediatric nursing before the vaccine, and being around small children

through my own children, it was not an uncommon thing like it is now. I

currently work in an elementary school of about 700 students. There was one

child this year that had CP. The rest of his class did not get it.

I'm sure the new shingles vax will be pushed heavily on the already

compromised bodies of older adults. It IS a nasty thing to have. But there

are alternative treatments for it, homeopathy or acupuncture work quite

well.

I honestly don't know about the CP vax status of the kids I've heard of

having shingles. I would assume they had the vax (especially since no one

says, " SEE, they should have gotten the CP vax! " ) and I don't know anyone

around here that doesn't vaccinate. My son was not vaxed for CP.

Yes, shingles can happen in the vaxed or unvaxed (for CP).

Kay

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the natural

booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I rarely hear about

anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am involved with

a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all really. My older

three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the vaccine came

out.

However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it last year

(recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several years ago while

visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He (FIL) had

horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know if it's

happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

Winnie

[Guest guest]

Or the cp vaccine.

Kay

-----Original Message-----

On Behalf Of ann.alicia@...

Shingles is a latent side effect of having chicken pox.

[Guest guest]

Kay,

I didn't know that Shingles was a latent side effect of having the Chicken Pox

vax. I thought it was only from wild Chicken Pox or having the virus. Maybe

someone can point us in the right direction to clarify. This is why mostly older

people are getting shingles, because they've had the CP as a kid because the vax

was not yet developed. I thought Shingles was a side effect of CP, whether

vaxed or unvaxed, its based on having the emergence of the virus. Does anyone

know for sure??

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RE: chickenpox and shingles

Or the cp vaccine.

Kay

-----Original Message-----

On Behalf Of ann.alicia (DOT) <mailto:ann.alicia%40> com

Shingles is a latent side effect of having chicken pox.

[Guest guest]

When a person has chicken pox the virus lies dormant in the dorsal root

ganglia of the spine. The cp vax is a LIVE virus, so it's essentially

injecting the virus directly into the body, bypassing the normal immune

system route of the mucous membranes. Either way, the virus is in the body.

If a person's immune system is stressed the virus can reactivate in the form

of shingles.

The medical industry claims the likelihood of shingles after the vaccine is

less (but it can still occur), but that's just a guess at this point. The

vaccine hasn't been out long enough to determine what the effects will be on

children OR the elderly in the years to come.

Does that help?

Kay

Re: chickenpox and shingles

Kay,

I didn't know that Shingles was a latent side effect of having the Chicken

Pox vax. I thought it was only from wild Chicken Pox or having the virus.

Maybe someone can point us in the right direction to clarify. This is why

mostly older people are getting shingles, because they've had the CP as a

kid because the vax was not yet developed. I thought Shingles was a side

effect of CP, whether vaxed or unvaxed, its based on having the emergence of

the virus. Does anyone know for sure??

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[Guest guest]

I saw it in the paper yesterday: CDC recommends shingles vaccine for those over

60 (?), even if they have already had shingles. No article went with it, just a

blurb on the front page.

So, your son was exposed to someone who had the vaccine, then got shingles as a

result?

Winnie

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>

> So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the natural

> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

>

> Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

> observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

> so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I rarely

> hear about

> anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

> involved with

> a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> really. My older

> three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

> vaccine came

> out.

>

> However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> last year

> (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> years ago while

> visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> (FIL) had

> horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

>

> Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know if it's

> happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And here it is again:

http://www.wfsb.com/health/16291894/detail.html?treets=hart & tid=2657703712813 & tm\

l=hart_irr & tmi=hart_irr_1_01300505172008 & ts=H

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the

> natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> >

> > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

> > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

> > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> rarely

> > hear about

> > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

> > involved with

> > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > really. My older

> > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

> > vaccine came

> > out.

> >

> > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > last year

> > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > years ago while

> > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > (FIL) had

> > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> >

> > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know

> if it's

> > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess we'll never know what triggered it. It was a few weeks after school

had gotten out for the summer. He had been sick, so I know his immune

system was stressed. Vaccines have natural immunity and natural illnesses

so screwed up. Who knows what causes what anymore?

Kay

Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

So, your son was exposed to someone who had the vaccine, then got shingles

as a result?

Winnie

[Guest guest]

It's tough having to always be the detective.

Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>

> So, your son was exposed to someone who had the vaccine, then

> got shingles

> as a result?

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I guess we'll never know what triggered it. It was a few weeks

after school

> had gotten out for the summer. He had been sick, so I know his

immune

Shingles usually occur when the immune system has been weakened.

Hence shingles occurring in the elderly. But now with it occurring at

younger ages, and all these younger aged people have been vaccinated

more than any of the elderly.

Jackie Noel

www.sagaciousairedales.com

www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

That makes sense, since vaccines themselves weaken the immune system.

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, jnoelsagacious <

jnoelsagacious@...> wrote:

>

> Shingles usually occur when the immune system has been weakened.

> Hence shingles occurring in the elderly. But now with it occurring at

> younger ages, and all these younger aged people have been vaccinated

> more than any of the elderly.

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

That's true, too. Children's immune systems aren't what they used to be

since they've been subjected to an ever increasing number of vaccines,

antibiotics, OTC drugs, etc.

Kay

Re: chickenpox and shingles

>

> I guess we'll never know what triggered it. It was a few weeks

after school

> had gotten out for the summer. He had been sick, so I know his

immune

Shingles usually occur when the immune system has been weakened.

Hence shingles occurring in the elderly. But now with it occurring at

younger ages, and all these younger aged people have been vaccinated

more than any of the elderly.

Jackie Noel

[Guest guest]

I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles in older

people.  I don't remember hearing about it as much when I was younger.  My

girlfriends mother-in-law has it, two co-workers of my husbands, and my other

friends great uncle.  WHAT IS GOING ON, I AM WONDERING IF THEY ALL RECEIVED THE

VACCINE FOR IT AND CAME DOWN WITH IT?

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the

> natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> >

> > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

> > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

> > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> rarely

> > hear about

> > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

> > involved with

> > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > really. My older

> > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

> > vaccine came

> > out.

> >

> > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > last year

> > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > years ago while

> > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > (FIL) had

> > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> >

> > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know

> if it's

> > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These people sound like older people who had the chicken pox as a child, before

the vaccine is developed (eg mother in law, great uncle). My mother in law had

shingles. It was very painful and went away in about 2-3 weeks. She was in the

house (basically 24/7) because the only way for her to be comfortable was either

to be naked or in the bath. Now I know what to expect for myself as I age, and

it is something I guess I'm consciously choosing for my two children when they

get older. I know it doesn't happen in 100% of cases, but it is a reality.

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Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles in older

people.  I don't remember hearing about it as much when I was younger.  My

girlfriends mother-in-law has it, two co-workers of my husbands, and my other

friends great uncle.  WHAT IS GOING ON, I AM WONDERING IF THEY ALL RECEIVED THE

VACCINE FOR IT AND CAME DOWN WITH IT?

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the

> natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> >

> > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

> > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

> > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> rarely

> > hear about

> > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

> > involved with

> > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > really. My older

> > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

> > vaccine came

> > out.

> >

> > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > last year

> > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > years ago while

> > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > (FIL) had

> > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> >

> > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know

> if it's

> > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles

in older people. 

Since chickenpox does not go around as much anymore, people are not

able to get a natural immune boost by being exposed to someone with

chickenpox, and therefore they are more susceptible to shingles.

My kids got chickenpox last year and my husband and I then got a

natural boost.

Tara

[Guest guest]

>

> The government has created a plague and in doing so has created a

> market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know the vaccine

> raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they don't care.

>

But those who are getting shingles are usually baby boomers. My mom had

it almost a year ago and she had a pain on her right side for quiet a

while but took no meds for it. All these older people never had

varicella vaccine, they all had natural, wild chicken pox as kids. I

know both my grandfathers had shingles back in Ukraine over 20 years

ago when chicken pox among children was common. I am not sure we really

know why some get shingles and others don't. I heard it's a sign of a

weakened immune system or/and undetected cancer(scarry. I also heard

that some people can keep getting shingels a few times not just once.

BTW, my unvaxed son was around my mom a lot while she had shingles, i

thought if he gets chicken pox then at least it'll be over with but he

never got it from her, how come?

Katarina

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My partner and I both got shingles at the same time. My children got chicken

pox, and then we both got shingles. We were both suffering a lot of stress at

the time. My mum also got shingles due to stress. Stress, is a huge cause of

illness and weakening of the immune system.

I can't explain the chain of events, as it is chicken pox that can be caught

from shingles, not the other way around. But the kids definately came down with

the chicken pox, before we came down with shingles. I treated all of us with

sodium ascorbate. The only other thing that is possible is that we both caught

chicken pox a second time.

I never got a doctors opinion on this. Just came to my own conclusions, as I

knew my kids had been exposed. I knew the vitamin c would fix it, if I had a

formal diagnosis or not.

Vaccines and antibiotics have really changed the way we catch things anyway. I

am so glad they didn't spread a bird flu vaccine around the world. What better

way to encourage the illness to become contagious between humans.

Fieldman

Re: chickenpox and shingles

>

> The government has created a plague and in doing so has created a

> market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know the vaccine

> raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they don't care.

>

But those who are getting shingles are usually baby boomers. My mom had

it almost a year ago and she had a pain on her right side for quiet a

while but took no meds for it. All these older people never had

varicella vaccine, they all had natural, wild chicken pox as kids. I

know both my grandfathers had shingles back in Ukraine over 20 years

ago when chicken pox among children was common. I am not sure we really

know why some get shingles and others don't. I heard it's a sign of a

weakened immune system or/and undetected cancer(scarry. I also heard

that some people can keep getting shingels a few times not just once.

BTW, my unvaxed son was around my mom a lot while she had shingles, i

thought if he gets chicken pox then at least it'll be over with but he

never got it from her, how come?

Katarina

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Wow, where do you live, I thought chicken pox is unheard of now? I never heard

of anyone actually

getting the chicken pox these days.  Then again, I really don't know anyone

except myself who has

chosen to stop vaxing their children.

Re: chickenpox and shingles

>

> I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles

in older people. 

Since chickenpox does not go around as much anymore, people are not

able to get a natural immune boost by being exposed to someone with

chickenpox, and therefore they are more susceptible to shingles.

My kids got chickenpox last year and my husband and I then got a

natural boost.

Tara