Re: chickenpox and shingles

[Guest guest]

I doubt it. The chicken pox vaccine is relatively new, so it’s not likely

that anyone older than 10 years of age would have received the vaccine; that

is unless they were adults and specifically asked for it.

I had the chicken pox when I was a child, a mild to severe case, but nothing

my wise mother couldn’t handle on her own. In fact all three of us children

came down with it at the same time.

But lo and behold, while in my second trimester or pregnancy with my second

child, I came down with Shingles. I was 32 years old at the time, and

healthy, near as I knew. All I can figure is that it was stress induced.

Looking back on my life situation, there was nothing extraordinarily

obvious, as far as stress is concerned, but we all know how things can

fester within us if we don’t handle them properly…other than that, there

would have been no reason for me to come down with such a condition.

~Chris

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of jen leahy

Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:23 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles in older

people. I don't remember hearing about it as much when I was younger. My

girlfriends mother-in-law has it, two co-workers of my husbands, and my

other friends great uncle. WHAT IS GOING ON, I AM WONDERING IF THEY ALL

RECEIVED THE VACCINE FOR IT AND CAME DOWN WITH IT?

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the

> natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> >

> > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

> > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

> > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> rarely

> > hear about

> > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

> > involved with

> > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > really. My older

> > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

> > vaccine came

> > out.

> >

> > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > last year

> > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > years ago while

> > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > (FIL) had

> > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> >

> > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know

> if it's

> > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nope, not in my dad's or father-in-law's case. One of them was exposed to

chicken pox, but no known cause for the other one.

Winnie

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> > >

> > > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as

> the

> > natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> > >

> > > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine,

> or just

> > > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some

> of these

> > > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> > rarely

> > > hear about

> > > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I

> am

> > > involved with

> > > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > > really. My older

> > > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after

> the

> > > vaccine came

> > > out.

> > >

> > > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > > last year

> > > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > > years ago while

> > > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > > (FIL) had

> > > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> > >

> > > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you

> know

> > if it's

> > > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard of any baby boomers getting it--and I'm one (not that it means

they aren't--just no one I know). The people I know who got it were 80-90 years

old.

Winnie

Re: chickenpox and shingles

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > The government has created a plague and in doing so has

> created a

> > market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know the

> vaccine

> > raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they don't care.

> >

> But those who are getting shingles are usually baby boomers. My

> mom had

> it almost a year ago and she had a pain on her right side for

> quiet a

> while but took no meds for it. All these older people never had

> varicella vaccine, they all had natural, wild chicken pox as

> kids. I

> know both my grandfathers had shingles back in Ukraine over 20

> years

> ago when chicken pox among children was common. I am not sure we

> really

> know why some get shingles and others don't. I heard it's a sign

> of a

> weakened immune system or/and undetected cancer(scarry. I also

> heard

> that some people can keep getting shingels a few times not just

> once.

> BTW, my unvaxed son was around my mom a lot while she had

> shingles, i

> thought if he gets chicken pox then at least it'll be over with

> but he

> never got it from her, how come?

>

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

My father-in-law visited my nephew out of state and a day or so after coming

home, FIL got shingles and my nephew broke out in CP. I think CP exposure can

take about two weeks to show so my nephew likely had it first. Again, backwards.

Winnie

Re: chickenpox and shingles

>

>

>

> >

> > The government has created a plague and in doing so has

> created a

> > market. They know chickenpox is not a big deal, they know

> the vaccine

> > raises your risk of shingles, but the sad truth is they

> don't care.

> >

> But those who are getting shingles are usually baby boomers.

> My mom had

> it almost a year ago and she had a pain on her right side for

> quiet a

> while but took no meds for it. All these older people never

> had

> varicella vaccine, they all had natural, wild chicken pox as

> kids. I

> know both my grandfathers had shingles back in Ukraine over 20

> years

> ago when chicken pox among children was common. I am not sure

> we really

> know why some get shingles and others don't. I heard it's a

> sign of a

> weakened immune system or/and undetected cancer(scarry. I also

> heard

> that some people can keep getting shingels a few times not

> just once.

> BTW, my unvaxed son was around my mom a lot while she had

> shingles, i

> thought if he gets chicken pox then at least it'll be over

> with but he

> never got it from her, how come?

>

> Katarina

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's about right (actually the CP vax came out in 1995).

That must have been unnerving getting the shingles when pregnant. Pregnancy is a

stress in itself so that makes sense it could have been the trigger, but what an

awful thing to have to deal with then.

Winnie

Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

> > >

> > > So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as

> the

> > natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

> > >

> > > Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine,

> or just

> > > observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some

> of these

> > > so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

> > rarely

> > > hear about

> > > anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I

> am

> > > involved with

> > > a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

> > > really. My older

> > > three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after

> the

> > > vaccine came

> > > out.

> > >

> > > However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

> > > last year

> > > (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

> > > years ago while

> > > visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

> > > (FIL) had

> > > horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

> > >

> > > Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you

> know

> > if it's

> > > happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually here in NY, they are trying to make older kids (including those

with a history of the pox) take it. Also some states are pushing the pox

vaccine on 7th, 9th, and 12th graders. I think a few states are

" requiring " it for all grades now, it seems they will do anything to

pump poison into people / make money.

Valpiani wrote:

> I doubt it. The chicken pox vaccine is relatively new, so it’s not likely

> that anyone older than 10 years of age would have received the vaccine; that

> is unless they were adults and specifically asked for it.

>

>

>

> I had the chicken pox when I was a child, a mild to severe case, but nothing

> my wise mother couldn’t handle on her own. In fact all three of us children

> came down with it at the same time.

>

>

>

> But lo and behold, while in my second trimester or pregnancy with my second

> child, I came down with Shingles. I was 32 years old at the time, and

> healthy, near as I knew. All I can figure is that it was stress induced.

> Looking back on my life situation, there was nothing extraordinarily

> obvious, as far as stress is concerned, but we all know how things can

> fester within us if we don’t handle them properly…other than that, there

> would have been no reason for me to come down with such a condition.

>

>

>

> ~Chris

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> Behalf Of jen leahy

> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:23 PM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: Re: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>

>

>

> I am wondering why I am hearing about sooooo many cases of shingles in older

> people. I don't remember hearing about it as much when I was younger. My

> girlfriends mother-in-law has it, two co-workers of my husbands, and my

> other friends great uncle. WHAT IS GOING ON, I AM WONDERING IF THEY ALL

> RECEIVED THE VACCINE FOR IT AND CAME DOWN WITH IT?

>

> Re: RE: RE: chickenpox and shingles

>>>

>>> So chicken pox IS different than other diseases as far as the

>>>

>> natural> booster goes. Interesting, thanks.

>>

>>> Is it a fact that CP was more prevalent before the vaccine, or just

>>> observation (which I actually tend to trust more than some of these

>>> so-called facts from the CDC)? I don't doubt it because I

>>>

>> rarely

>>

>>> hear about

>>> anyone having it. That's only my personal experience but I am

>>> involved with

>>> a lot of different age group kids and don't see it at all

>>> really. My older

>>> three had it all at the same time in 1997, two years after the

>>> vaccine came

>>> out.

>>>

>>> However, I am hearing a lot about shingles. My father got it

>>> last year

>>> (recovered fairly quickly), my father-in-law got it several

>>> years ago while

>>> visiting my 17 yr-old nephew who got CP at the same time. He

>>> (FIL) had

>>> horrible problems with eye pain up until his recent death.

>>>

>>> Why is it that the children are getting shingles? Do you know

>>>

>> if it's

>>

>>> happening in both vaxed and unvaxed kids?

>>>

>>> Winnie

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Okay, thought I would share my experience. I had the cp when I was

about 4 yrs. old. Then in 1998 when I was aiding in an elementary

school, I got the shingles. I was about 24 yrs. Chicken pox was going

around the school. I don't remember having any stress. But I know I had

a mild case of cp, at least that's what my mom always told me.

[Guest guest]

It makes me wonder if CP and shingles have mutated or something. They say you

can't catch shingles from CP, yet it seems a number of people on this list have

experiences to the contrary, including me. Bet the allopaths aren't taking any

notice. Most likely they still push the myth of not catching shingles from CP.

What's to say that this hasn't changed all because of the release of the CP

vaccine. My experience happened after this time anyway.

Fieldman

Re: chickenpox and shingles

Okay, thought I would share my experience. I had the cp when I was

about 4 yrs. old. Then in 1998 when I was aiding in an elementary

school, I got the shingles. I was about 24 yrs. Chicken pox was going

around the school. I don't remember having any stress. But I know I had

a mild case of cp, at least that's what my mom always told me.

[Guest guest]

How much do you want to bet that in a few years once they realize how many

children are now getting shingles... they'll just lower the age of the

shingles vax and add it to the " required " list of shots for children. MUCH

more $$ to be made from it that way!

And I'll bet you're right about the mutated forms of shingles and CP, .

All this manipulation of nature is creating many more problems than they

THINK they're preventing.

Kay

Re: chickenpox and shingles

It makes me wonder if CP and shingles have mutated or something. They say

you can't catch shingles from CP, yet it seems a number of people on this

list have experiences to the contrary, including me. Bet the allopaths

aren't taking any notice. Most likely they still push the myth of not

catching shingles from CP. What's to say that this hasn't changed all

because of the release of the CP vaccine. My experience happened after this

time anyway.

Fieldman

[Guest guest]

So I've been reading the posts on CP and shingles and my two cents,

it's the same virus. When children get cp as kids the virus lays latent

in the nerves, and when the immune system becomes lowered when you are

older (is the usual case), the virus is no longer suppressed and you

get shingles which runs along the nerves, making it very painful. My

thought is that with kids getting shingles, their immune systems are so

suppressed because it's so assaulted with the chemicals they're exposed

to these days, that the virus is no longer being surpressed by the

immune system. And I " m sure it's the exact same wild virus as it's

been " processed " , like most things these days in the US. ~doris

[Guest guest]

http://www.wellwithin1.com/chickenpox.htm

I suggest that the vaccine doesn't prevent chickenpox but injects a

chronic chickenpox that the body can't throw off. Therefore the

child can't get an acute case of chickenpox as already sick

chronically. And the numbers of acute chickenpox goes down.

So therefore there isn't a reservoir of chickenpox around which may

be needed to keep up immunity and prevent shingles.

Read some of what Goldman has written.

Who knows for sure

Sheri

listowner

At 03:10 AM 5/17/2008, you wrote:

>I often wonder if this " natural booster theory " is hyped up to give

>the vaccine undeserved credit. Couldn't it be that the decline of CP

>is due to the same reasons that other diseases declined (sanitation,

>nutrition...)?

>

>After all, wouldn't we be protected from other diseases by being

>re-exposed over our lifetime? Why is this limited to CP?

>

>And maybe the shingles is really some mutated form of CP from the

>vaccine. Just some random thoughts...

>

>Winnie

>

> chickenpox and shingles

> >

> > I just watched Sherri Tenpenny's DVD on " Vaccines-What the CDC

> > docs and

> > science tell us " ...and today I heard on the news that they were

> > offering a shingles vaccine to seniors. And they said that if

> > they had

> > had chickenpox as a child (everyone in that age group probably

> > has)

> > then they were MORE at risk for shingles. I know that it is

> > actually

> > the opposite. Thats what Dr. Tenpenny said in the DVD. If you

> > vaccinate

> > and get the chickenpox antibodies but never chickenpox, like our

> > vaccinated youth today, then as an adult they will be more at

> > risk for

> > shingles from not having full blown chickenpox. Not today's

> > adults who

> > were not vaccinated and got chickenpox the old fashioned way and

> > rebuilt their immunity when their kids got it and then grandkids

> > got it

> > too...I think I am going crazy. How can there be such a backward

> > truth

> > out there...??reported to scare people...Did I get the science wrong?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's hard to get shingles unless you have had chickenpox. Shingles comes from reactivation of the varicella virus, which apparently lies dormant in the spinal nerves after the clinical signs of CP have disappeared. It then becomes reactivated when the immune system is low, or in periods of great physical or emotional stress.

Sue

-- chickenpox and shingles

Sheri,

I have a question. I always thought if you got chickenpox as a child it protected you from shingles as an adult. Is this true? My mother in law says her mother had chickenpox as a child and suffered through a bad case of shingles a few years ago.

Jen Carver

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[Guest guest]

At 05:14 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>I have a question. I always thought if you got

>chickenpox as a child it protected you from

>shingles as an adult. Is this true? My mother

>in law says her mother had chickenpox as a child

>and suffered through a bad case of shingles a few years ago.

>

>Jen Carver

'their' explanation of shingles is that it was

what remains after chickenpox - the virus lurking in the nerves

And then reactivated at some point

We used to see people who were elderly and or

immune compromised with shingles - a sign the immune system wasn't working well

Now we see it in so many

Goldman, explains it that we need to be

exposed to children with chickenpox to keep it at

bay and with less children with chickenpox

acutely after the vaccine, less exposure and more likelihood of shingles.

http://www.prleap.com/pr/13991/

" After a child has had varicella (chickenpox),

the virus becomes dormant and can reactivate

later in adulthood in a closely related disease

called shingles­both caused by the same

varicella-zoster virus (VZV). It has long been

known that adults receive natural boosting from

contact with children infected with chicken pox

that helps prevent the reactivation of shingles. "

Of course I'm not totally sure about all this

virus-causing-disease thing and have to walk between 2 worlds here

But I would suggest the shingles is also a sign

of your MIL being immune suppressed on some level - under stress, etc.

But it supposedly is only seen in those who had

chickenpox as a child but we are now seeing it in

vaccinated who haven't had chickenpox disease

Who knows the reality - but it does seem to be

seen only in those who had chickenpox or the

vaccine (but how do we know who for sure had chickenpox)

Sheri

listowner

See my chickenpox pages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/chickenpox.htm

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

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