Yes, they make up numbers on the spot

[Guest guest]

Speaking of making up numbers, read on:

I just had a very interesting debate with some doc on the radio today. It was on

an alternative music station which surprisingly brought on this traditional doc

to give advice. Anyway, during a discussion about the flu, the doc spouted the

figure of 30K-40K deaths per year. I called in to correct him that these

figures, which are usually given by the CDC as 36K, are for the pneumonia and

flu deaths combined. Furthermore, the vaccine is notoriously ineffective and

contains mercury and aluminum. How do you feel about that, do you think that is

a health problem giving mercury and aluminum in vaccines, Dr?

His response was that, yes, the figures include pneumonia cases because flu

leads to pneumonia, blah, blah.,.. I said, so you think ALL of the pneumonia

cases included were due to the flu? Oh, no he says, no way to know that for

sure, there are many other causes. Well, Dr. that’s why I question the figures

which are used to get people vaccinated.

As for the mercury, he knew of no problems and admitted not knowing about

aluminum even being in vaccines, let alone causing problems, and the flu vaccine

is “highly effective.”

I then referred to something he said about balancing risks/benefits, and told

him that the comparison was not so simple because when you get the vaccine, you

are taking on the immediate risk of vaccine side effects. But when you don’t get

it, you are not automatically taking on the risk of disease. You have to be

exposed first (he agreed), and likely have to have at least a slightly

compromised immune system to come down with something (he didn’t agree—can’t

remember his brilliant response).

Then somehow measles came up. He (who said he was not a pediatrician, by the

way) went on and on about how wonderful the MMR is, that you need to compare the

3 in a million who die from the vaccine against those who die from the disease.

I asked, oh, is that 3 in a million a fact, a real statistic? He paused and said

yes (liar!).

I said gee, I never got the measles and there was no vaccine then. My kids never

did either so what would be protecting us? You guessed it—he went into the herd

immunity spiel but not before saying that the mercury in the MMR shouldn’t be a

problem. I corrected him that there is no mercury in it because it’s a live

virus vaccine, and he stuttered and claim there is thimerosal in it and I said,

no, there’s no thimerosal it’s a live virus vaccine, but go ahead about the herd

immunity (having now discredited himself). He then referred to the “unusual

parents” like me who choose not to vax, which I let go since it was apparent to

anyone listening that he had just given out incorrect info.

Then I said, gee, what about the chicken pox vaccine and the huge number of

failures there with all these outbreaks? It makes parents really wonder whether

they should have their kids take on the serious risks with so many doubts about

the efficacy of the vaccine. He went into some strange talk about how they won’t

know until later down the road if this will keep the CP away later in life. I

said, not worried here because I had it, as did most of my kids so we’re immune

for life.

Well, not to scare you he says, that virus will live in you and them forever. I

said, not scared here--perfectly fine with it. Then he went on about shingles

and how he recommends the new shingles vaccine. I said, oh, yes, shingles. I’m

noticing so many cases of it, even in teenagers. I wonder if it’s due to the

timing of when the CP vax came out? He didn’t know. Not sure how the rest went.

I’ll try to get a tape of it from the station. The next caller continued the

conversation, asking about allergic reactions and perhaps it’s due to other

components in the vaccines besides the virus.

[Guest guest]

Nice one, Winnie!!!

Sue x

-- Yes, they make up numbers on the spot

Speaking of making up numbers, read on:

I just had a very interesting debate with some doc on the radio today. It

was on an alternative music station which surprisingly brought on this

traditional doc to give advice. Anyway, during a discussion about the flu,

the doc spouted the figure of 30K-40K deaths per year. I called in to

correct him that these figures, which are usually given by the CDC as 36K,

are for the pneumonia and flu deaths combined. Furthermore, the vaccine is

notoriously ineffective and contains mercury and aluminum. How do you feel

about that, do you think that is a health problem giving mercury and

aluminum in vaccines, Dr?

His response was that, yes, the figures include pneumonia cases because flu

leads to pneumonia, blah, blah.,.. I said, so you think ALL of the pneumonia

cases included were due to the flu? Oh, no he says, no way to know that for

sure, there are many other causes. Well, Dr. that’s why I question the

figures which are used to get people vaccinated.

As for the mercury, he knew of no problems and admitted not knowing about

aluminum even being in vaccines, let alone causing problems, and the flu

vaccine is “highly effective.”

I then referred to something he said about balancing risks/benefits, and

told him that the comparison was not so simple because when you get the

vaccine, you are taking on the immediate risk of vaccine side effects. But

when you don’t get it, you are not automatically taking on the risk of

disease. You have to be exposed first (he agreed), and likely have to have

at least a slightly compromised immune system to come down with something

(he didn’t agree—can’t remember his brilliant response).

Then somehow measles came up. He (who said he was not a pediatrician, by the

way) went on and on about how wonderful the MMR is, that you need to compare

the 3 in a million who die from the vaccine against those who die from the

disease. I asked, oh, is that 3 in a million a fact, a real statistic? He

paused and said yes (liar!).

I said gee, I never got the measles and there was no vaccine then. My kids

never did either so what would be protecting us? You guessed it—he went into

the herd immunity spiel but not before saying that the mercury in the MMR

shouldn’t be a problem. I corrected him that there is no mercury in it

because it’s a live virus vaccine, and he stuttered and claim there is

thimerosal in it and I said, no, there’s no thimerosal it’s a live virus

vaccine, but go ahead about the herd immunity (having now discredited

himself). He then referred to the “unusual parents” like me who choose not

to vax, which I let go since it was apparent to anyone listening that he had

just given out incorrect info.

Then I said, gee, what about the chicken pox vaccine and the huge number of

failures there with all these outbreaks? It makes parents really wonder

whether they should have their kids take on the serious risks with so many

doubts about the efficacy of the vaccine. He went into some strange talk

about how they won’t know until later down the road if this will keep the CP

away later in life. I said, not worried here because I had it, as did most

of my kids so we’re immune for life.

Well, not to scare you he says, that virus will live in you and them forever

I said, not scared here--perfectly fine with it. Then he went on about

shingles and how he recommends the new shingles vaccine. I said, oh, yes,

shingles. I’m noticing so many cases of it, even in teenagers. I wonder if

it’s due to the timing of when the CP vax came out? He didn’t know. Not sure

how the rest went. I’ll try to get a tape of it from the station. The next

caller continued the conversation, asking about allergic reactions and

perhaps it’s due to other components in the vaccines besides the virus.