Re: some questions: still not sure I want to STOP vaccines all together....

June 23, 2008

btw, i also forgot to mention that my husband is also from

Morocco...and we plan on traveling there when the baby is young.

around 6 mo. old or so.

and he would definitly need some vaxes for that right????

>

> hello everyone,

>

> sorry this is kinda long...

>

> you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

questions

> forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

>

> but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through this

> thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this far in

> such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> vaccinating before!)

>

> ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the disease--

i

> never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something used

to

> help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in contact

w/

> these diseases.

>

> is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> an " immunity "

> but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for, it

> would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

>

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions, cause

my

> child never got vaccinated.

>

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

>

> then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i have

> to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

order

> to keep my child healthy??

>

> i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we are

> very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> is this really enough???

>

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it??? how

do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

just

> give him the vax for it??

>

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

vaxed

> kid??

>

> maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER??...i'm

> still not so sure...

>

> my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily on

> time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

only

> a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even a

> cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then who?

me??

>

> please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> really sleepy.

>

> i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

>

> thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching though! :0)

> ~

>

June 24, 2008

Hi I don't know where to start.

You need a lot of education.

My grandchildren have never been vaxed. They are hardly sick and recover fast

when they are sick.

They also have many years of not missing any school. Vaxed kids are always sick.

Germs are everywhere

and have been since the begining of time. You need to stop watching all those

commercials where they want to sell you stuff to kill all those harmless and

some beneficial germs. Vaccines are poisons and can't cure any diseases.

Vaccines dont help to build antibodies. Antibodies are the bodys natural

protection against any foreign substance that get inside. Vaccines are definitly

a foreign poison. So even if a antibody tried to get the poison out the

poison(vaccine) would probably kill the living antibody. Vaccines have no power

to prevent disease. Vaccines can only cause disease, disability and death. If

the immigrants have all those bad germs and diseases why haven't they wiped out

there own countrymen? If today they giving more shots then we older folks did

how did we ever survive? You ask about taking fewer shots. How would you know

which ones to take? Which ones do you think would protect? Which ones might

cause harm? To me a poison is a poison. If

taking the extra effort isnt worth learning how to protect your child I dont

know what to tell you. Im sorry but yes you are being irrational. The only thing

you have to fear is fear itself. I dont know if you will get any real answers to

your dilemma here, but you will get lots of encouragement and advice. I am

assuming you have not read any of the no-vax books. Im sure they will be

recommened on this list. I can only say that your child has no voice and is

depending on you. I sincerely hope you take the time and trouble to learn our

side as you have learned there side. Good luck

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D.

Shots in babies are dangerous

Re: some questions: still not sure i want to STOP

vaccines all together....

btw, i also forgot to mention that my husband is also from

Morocco...and we plan on traveling there when the baby is young.

around 6 mo. old or so.

and he would definitly need some vaxes for that right????

>

> hello everyone,

>

> sorry this is kinda long...

>

> you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

questions

> forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

>

> but now i have questions... .please bear w/ me going through this

> thinking process....i' m actually surprised i've made it this far in

> such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> vaccinating before!)

>

> ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the disease--

i

> never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE- - they are something used

to

> help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in contact

w/

> these diseases.

>

> is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> an " immunity "

> but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for, it

> would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

>

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/ beaches?? ? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated.. ..

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions, cause

my

> child never got vaccinated.

>

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

>

> then after all this over-whelming information. ...i feel like i have

> to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

order

> to keep my child healthy??

>

> i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we are

> very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> is this really enough???

>

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it??? how

do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

just

> give him the vax for it??

>

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

vaxed

> kid??

>

> maybe i'm being irrational.. .but these are just fears i have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating. ..i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER? ?...i'm

> still not so sure...

>

> my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations. ..not necessarily on

> time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

only

> a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even a

> cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then who?

me??

>

> please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> really sleepy.

>

> i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

>

> thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching though! :0)

> ~

>

June 24, 2008

Hi, ,

Others will probably chime in more, but I can probably comment on at least a

couple of

things.

> but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for, it

> would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

From what I've read, if you actually contract the disease you were vaccinated

for, you end

up w/a variation. For instance - what's called atypical measles or atypical

mumps. Both of

these are worse than wild measles or mumps because the body reacts differently

and in a

more dangerous manner.

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions, cause my

> child never got vaccinated.

Personally, I don't really take any extra precautions. I try to make sure my

oldest eats well

(my youngest still nurses), but I'd do that anyway. We go to the pool, parks,

etc - no

problems for any of us.

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

What you probably haven't considered is that first of all vaccines wouldn't last

forever

anyway. When was the last time you had a booster or vaccine? When you were a

kid is my

guess. At least that's the case for me and a lot of other adults. How often

have you or

someone you know contracted measles, mumps, rubella, polio, meningitis, yadda,

yadda,

yadda? If these diseases are so deadly and we can't not get the diseases if we

aren't

vaccinated, how come nearly every adult you know hasn't come down with some or

all of

these diseases? If vaccines were so truly needed, most adults you know would

also be

lining up for their shots. Doesn't happen, unless they are required to for

work.

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it??? how do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they just

> give him the vax for it??

If your kid got measles for instance, the dr would NOT give them the vax. The

vax can not

cure disease anyway. I suggest you buy a book on how to handle these diseases

yourself.

Sherry also does an online class on care for the diseases too. This should help

put your

mind at ease and give you more confidence in your ability to take care of your

babies.

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a vaxed

> kid??

I don't have first hand experience on this yet. My kids are not vaxed but are

also not very

old. (both under 2) But, my unvaxed kids haven't gotten any of these diseases

either.

And let's see, they've had a cold and my oldest picked up a stomach virus which

he

proceeded to give everyone else in the family. (Some here will say he didn't

give us

anything but in my opinion - he gave all of us a stomach virus.) It wasn't any

different

than stomach viruses I had as a kid and I was vaxed.

> maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER??...i'm

> still not so sure...

>

That's why you must research! The more you read, the more your fears subside.

I still

have a bit of fear of meningitis, for instance. But, as I said, I wasn't vaxed

for it and I

never got it. Nor did the people I grew up with. It's not a new disease, to my

knowledge.

> my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily on

> time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been only

> a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even a

> cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then who? me??

Again, I don't think the fact that your kid is healthy can be attributed to

vaccines. And

colds have nothing to do w/vaccines. I've read several people's stories on the

internet talk

about how much healthier their unvaxed kid is compared to vaxed kids.

>btw, i also forgot to mention that my husband is also from

>Morocco...and we plan on traveling there when the baby is young.

>around 6 mo. old or so.

>and he would definitly need some vaxes for that right????

I would disagree. But, if you feel that the child does need to be vaxed, I'd

say you and

your husband should get vaxed too, because neither of you have up-to-date vaxes.

If

you don't, your child shouldn't either.

Also, if vaccines are so inherently great, why do they have to be mandated in

order for

everyone to get them? I mean, if they are so necessary for life, wouldn't

everyone just do

it anyway. So, why make it a law? Could it be because they know that most

people would

not get them all?

June 24, 2008

Hi, . You are asking all the right questions. First, you should be sure

vaccines work before getting them. But they don't.

The studies done do not expose equal numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated

people to disease to see if the vaccines work (and of course that would be

unethical if they did). They test vaccines against other vaccines, or they test

whether antibodies are produced. But that does not mean the vaccines " work. "

So, you need to worry about being around others who may carry disease whether

you vaccinate or not. Use common sense to avoid people who are hacking and

coughing. It's what's in the air that is of more concern than what is at a park

or in a pool.

Also, this idea that vaxed people get a lesser form of the disease is nonsense.

The way your body gets rid of disease is through the symptoms we see (rash,

vomiting, fever, cough, etc.). A strong immune system will have more pronounced

symptoms. This does not mean a " worse " case. It means your body is fighting

better and you will recover better, rather than have a disease linger.

If your child gets sick, they are best off kept resting at home away from other

sick people. If you learn about natural medicines to nurse them through

illnesses, you will not only be able to do this at home but you avoid the side

effects of drugs from the doctors. And the docs certainly would NOT give you the

vaccine as a treatment for a disease if your child got it and you brought them

in, except maybe tetanus.

Yes, if your child has been relatively healthy, I would give you credit for it.

That and luck for his good health in spite of the vaccines. Not all children are

that lucky.

Kids these days do have many more vaccines and the huge numbers of health and

behavior problems are the result. That does not mean that a schedule of fewer

vaccines is better. Remember this: every vaccine comes with the risk of death;

none come with a guarantee to work. Keep that in mind when considering

vaccinating.

Winnie

some questions: still not sure i want to STOP vaccines

all together....

Vaccinations

> hello everyone,

>

> sorry this is kinda long...

>

> you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> questions

> forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

>

> but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through this

> thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this far

> in

> such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> vaccinating before!)

>

> ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

> disease--i

> never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something

> used to

> help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

> contact w/

> these diseases.

>

> is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> an " immunity "

> but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for,

> it

> would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

>

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

> over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated

> for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

> expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

> cause my

> child never got vaccinated.

>

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's

> or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

>

> then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i

> have

> to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

> order

> to keep my child healthy??

>

> i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we are

> very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> is this really enough???

>

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it???

> how do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

> just

> give him the vax for it??

>

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

> vaxed

> kid??

>

> maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i

> have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--

> EVER??...i'm

> still not so sure...

>

> my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily

> on

> time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

> only

> a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even

> a

> cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

> who? me??

>

> please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> really sleepy.

>

> i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

>

> thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching though! :0)

> ~

>

June 24, 2008

Good point about the immigrants, Jim (well, lots of good points). Why is there

this concept that those who live elsewhere are somehow contaminated with all

sorts of mysterious and deadly diseases? Are they equally scared of us?

Winnie

Re: some questions: still not sure i

> want to STOP vaccines all together....

>

> btw, i also forgot to mention that my husband is also from

> Morocco...and we plan on traveling there when the baby is young.

> around 6 mo. old or so.

> and he would definitly need some vaxes for that right????

>

> >

> > hello everyone,

> >

> > sorry this is kinda long...

> >

> > you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> questions

> > forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

> >

> > but now i have questions... .please bear w/ me going through

> this

> > thinking process....i' m actually surprised i've made it this

> far in

> > such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was

> about

> > vaccinating before!)

> >

> > ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

> disease--

> i

> > never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE- - they are something

> used

> to

> > help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

> contact

> w/

> > these diseases.

> >

> > is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all

> or

> > an " immunity "

> > but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated

> for, it

> > would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

> >

> > also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from

> all

> over

> > the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> supposed

> > to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated

> for

> > the things that they're bringing into America???

> >

> > also, we're a very active family...what about public

> > pools/lakes/ beaches?? ? what about parks?? i would be afraid

> to

> expose

> > my child to all those germs or even be around other children

> or

> > people in general w/o being vaccinated.. ..

> > (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

> >

> > i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

> cause

> my

> > child never got vaccinated.

> >

> > and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per

> visit,

> > compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> > so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the

> 80's or

> > something?? would this not make a difference??

> >

> > then after all this over-whelming information. ...i feel like

> i have

> > to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic

> stuff...in

> order

> > to keep my child healthy??

> >

> > i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> > sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically

> we are

> > very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> > is this really enough???

> >

> > and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> > vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it???

> how

> do

> > i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't

> they

> just

> > give him the vax for it??

> >

> > don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then

> a

> vaxed

> > kid??

> >

> > maybe i'm being irrational.. .but these are just fears i

> have...even

> > considering NOT vaccinating. ..i'm just not quite there

> yet...i

> > definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER?

> ?...i'm

> > still not so sure...

> >

> > my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations. ..not

> necessarily on

> > time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's

> been

> only

> > a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not

> even a

> > cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

> who?

> me??

> >

> > please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and

> i'm

> > really sleepy.

> >

> > i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> > vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> > live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

> >

> > thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching

> though! :0)

> > ~

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Hi !

I personally do not recommend delaying or spacing out vaccines. All

it takes is one vaccine to do the damage and everyone is different.

That is wonderful that your 7 yr. old is quite healthy...I would

attribute that to good genes, but then again everyone is different -

to include siblings. One rubella vaccine damaged my perfect hearing

last year (34 yrs. old). My 14 yr old's right eye sustained nerve

damage from one dose of Hep B (I have pictures of before and after at

6 mo. old for proof and all of these years blamed it on his dad's

side??). Hearing and vision damage are some of the most common

adverse reactions too.

I know, it is scary when you begin to think about not vaccinating at

all. I somewhat made up my mind about 6 mo. ago after I witnessed my

infant suffer from immediate severe reactions to just a few

vaccines. I then poured myself into research and I am adamant that

none of us will receive any more. Be sure to purchase the Vaccine

Safety Manual by Neil Z. . It will put your mind at ease about

not vaccinating. What you will find is that there are so many

strains for each disease and you are only vaccinating for a few of

them. For example, the HPV vaccine has over 100 strains, but the

vaccine only offers protection against 4. If you were exposed to one

of those 4 strains and then receive the vaccine, it will greatly

increase your risk of cervical cancer.

My husband is a retired Marine who whole-heartedly supported vaccines

in the beginning. He went from saying OUR SON WILL GET HIS VACCINES

to now saying if anyone tries to vaccinate him I will kill them.

>

> hello everyone,

>

> sorry this is kinda long...

>

> you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

questions

> forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

>

> but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through this

> thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this far in

> such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> vaccinating before!)

>

> ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the disease--

i

> never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something used

to

> help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in contact

w/

> these diseases.

>

> is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> an " immunity "

> but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for, it

> would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

>

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions, cause

my

> child never got vaccinated.

>

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

>

> then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i have

> to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

order

> to keep my child healthy??

>

> i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we are

> very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> is this really enough???

>

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it??? how

do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

just

> give him the vax for it??

>

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

vaxed

> kid??

>

> maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER??...i'm

> still not so sure...

>

> my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily on

> time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

only

> a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even a

> cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then who?

me??

>

> please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> really sleepy.

>

> i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

>

> thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching though! :0)

> ~

>

June 24, 2008

I worry about this too. My 1st son is autistic because of too many

vaccines too soon. Our next son is due in 4 weeks. I worry so much

about whooping cough and HIB. That's about it. The other stuff, we

can survive, but I know whooping cough can be deadly in an infant

and so can menengitis. But I also know that the DTP is one of the

more dangerous shots to get. So I just can't make up my mind. It's

scary either way.

> >

> > hello everyone,

> >

> > sorry this is kinda long...

> >

> > you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> questions

> > forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

> >

> > but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through this

> > thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this far

in

> > such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> > vaccinating before!)

> >

> > ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

disease--

> i

> > never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something

used

> to

> > help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

contact

> w/

> > these diseases.

> >

> > is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> > an " immunity "

> > but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for,

it

> > would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

> >

> > also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

> over

> > the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> supposed

> > to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated

for

> > the things that they're bringing into America???

> >

> > also, we're a very active family...what about public

> > pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

> expose

> > my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> > people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> > (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

> >

> > i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

cause

> my

> > child never got vaccinated.

> >

> > and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> > compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> > so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's

or

> > something?? would this not make a difference??

> >

> > then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i

have

> > to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

> order

> > to keep my child healthy??

> >

> > i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> > sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we

are

> > very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i

read)

> > is this really enough???

> >

> > and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> > vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it???

how

> do

> > i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

> just

> > give him the vax for it??

> >

> > don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

> vaxed

> > kid??

> >

> > maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i

have...even

> > considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> > definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--

EVER??...i'm

> > still not so sure...

> >

> > my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily

on

> > time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

> only

> > a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even

a

> > cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

who?

> me??

> >

> > please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> > really sleepy.

> >

> > i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> > vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> > live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

> >

> > thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching

though! :0)

> > ~

> >

>

June 24, 2008

But why do you think vaccinating will prevent whooping cough or meningitis? Even

if the vaccines were safe, which they're not, why do you think they work?

Winnie

Re: some questions: still not sure i want to STOP

vaccines all together....

Vaccinations

> I worry about this too. My 1st son is autistic because of too

> many

> vaccines too soon. Our next son is due in 4 weeks. I worry so

> much

> about whooping cough and HIB. That's about it. The other stuff,

> we

> can survive, but I know whooping cough can be deadly in an

> infant

> and so can menengitis. But I also know that the DTP is one of

> the

> more dangerous shots to get. So I just can't make up my mind.

> It's

> scary either way.

>

> > >

> > > hello everyone,

> > >

> > > sorry this is kinda long...

> > >

> > > you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> > questions

> > > forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

> > >

> > > but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through

> this

> > > thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this

> far

> in

> > > such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was

> about

> > > vaccinating before!)

> > >

> > > ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

> disease--

> > i

> > > never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something

> used

> > to

> > > help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

> contact

> > w/

> > > these diseases.

> > >

> > > is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all

> or

> > > an " immunity "

> > > but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated

> for,

> it

> > > would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

> > >

> > > also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from

> all

> > over

> > > the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> > supposed

> > > to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't

> vaccinated

> for

> > > the things that they're bringing into America???

> > >

> > > also, we're a very active family...what about public

> > > pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid

> to

> > expose

> > > my child to all those germs or even be around other children

> or

> > > people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> > > (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

> > >

> > > i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

> cause

> > my

> > > child never got vaccinated.

> > >

> > > and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per

> visit,

> > > compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> > > so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the

> 80's

> or

> > > something?? would this not make a difference??

> > >

> > > then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like

> i

> have

> > > to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic

> stuff...in

> > order

> > > to keep my child healthy??

> > >

> > > i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> > > sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically

> we

> are

> > > very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article

> i

> read)

> > > is this really enough???

> > >

> > > and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> > > vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of

> it???

> how

> > do

> > > i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't

> they

> > just

> > > give him the vax for it??

> > >

> > > don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse

> then a

> > vaxed

> > > kid??

> > >

> > > maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i

> have...even

> > > considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there

> yet...i

> > > definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--

> EVER??...i'm

> > > still not so sure...

> > >

> > > my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not

> necessarily

> on

> > > time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's

> been

> > only

> > > a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not

> even

> a

> > > cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

> who?

> > me??

> > >

> > > please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and

> i'm

> > > really sleepy.

> > >

> > > i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> > > vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> > > live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

> > >

> > > thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching

> though! :0)

> > > ~

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Hi Winnie

Do you think that in the other country's they claim

that their bugs come from Chicago, New York or Ind.

I can hear it now. Why sir you have been infected with the

Chicago bug. Who was it who said " What luck for dictators men don't

think " ?

Must have been Hilter.

Have a vaccine and drug free day.

Jim

Re: some questions: still not sure i

> want to STOP vaccines all together....

>

> btw, i also forgot to mention that my husband is also from

> Morocco...and we plan on traveling there when the baby is young.

> around 6 mo. old or so.

> and he would definitly need some vaxes for that right????

>

> >

> > hello everyone,

> >

> > sorry this is kinda long...

> >

> > you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> questions

> > forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

> >

> > but now i have questions... .please bear w/ me going through

> this

> > thinking process....i' m actually surprised i've made it this

> far in

> > such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was

> about

> > vaccinating before!)

> >

> > ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

> disease--

> i

> > never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE- - they are something

> used

> to

> > help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

> contact

> w/

> > these diseases..

> >

> > is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all

> or

> > an " immunity "

> > but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated

> for, it

> > would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

> >

> > also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from

> all

> over

> > the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> supposed

> > to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated

> for

> > the things that they're bringing into America???

> >

> > also, we're a very active family...what about public

> > pools/lakes/ beaches?? ? what about parks?? i would be afraid

> to

> expose

> > my child to all those germs or even be around other children

> or

> > people in general w/o being vaccinated... ..

> > (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

> >

> > i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

> cause

> my

> > child never got vaccinated.

> >

> > and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per

> visit,

> > compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> > so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the

> 80's or

> > something?? would this not make a difference??

> >

> > then after all this over-whelming information. ...i feel like

> i have

> > to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic

> stuff...in

> order

> > to keep my child healthy??

> >

> > i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> > sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically

> we are

> > very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i read)

> > is this really enough???

> >

> > and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> > vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it???

> how

> do

> > i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't

> they

> just

> > give him the vax for it??

> >

> > don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then

> a

> vaxed

> > kid??

> >

> > maybe i'm being irrational.. .but these are just fears i

> have....even

> > considering NOT vaccinating. ..i'm just not quite there

> yet...i

> > definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER?

> ?...i'm

> > still not so sure...

> >

> > my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations. ..not

> necessarily on

> > time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's

> been

> only

> > a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not

> even a

> > cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

> who?

> me??

> >

> > please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and

> i'm

> > really sleepy.

> >

> > i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> > vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> > live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

> >

> > thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching

> though! :0)

> > ~

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Whooping cough vaccine isn't available for the babies young enough to die

from it..so the vaccine wouldn't do any good for that age group anyway..

that is assuming they do work, which they don't.

What are the risks? These diseases aren't out as some big hairy monster

waiting on every street corner. if you are low risk, why bother? It's like

w/ dogs and the dumb heartworm meds.. it's " recommended " to give every month

and it's " recommended " to give all year.. EVEN THOUGH upon further

investigation, you find out it really should be given only every 45 days but

they go ahead and say every 30 since " it's easier to remember " and if you

investigate mozzies and HW, you find out if it dips below 57 degrees at all,

even ONE night in a month, it kills the cycles of the L3 or 4 (or whatever)

stages and thus that month HW won't be a problem.. But no vet ever once told

me that.. give once a month and every month

Don't let FEAR sell you the vaccine. Let REAL Science, real medicine and

proven safety sell you the vaccine.. When you do that, you will find you

aren't buying.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

_._,___

June 24, 2008

So the DPT that they give at 2, 4, and 6 months does no good????

>

> Whooping cough vaccine isn't available for the babies young enough

to die

> from it..so the vaccine wouldn't do any good for that age group

anyway..

> that is assuming they do work, which they don't.

>

> What are the risks? These diseases aren't out as some big hairy

monster

> waiting on every street corner. if you are low risk, why bother?

It's like

> w/ dogs and the dumb heartworm meds.. it's " recommended " to give

every month

> and it's " recommended " to give all year.. EVEN THOUGH upon further

> investigation, you find out it really should be given only every

45 days but

> they go ahead and say every 30 since " it's easier to remember " and

if you

> investigate mozzies and HW, you find out if it dips below 57

degrees at all,

> even ONE night in a month, it kills the cycles of the L3 or 4 (or

whatever)

> stages and thus that month HW won't be a problem.. But no vet ever

once told

> me that.. give once a month and every month

>

> Don't let FEAR sell you the vaccine. Let REAL Science, real

medicine and

> proven safety sell you the vaccine.. When you do that, you will

find you

> aren't buying.

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11,

9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live

long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

> _._,___

>

June 24, 2008

> also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

over

> the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

supposed

> to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated for

> the things that they're bringing into America???

### Being an immigrant myself, I can say that as long as you're from

a country with a " decent " health care system, all immigrants would

have been vaxed anyway. Is that a good thing? Not sure - I'm thinking

it's better to deal with the disease itself, than one caused by

vaccinations.

>

> also, we're a very active family...what about public

> pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

expose

> my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

### Truth is you can't put them in a bubble - children have to be

exposed to germs so their immune system can start working.

>

> i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions, cause

my

> child never got vaccinated.

### Taking extra precautions like feeding healthy food, exercising,

not using toxins, etc. should really be the norm if you want to be

healthy. Not being vaxed will only make you that much healthier. Just

do what you can.

>

> and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's or

> something?? would this not make a difference??

### Not really - no vaccine is safe and no delayed schedule is truly

safe either.

>

> then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i have

> to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

order

> to keep my child healthy??

### It won't hurt to learn some, but just take common sense

precautions: feed healthy food - no processed junk, no artificial

ingredients; avoid chemicals if necessary; wash hands; etc. Don't

feel like you have to know everything.

>

> and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it??? how

do

> i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

just

> give him the vax for it??

> don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

vaxed

> kid??

>

> maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i have...even

> considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--EVER??...i'm

> still not so sure...

### , relax. Breathe. I think you're letting your fear paralyze

you. Everyone will get sick - you have no way of knowing if your

child will get sick " better " or " worse " than a vaxed kid. Do the best

you can. Learn what you can. There are many websites and books with

alternative treatments and holistic methods. I'm sure your parents

and grandparents know some - my mom knows many old wife tales and

methods that she has used successfully on my brother and myself as we

were growing up. I have learned that many with like-

minded people are a wealth of information and practical help.

Hope this helps,

Magda

June 24, 2008

" Don't let FEAR sell you the vaccine. Let REAL Science, real medicine

and proven safety sell you the vaccine.. When you do that, you will find

you aren't buying. "

What a great statement - so well put!

June 24, 2008

Hello,

My husband is from Egypt and we are going there for a month in

August. My son received his first round of vaccines at 2 months

before we became educated on the dangers and have chosen not to

vaccinate any further. Our son is currently 6 months.

I really don't believe you'd need any vaxes for the trip. If you are

nervous- research the health situation in the country. I felt the

same as you- I was nervous about the plane and what he could catch

on there as well as the fact that polio still remains and Hep A is

rampant in Egypt, ect. It is a 3rd world country after all. But

reading about exactly what Hep A is, how to prevent it, and what

happens if you get it made me feels loads better. At first I

thought, oh, he really needs the Hep A vaccine. And then I read

about the disease and the vaccine and realized that he really

doesn't. Education really eases fears. In addition, my husband has

lived in Egypt all his life and I lived there for a few years and we

never got Hep A.

About your initial email to the group- I think the answers were

great and most people know wayyyy more than me. I wanted to add

something and I don't mean to overstep any boundaries. If I am,

please just ignore this. But I am guessing from your screenname that

you are Muslim? I am a Muslim and one thing I realized about

vaccines from thinking about filing a religious exemption is they

are really against Islam because we are not suppose to allow

anything harmful into our body. All the ingredients in the vaccines

are extremely harmful. When I thought of this, I knew we were doing

the right thing.

:)Amber

Mom to

http://onthegreennow.blogspot.com/

> >

> > hello everyone,

> >

> > sorry this is kinda long...

> >

> > you're infomation to my previous questions helped some (the

> questions

> > forwarded for me, before i joined :0) )

> >

> > but now i have questions....please bear w/ me going through this

> > thinking process....i'm actually surprised i've made it this far

in

> > such a short time. lol (just ask andrea how adamant i was about

> > vaccinating before!)

> >

> > ok, in my mind--i KNOW vaccines aren't a cure all for the

disease--

> i

> > never thought of them as a PREVENTATIVE-- they are something

used

> to

> > help our bodies BUILD anti-bodies in case we ever come in

contact

> w/

> > these diseases.

> >

> > is this not correct??? i never viewed vaccines as a cure all or

> > an " immunity "

> > but if we were to contract a disease we've been vaccinated for,

it

> > would be a lesser form of it. (i.e chicken pox)

> >

> > also, in this country (USA) there are immigrants coming from all

> over

> > the world, bringing god only knows what w/ them...how are we

> supposed

> > to protect ourselves from these people if we aren't vaccinated

for

> > the things that they're bringing into America???

> >

> > also, we're a very active family...what about public

> > pools/lakes/beaches??? what about parks?? i would be afraid to

> expose

> > my child to all those germs or even be around other children or

> > people in general w/o being vaccinated....

> > (gross, just thinking about what might be in a pool or at a park)

> >

> > i don't want to feel that i have to take EXTRA precautions,

cause

> my

> > child never got vaccinated.

> >

> > and i read a lot that kids are getting umpteen shots per visit,

> > compared to what we (older generations) got when we were kids...

> > so then what about following the vaccine schedule from the 80's

or

> > something?? would this not make a difference??

> >

> > then after all this over-whelming information....i feel like i

have

> > to put forth all this extra effort to learn holistic stuff...in

> order

> > to keep my child healthy??

> >

> > i can't afford organic food. i like to give my kids 'treats'

> > sometimes (may contain sugar), we get out a lot, hygenically we

are

> > very clean...(i don't remember what else was in the article i

read)

> > is this really enough???

> >

> > and if for example, my kid DOES get sick (having never been

> > vaccinated) and gets something BIG how do i take care of it???

how

> do

> > i make sure he doesn't die? if i take him to the dr. won't they

> just

> > give him the vax for it??

> >

> > don't non-vaxed kids, when they get sick, get sick worse then a

> vaxed

> > kid??

> >

> > maybe i'm being irrational...but these are just fears i

have...even

> > considering NOT vaccinating...i'm just not quite there yet...i

> > definitly will be delaying...but to not have anything--

EVER??...i'm

> > still not so sure...

> >

> > my 7 yr. old has received all his vaccinations...not necessarily

on

> > time, but w/in about 6 mo. of when they were " needed " . He's been

> only

> > a few times. and not at all this year (knock on wood), not even

a

> > cold! so i shouldn't give credit to vaccines for this?? then

who?

> me??

> >

> > please forgive me if this comes off wrong..but it's 11pm and i'm

> > really sleepy.

> >

> > i would just love some clarification. for some reason, w/o

> > vaccinations, i feel like i would have to change the way we

> > live...for some reason, not sure what that is yet.

> >

> > thanks for letting me sound off...i'm still researching

though! :0)

> > ~

> >

>

June 24, 2008

You are so right Amber!

I realise that there is bigotry re Islam, but I should imagine Hindus,

Buddhists, Christians and Jews would not want to contaminate their living

temples with pork, cow, monkey, human etc proteins, let alone the chemicals and

antibiotics.

A Christian first enlightened me. Even people in her church attacked her stance.

My husband used Christianity to convince DS FIL that DS decision not to

vaccinate his baby was in line with what Jesus would do. It will not matter what

religion you are, you are challenging MEDICAL beliefs! Dr Mendelsohn

said that modern scientific medicine was like a religion with it's own symbols

[cadduceus and snakes] and language [Latin] and badges of office [stethescope

slung round neck] to keep the plebs in the dark and in awe!

2 Moslem families I know, no longer vaccinate. When I go to their stores we

always chat. One felt comfortable enough to ask about my vaccine-injured son, as

he had seen people like my son in his native Fiji. A Jewish [ex NY and Israel]

neighbour has shifted to Australia and is spreading the word in Sydney! A Sikh

work colleague doesn't vaccinate any more. He has returned to India as he was

unimpressed with the low standard of behaviour in NZ state-run schools and his

wife had absolutely no inclination to home-school..

I look at the list of vaccine ingredients and think that it would have been an

acceptable list to the witches in Hamlet! We condemn the ingredients that

African shamans use, yet look at Western medicine's list! This is healthful?

Maracuja

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