Re: foregoing well baby checks

[Guest guest]

I've never even thought about DSS/CPS. Maybe it depends on your state's

'intrusion' into your life.

Suzanne

In a message dated 6/27/2008 1:13:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

spanishmiss430@... writes:

I am really starting to see the value in foregoing well baby checks -

obviously they are just to give shots, so why waste our copays?

However, I am wondering - does anyone ever worry about the worst case

scenario of having an issue with DSS/CPS and them pulling the records

and using it against you that you never took your kid to a doctor?

That's the only thing really bothering me about the idea of not doing

it...

Melinda C. in Mass.

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In a message dated 6/27/2008 3:13:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

spanishmiss430@... writes:

does anyone ever worry about the worst case

scenario of having an issue with DSS/CPS and them pulling the records

and using it against you that you never took your kid to a doctor?

yes I do worry about this. I can only hope my neighbors and friends can

testify to her health care at home. But this worry still isn't enough for me to

take her in to see a doctor. She saw a ped in the hospital at birth, but

hasn't seen one since. She's 27 months.

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I don't worry about that. Going to the DR WHEN IT'S NOT REALLY

NECESSARY---isaac hit caps lock---is a waste of money and time.

If you really are worried, see a dr on an annual basis like for pets-though

the yearly pet visit isn't necessary either imo

Or you go for care elsewhere.

Just b/c our regular dr hasn't seen since he was 13 mos, that d/n mean

his homeopath wouldn't have records I can't talk about

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We go to the 2 week visit and that's it.

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I last took my son in for a check up at 6 months (he is now 14

months )to a naturopathic doctor, who weighed him, measured him,

asked me a bunch of questions and answered a bunch of my questions.

We told her up front we do not vaccinate and she was fine since she

herself does not vaccinate her own child. Anyways, there was a 20.$

copay and then insurance did not cover the whole visit so it ended up

costing us over 100.$. My son is active, happy, and healthy and

growing just fine, so why waste that money to needlessly take him

back to the doctor every few months, better I put it in a college

fund for him.

>

> I've never even thought about DSS/CPS. Maybe it depends on your

state's

> 'intrusion' into your life.

>

> Suzanne

>

>

> In a message dated 6/27/2008 1:13:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> spanishmiss430@... writes:

>

> I am really starting to see the value in foregoing well baby

checks -

> obviously they are just to give shots, so why waste our copays?

> However, I am wondering - does anyone ever worry about the worst

case

> scenario of having an issue with DSS/CPS and them pulling the

records

> and using it against you that you never took your kid to a doctor?

> That's the only thing really bothering me about the idea of not

doing

> it...

> Melinda C. in Mass.

>

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I don't worry about the DSS/CPS thing because I take my children to a

chiropractor for a check and possible adjustment at least twice a

month, and it's all documented. In my opinion, I'm more mindful of my

children's health by doing this... they are seen MORE often by a

professional than if they were getting their care from an allopath,

and you can bet my chiro knows my child's health a lot better than any

allopath would. He knows if there's something wrong right away,

because he has a personal relationship with my kids and sees them so

often. He's trained not only to spot/prevent possible physical health

problems, but he also sees the emotional issues that arrise in my kids

AND in me, and can offer solutions or at the very least, a supportive

ear and a hug. Care of that nature like this goes a LONG way in

preventing health problems before they ever come to the surface!

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:13 PM, spanishmiss430

<spanishmiss430@...> wrote:

> I am really starting to see the value in foregoing well baby checks -

> obviously they are just to give shots, so why waste our copays?

> However, I am wondering - does anyone ever worry about the worst case

> scenario of having an issue with DSS/CPS and them pulling the records

> and using it against you that you never took your kid to a doctor?

> That's the only thing really bothering me about the idea of not doing

> it...

> Melinda C. in Mass.

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I dont think its legal to refuse to see an unvaxed child but who wants to

push and make them see you- yuck- would rather go where I am wanted. My

doctor just started refusing to see non vaxers but said if you are already

there

(even if you have more babies) you can still use him. Whatever- we rarely

go...but nice in case of emergency (like when my son dislocated his elbow for

the first time - now I can fix that myself too!).

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I have a 2 year old son and he has never seen an MD. We have

educated ourselves on natural medicine and it has served us fine

thus far. We we're " fired " by our pediatrician when we informed him

at our first well baby visit that we would opt out on

immunizations. I won't even go into the ridiculous debate we had on

the subject but i was astounded that an MD would refuse to see an

unvaccinated child. I wondered whether it was even legal.

Recently a friend told us of a ped that saw her unvaccinated

children so we called to make an appointment (the medical industry

corners the market on diagnostics so we see it as useful) and we

find that she is joining the Ped practice that we were first fired

from.

My wifes conversation with the secretary ended up being that in her

words " No pediatrician will see an unvaccinated child " . The

argument the Dr. originally gave me was that he had to many immune

compromised kids there to allow my child to come for an occasional

appointment. As if my kid is a disease carrier because he didn't

take his shots. Sorry this has gone on so long, i just wondered if

they can really do that? Luckily, my wifes family practitioner has

agreed to see him. Good to know that some doctors still believe in

the oath they took.

Rich Brantner

Springfield, MO

>

> I am really starting to see the value in foregoing well baby

checks -

> obviously they are just to give shots, so why waste our copays?

> However, I am wondering - does anyone ever worry about the worst

case

> scenario of having an issue with DSS/CPS and them pulling the

records

> and using it against you that you never took your kid to a doctor?

> That's the only thing really bothering me about the idea of not

doing

> it...

> Melinda C. in Mass.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone for your advice in this! I hadn't considered that I

will be taking baby to a chiropractor regularly and will have some

documentation in that way. Good thoughts. You guys are the best!

Melinda C. in Mass.

[Guest guest]

And why does he think there are so many immune compromised kids in his

practice to begin with? Talk about having the proof right in front of

you but still refusing to see the light!

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Rich <kingof913@...> wrote:

> The argument the Dr. originally gave me was that he had to many immune

> compromised kids there to allow my child to come for an occasional

> appointment. As if my kid is a disease carrier because he didn't

> take his shots.

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I still take my kids to well cks even though they do not get shots. I do it so

if there is ever an emergency situation my dr. will know them and there is

history.  I also do it b/c the dr. can pick up on stuff I maybe don't or can't.

Esp. developmentally and cogntivelly. My son had speech issues. I worked w/

special needs kids. So I picked up on it. But other parents who do not have that

backround may not. My friend's son had a growth on his tailbone that they

thought was cancerous. At the time she would have never known it was there but

b/c she took him to the ped. The ped. found it.

 

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I have preemie twins so we go to WBV. We have not vaxed at all and it took

us going through 5 different Pedi's to find one for our family. I like

having someone to call if I need to, and to catch possible things that may come

up

since I am a FTM! It works for us....

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[Guest guest]

Well said.

A few other reasons why I take them is my holistic pd does not do er visits and

she is 40 min away so she sends us to allopathic pd and then we call her and she

gives advice over the phone.

It does make it easier when I can get in and out in less than 30 min, 10 co pay,

the office has sick rooms and well rooms, and they don't force vax on us.

le

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Re: foregoing well baby checks

I still take my kids to well cks even though they do not get shots. I do it so

if there is ever an emergency situation my dr. will know them and there is

history.  I also do it b/c the dr. can pick up on stuff I maybe don't or can't.

Esp. developmentally and cogntivelly. My son had speech issues. I worked w/

special needs kids. So I picked up on it. But other parents who do not have that

backround may not. My friend's son had a growth on his tailbone that they

thought was cancerous. At the time she would have never known it was there but

b/c she took him to the ped. The ped. found it.

 

[Guest guest]

Me, too. I always have a ped of record. I just rarely listen to them.

Winnie

Re: foregoing well baby checks

Vaccinations

> I still take my kids to well cks even though they do not get

> shots. I do it so if there is ever an emergency situation my dr.

> will know them and there is history. I also do it b/c the dr.

> can pick up on stuff I maybe don't or can't. Esp.

> developmentally and cogntivelly. My son had speech issues. I

> worked w/ special needs kids. So I picked up on it. But other

> parents who do not have that backround may not. My friend's son

> had a growth on his tailbone that they thought was cancerous. At

> the time she would have never known it was there but b/c she

> took him to the ped. The ped. found it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/28/2008 7:06:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

jonandmelissacox@... writes:

If it is a priv. practice which most peds are they can refuse.

even if it wasnt I wouldnt want to go to a doctor that said they didnt want

me going there anyway

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Amy,

 

If it is a priv. practice which most peds are they can refuse. That is what

makes them a priv. practice they run the show. I ran into one when I moved. It

completely turned me off. I was mad and I sorta had a heated convo w/ the nurse

and she said they are priv practice. They can refuse whoever they want. I was

like that is discrimination. She said it is not.

 

[Guest guest]

One of my girlfriends had a baby in March..did not BF her first child, and I

talked to her throughout her pregnancy about BF'ing, and she said she really

wanted to try it, but with her first everyone told her that he was grossly

underweight, looked like he was withering away..and she decided to put him on

formula!

Second baby comes along, BF'ing is going well...takes her to the DR for a 2

month WBV, and the Dr tells her that she is underweight, and needs to take

formula!!! When I asked her how much she weighed at the appt...her response...12

POUNDS!!! She had almost doubled her birthweight within 2 months!!

I NEVER go to WBV with either of my kids (1 and 4).. I see no reason to take my

healthy children into a germ infested office so that someone that has NO IDEA

what my children are like can tell me to stop BF'ing my one year old, or that my

4 year old should be getting vaccinated and going to school! I see my kids

everyday...pretty sure I would know if something was going  wrong!

[Guest guest]

I've heard this method too. My mom said she did it for my brothers and was glad

because

one of them was worried he wouldn't be very tall. She was able to tell him

(based on his 2 yo

height) about what he'd be and he felt better. She says it was right, too.

>

> It's supposed to be fairly accurate to measure a 2yo and double that

> height and within 1 " plus or minus that is how tall the child will be

> when grown. I measured my children on their 2nd bdays and kept their

> measurement. In about 15 years I'll know if it's right or not. :-)

>

[Guest guest]

I've heard this method too. My mom said she did it for my brothers and was glad

because

one of them was worried he wouldn't be very tall. She was able to tell him

(based on his 2 yo

height) about what he'd be and he felt better. She says it was right, too.

>

> It's supposed to be fairly accurate to measure a 2yo and double that

> height and within 1 " plus or minus that is how tall the child will be

> when grown. I measured my children on their 2nd bdays and kept their

> measurement. In about 15 years I'll know if it's right or not. :-)

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...my first son was 7 lbs. at birth and 12 lb. 6 at 2 months (I have no idea

why I remember this 18 years later). No one said a word about him being

underweight.

Winnie

Re: foregoing well baby checks

Vaccinations

> One of my girlfriends had a baby in March..did not BF her first

> child, and I talked to her throughout her pregnancy about

> BF'ing, and she said she really wanted to try it, but with her

> first everyone told her that he was grossly underweight, looked

> like he was withering away..and she decided to put him on formula!

>

> Second baby comes along, BF'ing is going well...takes her to the

> DR for a 2 month WBV, and the Dr tells her that she is

> underweight, and needs to take formula!!! When I asked her how

> much she weighed at the appt...her response...12 POUNDS!!! She

> had almost doubled her birthweight within 2 months!!

>

> I NEVER go to WBV with either of my kids (1 and 4).. I see no

> reason to take my healthy children into a germ infested office

> so that someone that has NO IDEA what my children are like can

> tell me to stop BF'ing my one year old, or that my 4 year old

> should be getting vaccinated and going to school! I see my kids

> everyday...pretty sure I would know if something was going wrong!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...my first son was 7 lbs. at birth and 12 lb. 6 at 2 months (I have no idea

why I remember this 18 years later). No one said a word about him being

underweight.

Winnie

Re: foregoing well baby checks

Vaccinations

> One of my girlfriends had a baby in March..did not BF her first

> child, and I talked to her throughout her pregnancy about

> BF'ing, and she said she really wanted to try it, but with her

> first everyone told her that he was grossly underweight, looked

> like he was withering away..and she decided to put him on formula!

>

> Second baby comes along, BF'ing is going well...takes her to the

> DR for a 2 month WBV, and the Dr tells her that she is

> underweight, and needs to take formula!!! When I asked her how

> much she weighed at the appt...her response...12 POUNDS!!! She

> had almost doubled her birthweight within 2 months!!

>

> I NEVER go to WBV with either of my kids (1 and 4).. I see no

> reason to take my healthy children into a germ infested office

> so that someone that has NO IDEA what my children are like can

> tell me to stop BF'ing my one year old, or that my 4 year old

> should be getting vaccinated and going to school! I see my kids

> everyday...pretty sure I would know if something was going wrong!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who swears by

well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Guest guest]

She wasn't paying attention. And that poor child's clothes must have been so

tight...

Re: foregoing well baby checks

Vaccinations

> This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who

> swears by

> well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not

> to

> have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he

> said

> she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since

> she was

> so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was

> thinking, how

> did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or

> gain any

> weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse.

> Am I

> being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if

> my

> kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't put much stock in this method.

My kids are 18 and almost 17. According to their height at age 2, my 18

year old should be 5'8; she's almost 5'4. My 17 year old should be 5'7;

he's almost 6' tall. LOL

I think this formula comes from the same place the height/weight charts come

from (doctors!) Shows how off they are on even the basics!

It can be fun to speculate about our children's adult height, but as with

everything, all kids are different and will develop at their own pace.

Kay

Re: foregoing well baby checks

It's supposed to be fairly accurate to measure a 2yo and double that

height and within 1 " plus or minus that is how tall the child will be

when grown. I measured my children on their 2nd bdays and kept their

measurement. In about 15 years I'll know if it's right or not. :-)

[Guest guest]

Oh good! I checked my son's and he was 36 inches at age 2 and is already

over 6 feet and it says my daughter will only be 5 4. I sure hope that is

wrong!

le

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Subject: RE: Re: foregoing well baby checks

I wouldn't put much stock in this method.

My kids are 18 and almost 17. According to their height at age 2, my 18

year old should be 5'8; she's almost 5'4. My 17 year old should be 5'7;

he's almost 6' tall. LOL

I think this formula comes from the same place the height/weight charts come

from (doctors!) Shows how off they are on even the basics!

It can be fun to speculate about our children's adult height, but as with

everything, all kids are different and will develop at their own pace.

Kay

Re: foregoing well baby checks

It's supposed to be fairly accurate to measure a 2yo and double that

height and within 1 " plus or minus that is how tall the child will be

when grown. I measured my children on their 2nd bdays and kept their

measurement. In about 15 years I'll know if it's right or not. :-)