Re: foregoing well baby checks

[Guest guest]

Perhaps this just happens to people who rely only on Well Baby Checks. As you

can see, they are a crock. They prevent nothing.

My eldest son didn't grow much after vax and EVERYBODY knew it, except the

dr's!!

He's just small etc, etc. He was suffering malabsorption following the DPT

vaccine. Part of his diet now includes enzymes - he stays skinny but he's 5' 11 "

and 135lbs. Can't co-ordinate sufficiently to chew his food for long enough.

Reasonably healthy, despite being with sick, intellectually disabled people a

lot, who don't get the good food etc that he does.

Don't really understand how one wouldn't notice - especially when clothing the

child, but some mothers have a lot on their plates and it might not appear on

their radar.

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From: yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@...>

Subject: Re: foregoing well baby checks

Vaccinations

Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:27 PM

This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who swears by

well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Guest guest]

That makes me think, I had totally forgotten that when my youngest was a baby he

was the same size at 12 months as 9 months. When I was at the docs for that

checkup, I freaked out. The doc was quite blase about it. I was the one who

insisted there was something wrong and the doc denied it.

How could a baby quit growing for three months? I suspected it had something to

do with the yearlong antibiotics as an infant. My naturopath agreed, something

about leaky gut, not absorbing the nutrients, and said his daughter had also

been a peanut but grew just fine. That was when I got off the antibiotic cycle

and back to to the natural meds. My son is now nine and just fine, too. I can't

believe I forgot about that--I was so worried at the time.

Winnie

Re: foregoing well baby checks

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[Guest guest]

Yep, we become worried about new concerns. The gut problems are ongoing, but the

enzymes and probiotics, as well as Transfer Factor help.

One thing I never forget is to avoid hospitals as much as possible.

This group has brought back sooo much. The battles we had to fight for the first

10 years. The battle my son had, just to live sometimes. Once we learned what

health really entails, life became a bit easier - then it was bureaucratic BS to

do with education, and the ridiculous notion of teachers being in loco parentis,

hence home-schooling.

In the 6 weeks following the DPT, I was appalled that my son put on 2ozs! That

was between 6 & 7.5 months. My family members were on my back about his weight,

I was on my back about his weight. I dragged out all our ped receipts, 2nd and

3rd and 4th opinions and asked the family for references to further peds they

thought might have the answers! That shut them up for a while. He finally got

batteries of tests done in the public system when he was 3 years old - it took

that long! That's socialised medicine for you! Hah! Not one definitive result!

Scary when they aren't listening to the mothers. It was another year before

someone suggested neurological and gut damage.

Maracuja

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Re: Re: foregoing well baby checks

That makes me think, I had totally forgotten that when my youngest was a baby he

was the same size at 12 months as 9 months. When I was at the docs for that

checkup, I freaked out. The doc was quite blase about it. I was the one who

insisted there was something wrong and the doc denied it.

How could a baby quit growing for three months? I suspected it had something to

do with the yearlong antibiotics as an infant. My naturopath agreed, something

about leaky gut, not absorbing the nutrients, and said his daughter had also

been a peanut but grew just fine. That was when I got off the antibiotic cycle

and back to to the natural meds. My son is now nine and just fine, too. I can't

believe I forgot about that--I was so worried at the time.

Winnie

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[Guest guest]

I'm with you

Sheri

At 08:27 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote:

>This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who swears by

>well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

>have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

>she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

>so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

>did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

>weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

>being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

>kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

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[Guest guest]

When I first starting reading this my first thought was she was her mother and

didn't realize she hadn't grown in a year? I weight and measure my daughters

height every month (she is 14 months) just to keep track and make sure she is on

target as I do not believe in well child visits.

Just seems crazy to me you can be a mother and not notice something like that.

Crazy!!

Re: foregoing well baby checks

This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who swears by

well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Guest guest]

I don't do well visits and I don't weigh and compare to charts. I did when my

babies were

first born, or if I suspect a problem. (Like when I was trying to nurse a 3mo

while

pregnant and I wondered if my supply was keeping up.) Other than that, I might

only

weigh them if I want to check their diaper size. So, I don't personally think

this mom's

story is totally out there since we aren't talking about an infant. A year

might be a bit on

the excessive size if it was an infant that is supposed to grow out of clothing

every 3 mos.

But a 4 yo that probably wouldn't grow out of their clothes anywhere near that

often -

doesn't sound totally unreasonable to me. I don't know - my kids aren't

anywhere near 4

yo yet. Seems to me the key is - how was the child acting? If happy, normal,

and healthy,

I could see how she might miss it. Otherwise, maybe not so much. I don't know

- should

I go weigh my 1 1/2 yo? I rarely do.

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> When I first starting reading this my first thought was she was her mother and

didn't

realize she hadn't grown in a year? I weight and measure my daughters height

every

month (she is 14 months) just to keep track and make sure she is on target as I

do not

believe in well child visits.

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> well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

> have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

> she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

> so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

> did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

> weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

> being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

> kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

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[Guest guest]

I wasnt saying she should weigh her four year old all the time. I would just

think as her mother she should have noticed jsut by seeing her everyday that she

hadnt grow at all. I mean in a YEAR she hadnt grown that seems pretty crazy to

just not notice in a years time... But maybe thats just me

Re: foregoing well baby checks

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> This is kind of an odd comment. I have an acquaintance who swears by

> well baby check ups. Her 4 year old daughter was discovered not to

> have grown at all in a year. When the doctor ran some tests, he said

> she had mono and of course gave antibiotics and stuff. Since she was

> so distraught by this I didn't question but in mind I was thinking, how

> did you not notice that your daughter hasn't grown taller or gain any

> weight for a whole year? To top it off, this lady was a nurse. Am I

> being critical? I take for granted that I would have noticed if my

> kids haven't grown in a year, but maybe I'm wrong.

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[Guest guest]

Maracuja, you mentioned the word " malabsorption " what does that mean?

I can sort of assume the meaning, but I want to know for sure out of

curiuosity.

Thanks, Rina

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> Yep, we become worried about new concerns. The gut problems are

ongoing, but the enzymes and probiotics, as well as Transfer Factor

help.

>

> One thing I never forget is to avoid hospitals as much as possible.

>

> This group has brought back sooo much. The battles we had to fight

for the first 10 years. The battle my son had, just to live

sometimes. Once we learned what health really entails, life became a

bit easier - then it was bureaucratic BS to do with education, and

the ridiculous notion of teachers being in loco parentis, hence home-

schooling.

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> In the 6 weeks following the DPT, I was appalled that my son put on

2ozs! That was between 6 & 7.5 months. My family members were on my

back about his weight, I was on my back about his weight. I dragged

out all our ped receipts, 2nd and 3rd and 4th opinions and asked the

family for references to further peds they thought might have the

answers! That shut them up for a while. He finally got batteries of

tests done in the public system when he was 3 years old - it took

that long! That's socialised medicine for you! Hah! Not one

definitive result! Scary when they aren't listening to the mothers.

It was another year before someone suggested neurological and gut

damage.

> Maracuja

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> Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign!

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> That makes me think, I had totally forgotten that when my youngest

was a baby he was the same size at 12 months as 9 months. When I was

at the docs for that checkup, I freaked out. The doc was quite blase

about it. I was the one who insisted there was something wrong and

the doc denied it.

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> How could a baby quit growing for three months? I suspected it had

something to do with the yearlong antibiotics as an infant. My

naturopath agreed, something about leaky gut, not absorbing the

nutrients, and said his daughter had also been a peanut but grew just

fine. That was when I got off the antibiotic cycle and back to to the

natural meds. My son is now nine and just fine, too. I can't believe

I forgot about that--I was so worried at the time.

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[Guest guest]

Not Maracuja, but I had malabsorption as a byproduct of mercury poisoning

(via dental amalgam). I can tell you it is exactly what it sounds like -

the food going in doesn't get properly absorbed. I had gotten so bad I was

all the way down to 105 (125 is minimum ideal for me), eating like a pig and

still losing weight - so frustrating!!

For me, it had a lot to do with my pancreas not producing adequate enzymes

to break down food, resulting in food particles too big for my intestines to

absorb. It also had a lot to do with my continuous elimination of mercury

through bile killing off my flora, which plays a part in absorption in the

large intestine. I did enzymes and probiotics for some time, but chelation

was vital to regaining to ability to function without enzymes and

probiotics. Mercury effects the pituitary, which is responsible for telling

your body how much of each hormone to produce - (

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypopituitarism are good to read) so in a

nutshell, everything breaks as a result of mercury poisoning.

Thyroid and adrenal function is a lot more important than you'd realize -

your temperature should be around 98.6 otherwise your intestines aren't warm

enough to incubate the right bacteria and your enzymes won't work as well

(all chemical reactions have temperature and PH ranges they work best at)

and without working thyroid/adrenals, you'll run low temps (I was told it

was " normal " for me to be 97.6 or lower for 12 years - what a crock, I run a

perfect 98.6 now that I'm healthy). On top of chelation, I had to pull all

sorts of junk out of my diet (fluoride from tap water/toothpaste/etc had to

go, as did bromate from most flour products) to get my thyroid back up to

par, and still have to avoid that junk otherwise my temperature dips. My

adrenals were " easier " : they just needed salt.

I wish doctors actually knew the importance of hormones!!

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:36 PM, kisses4chuly <kisses4chuly@...>

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> Maracuja, you mentioned the word " malabsorption " what does that mean?

> I can sort of assume the meaning, but I want to know for sure out of

> curiuosity.

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> Thanks, Rina

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[Guest guest]

Nearly two thirds of children with autism have gut symptoms. Leaky gut is common

 and malabsorption or maldigestion  leads to chronic diarrhoea or constipation.

They are unable to absorb the nutrients for optimal health..

 

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Re: Re: foregoing well baby checks

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> That makes me think, I had totally forgotten that when my youngest

was a baby he was the same size at 12 months as 9 months. When I was

at the docs for that checkup, I freaked out. The doc was quite blase

about it. I was the one who insisted there was something wrong and

the doc denied it.

>

> How could a baby quit growing for three months? I suspected it had

something to do with the yearlong antibiotics as an infant. My

naturopath agreed, something about leaky gut, not absorbing the

nutrients, and said his daughter had also been a peanut but grew just

fine. That was when I got off the antibiotic cycle and back to to the

natural meds. My son is now nine and just fine, too. I can't believe

I forgot about that--I was so worried at the time.

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