Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

[Guest guest]

This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide real-life

stories about raising completely unvaccinated children? Something that would

give those of us who have moments of doubt some inspiration to stick to what we

know is right?

Thanks!

Deb. S.

[Guest guest]

Do you get Mothering Magazine?

Winnie

Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

Vaccinations

> This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> dangers of vaccination, but are there any websites or sources

> that provide real-life stories about raising completely

> unvaccinated children? Something that would give those of us

> who have moments of doubt some inspiration to stick to what we

> know is right?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Deb. S.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pathways to family wellness is a great magazine as well.

http://www.pathwaystofamilywellness.org/

Also it seems that several of us have blogs that you could check out.

Mine is http://drhansen20.blogspot.com my oldest 3 are partially vaxed

and my baby is 100% vax/ped/anything allopathic free. The big

difference for me from vaxxing to non vaxxing, is we are healthier and

happier for it, as far as the day to day goes we eat a better, and are

more conscious of our health but an outsider looking in wouldn't know

it unless they asked (or I told them, and that is usually the case).

Marci

[Guest guest]

At 11:19 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote:

>This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers

>of vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

>real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

>children? Something that would give those of us who have moments of

>doubt some inspiration to stick to what we know is right?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Deb. S.

Well, there are large numbers on this list.

Any of you hear have websites?

Unvaccinated children are the healthiest children that I know and I

know hundreds as patients and children of people on the lists

And recently I posted 2 websites that wanted photos of unvaxed kids

I'll have to find them. Anyone else?

Sheri

listowner

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri,

The AVN would like to put information on healthy unvaccinated children

on their website - www.avn.org.au. If anyone out there has a story to

share and preferably a photo as well, please forward them to me via

private email to meryl@.... It is SO important that parents who

have been told by doctors that their kids will be sick and die if they

don't get vaccinated see that this is in fact not true!

All the best,

Meryl

Meryl Dorey,

President

Australian Vaccination Network

Enabling Australians to make informed health choices

Editor

Living Wisdom Magazine

Your Health - Your Rights - Your Options

PO Box 177

BANGALOW NSW 2479

Phone: (61 +2) 02 6687 1699

FAX (61 +2) 02 6687 2032

meryl@... <mailto:meryl@...>

www.avn.org.au <http://www.avn.org.au>

" All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second,

it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. "

Arthur Schopenhauer

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ]

On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:10 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

At 11:19 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote:

>This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers

>of vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

>real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

>children? Something that would give those of us who have moments of

>doubt some inspiration to stick to what we know is right?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Deb. S.

Well, there are large numbers on this list.

Any of you hear have websites?

Unvaccinated children are the healthiest children that I know and I

know hundreds as patients and children of people on the lists

And recently I posted 2 websites that wanted photos of unvaxed kids

I'll have to find them. Anyone else?

Sheri

listowner

[Guest guest]

The midwife that did my homebirth has 9 kids, 8 vax free(now in their 20's and

30's), and the woman who owns my doggy daycare has 4 vax free kids, aged 4-15.  

They both do homeschooling though so I don't have a precedent for getting in to

school, but I'm SO thankful we had these mothers to talk to, otherwise it would

have been much harder for me to talk my husband into going non-vax.  They saved

me

Hollie

>This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers

>of vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

>real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

>children? Something that would give those of us who have moments of

>doubt some inspiration to stick to what we know is right?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Deb. S.

Well, there are large numbers on this list.

Any of you hear have websites?

Unvaccinated children are the healthiest children that I know and I

know hundreds as patients and children of people on the lists

And recently I posted 2 websites that wanted photos of unvaxed kids

I'll have to find them. Anyone else?

Sheri

listowner

[Guest guest]

<<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

MC - 4/20/08

Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

Jim

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

<<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

MC - 4/20/08

Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/ baby.htm

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

My Mother's step son (she only recently remarried, so I feel kind of

funny calling him my step brother. LOL) was unvaccinated until last

year, when he decided to move to Europe to get his doctorate. He was

healthy, strong, happy, confident and independent. Rather than

bothering to fill out exemption forms, he elected to get the

recommended vaccinations before traveling to Europe. A little over a

month ago he was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, and his whole

personality and demeanor has changed. His mother is in the process of

moving to Europe so she can take care of him.

So, you tell me... a healthy, happy, unvaccinated 20-something

contracted AS after vaccination, and, at present time, is dependent

upon others for his everyday care. Coincidence?

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who responded!

Over the weekend I had one of those almost surreal conversations with

one of dh's relatives at a wedding. When people hear that our daughter was

born at home, they always look at me like I'm insane and it must have been

an accident. When I assure them that it was very much planned, the

conversation evolves into the other " nutty " ideas we have about how to raise

a healthy child. Our daughter is now 2 - extremely healthy, bright and

bubbly! If I ever doubt our decision not to vaccinate, I only need to look

into those big blue eyes to know we are right.

I'm in my late thirties, and never really gave vaccine any thought until

I " happened " to catch a discussion with the folks from Autism Speaks (when

they were still focused mainly on vaccines). While I don't doubt that we

made the right decision for our family, I do wonder occasionally about the

wisdom of sharing that information. On the one hand, I know the only way

people will ever consider their options is if they know there's something to

consider. On the other, it has lead to some fairly frustrating

conversations. The media works hard to seek out that one unvaccinated child

that gets sick and whose parents suddenly decided it's time to shoot all

their kids up with poison.

In addition to all of the horror stories and real dangers of

vaccination, it would be wonderful to be able to direct people to a site

with thousands (if not millions) of children's success stories. I know

there are many, many other's just like our dd who are thriving without

vaccinations. I'm not sure if it is a matter of us parent's not wanting to

expose our decisions to the scrutiny of millions, or if our kids are just so

healthy that we really don't have much to tell.

I am forever grateful to all the parents and loved-ones who have brought

this issue to light and who continue to fight for all of our children! My

daughter and our newest little one (due in March '09), are definitely the

beneficiaries of all of your hard work!

Blessings,

Deb. S.

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

> vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

> Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

> inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

>

>

> I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

> vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

> need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

>

>

> )0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

> Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

> 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> MC - 4/20/08

> Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm

> Vaccine free since 1999.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have 3 unvaccinated children.... ages 9, 5, & 2 yrs old. They're generally

healthy. Barely miss any days of school... yes, they're in public school.

I have 11 unvaccinated nieces and nephews ranging in ages 14 to almost 2 yrs

old. Again, all healthy.

Alison,

Non-vaxing, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, baby-wearing, natural birthing,

herb & homeopathy-using Louisiana sahm to 3 children:

Calista (2-13-99)

Ursula (12-22-02)

Wyatt(12-20-05)

[Guest guest]

And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at home

unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with towels).

She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than our

chiropractor and our dentist!

She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots, vitamin K

and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU, etc.).

Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood diagnoses either

- no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive diarrhea or

vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than typical baby

spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our nursing

relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her letters.

She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals, such as

golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the difference

between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys & mules,

apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some

adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much of who she

is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system has never

been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous) contents.

When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time span of a

particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles, mumps,

rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on *real* immunity

to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It is not

immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just looking for

a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress - they don't

tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the guarantee,

anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the guarantee, and

who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in their

financial interest to classify anything and everything as above and beyond

" normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if they do get

the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY* to

scientifically back that up, without going back in time and giving them the

disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality and giving

the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the two. This

is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases to try to

placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work, they threaten

(to kick you out of their medical practice or to alert " authorities " ) and

call in the media to play dirty.

Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them? What is that

about? Like I care what Garner or s think about the

scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of money to

memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will take a

well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad over anyone

in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is getting the

word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to Hollywood! I

want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the word out.

I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is completely

unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They live by fear

and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't want her

to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the ones who

have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox (varicella),

etc.)!

Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad that new

people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just the dr's

line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis, tetanus,

measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that happen to

your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the vaccines came

out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have now

developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they have to

create a demand. The government makes too much money off pharmaceuticals to

not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the diseases, like

measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a handful

would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of them die.

Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is so much

info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and websites,

and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message, other than

those that vax.)

Kim

Wife to Port (12-19-01)

Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

" Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and the bantam

chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster Flicka)

My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

Jim

<<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

MC - 4/20/08

Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/ baby.htm

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

Beautiful response Kim.. i share your sentiments.  When I see my little 7mth

old, how alert she is, responding to two languages it reinforces how we have

made the right decision to keep her (and by extension her future children) far

away from poisons.  It is so rewarding to see.

OH AND..-..... "  She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some adults

don't " )???..  -  I feel stupid doing so,  but must ask... what is the uvula? 

Please educate me! LOL!

ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at home

unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with towels).

She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than our

chiropractor and our dentist!

She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots, vitamin K

and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU, etc.).

Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood diagnoses either

- no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive diarrhea or

vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than typical baby

spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our nursing

relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her letters.

She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals, such as

golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the difference

between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys & mules,

apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some

adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much of who she

is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system has never

been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous) contents.

When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time span of a

particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles, mumps,

rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on *real* immunity

to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It is not

immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just looking for

a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress - they don't

tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the guarantee,

anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the guarantee, and

who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in their

financial interest to classify anything and everything as above and beyond

" normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if they do get

the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY* to

scientifically back that up, without going back in time and giving them the

disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality and giving

the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the two. This

is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases to try to

placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work, they threaten

(to kick you out of their medical practice or to alert " authorities " ) and

call in the media to play dirty.

Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them? What is that

about? Like I care what Garner or s think about the

scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of money to

memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will take a

well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom or Dad over anyone

in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is getting the

word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to Hollywood! I

want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the word out.

I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is completely

unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They live by fear

and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't want her

to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the ones who

have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox (varicella),

etc.)!

Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad that new

people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just the dr's

line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis, tetanus,

measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that happen to

your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the vaccines came

out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have now

developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they have to

create a demand. The government makes too much money off pharmaceuticals to

not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the diseases, like

measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a handful

would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of them die.

Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is so much

info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and websites,

and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message, other than

those that vax.)

Kim

Wife to Port (12-19-01)

Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

" Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and the bantam

chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster Flicka)

My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

Jim

<<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

MC - 4/20/08

Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/ baby.htm

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

Beautiful response Kim.. i share your sentiments.  When I see my little 7mth

old, how alert she is, responding to two languages it reinforces how we have

made the right decision to keep her (and by extension her future children) far

away from poisons.  It is so rewarding to see.

OH AND..-..... "  She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some adults

don't " )???..  -  I feel stupid doing so,  but must ask... what is the uvula? 

Please educate me! LOL!

ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at home

unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with towels).

She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than our

chiropractor and our dentist!

She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots, vitamin K

and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU, etc.).

Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood diagnoses either

- no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive diarrhea or

vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than typical baby

spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our nursing

relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her letters.

She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals, such as

golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the difference

between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys & mules,

apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some

adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much of who she

is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system has never

been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous) contents.

When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time span of a

particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles, mumps,

rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on *real* immunity

to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It is not

immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just looking for

a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress - they don't

tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the guarantee,

anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the guarantee, and

who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in their

financial interest to classify anything and everything as above and beyond

" normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if they do get

the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY* to

scientifically back that up, without going back in time and giving them the

disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality and giving

the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the two. This

is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases to try to

placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work, they threaten

(to kick you out of their medical practice or to alert " authorities " ) and

call in the media to play dirty.

Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them? What is that

about? Like I care what Garner or s think about the

scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of money to

memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will take a

well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom or Dad over anyone

in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is getting the

word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to Hollywood! I

want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the word out.

I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is completely

unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They live by fear

and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't want her

to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the ones who

have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox (varicella),

etc.)!

Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad that new

people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just the dr's

line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis, tetanus,

measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that happen to

your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the vaccines came

out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have now

developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they have to

create a demand. The government makes too much money off pharmaceuticals to

not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the diseases, like

measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a handful

would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of them die.

Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is so much

info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and websites,

and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message, other than

those that vax.)

Kim

Wife to Port (12-19-01)

Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

" Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and the bantam

chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster Flicka)

My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

Jim

<<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

MC - 4/20/08

Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/ baby.htm

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Arianna. I kind of went off a little, but I feel strongly about

this subject, and I knew you all would understand!

Your uvula is the little hangy thing in the back of your throat. It serves

several functions: seals off your nasal cavity (with your tonsils) to

prevent food or drink from going up your nose, it assists in speech

articulation (think the adults in the Peanuts cartoons -- they spoke with

only guttural, uvular sounds). I just found some interesting info online

about it -- it seems some peole even pierce theirs! (But this is

dangerous!) She feels so smart, and you are able to see them constantly in

cartoons and such (like when someone is screaming), so she loves to tell me

she saw it! And she loves to educate people about it!

Kim

Beautiful response Kim.. i share your sentiments.  When I see my little 7mth

old, how alert she is, responding to two languages it reinforces how we have

made the right decision to keep her (and by extension her future children)

far away from poisons.  It is so rewarding to see.

OH AND..-..... "  She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some adults

don't " )???..  -  I feel stupid doing so,  but must ask... what is the

uvula?  Please educate me! LOL!

ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

[Guest guest]

" and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy

was there with towels). "

I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully successful

unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth (mainly

because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived about 20

minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the way.

I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a child has

been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard to explain,

but there just something very much more " alert " about a child whose immune

system has not been messed with.

I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from scrutiny and

the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are there folks on

this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website if I put

one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little ones - with or

without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so maybe if those

who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@...) , we can

work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with thousands

of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to ignore as well

as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

Blessings,

Deb.

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at home

> unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with towels).

> She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than our

> chiropractor and our dentist!

>

>

>

> She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots, vitamin

> K

> and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU, etc.).

> Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood diagnoses

> either

> - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive diarrhea or

> vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than typical baby

> spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our nursing

> relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her letters.

> She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals, such as

> golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the difference

> between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys & mules,

> apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula is (some

> adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

> circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much of who

> she

> is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system has never

> been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous) contents.

>

>

>

> When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time span of a

> particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles, mumps,

> rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on *real*

> immunity

> to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It is not

> immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just looking

> for

> a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress - they don't

> tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the

> guarantee,

> anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the guarantee, and

> who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in their

> financial interest to classify anything and everything as above and beyond

> " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if they do get

> the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY* to

> scientifically back that up, without going back in time and giving them

> the

> disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality and giving

> the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the two. This

> is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases to try to

> placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work, they

> threaten

> (to kick you out of their medical practice or to alert " authorities " ) and

> call in the media to play dirty.

>

>

>

> Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them? What is

> that

> about? Like I care what Garner or s think about

> the

> scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of money to

> memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will take a

> well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad over

> anyone

> in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is getting the

> word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to Hollywood!

> I

> want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the word

> out.

> I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is

> completely

> unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They live by

> fear

> and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't want her

> to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the ones who

> have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox (varicella),

> etc.)!

>

>

>

> Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad that new

> people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just the dr's

> line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis, tetanus,

> measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that happen

> to

> your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the vaccines

> came

> out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have now

> developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they have to

> create a demand. The government makes too much money off pharmaceuticals

> to

> not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the diseases,

> like

> measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a handful

> would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of them

> die.

> Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is so much

> info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and

> websites,

> and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

> vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message, other

> than

> those that vax.)

>

>

>

> Kim

>

> Wife to Port (12-19-01)

>

> Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

>

> " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and the

> bantam

> chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster Flicka)

>

>

>

> My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> Jim

>

>

> <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the dangers of

> vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

> Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt some

> inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

>

> I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-life

> vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do you

> need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

>

>

> )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

> 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> MC - 4/20/08

> Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/ baby.htm

> Vaccine free since 1999.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.  DH, DS(11 months) and I went to a

flea market 2 weeks ago.  We probably saw 50 babies, and they all looked sort of

vacant, compared to our non vaxxed son.  Then we saw an amish baby, sitting up

in her stroller, looking just as wild and wooly as our son.  We positively could

not believe it!!!  We looked at eachother like we knew immediately that that

unvaccinated amish child was the only other one out of the 50+ we saw there that

could come close to having as healthy a life as our son.  It was incredible,

sad, and amazing all at once. 

Hollie

I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a child has

been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard to explain,

but there just something very much more " alert " about a child whose immune

system has not been messed with.

,___

[Guest guest]

Now that you mention it, I think I noticed the same thing when my first was

born. He was

always so active and alert. We'd see other babies his age and they'd just be

laying in their

strollers or car seats kinda half out of it. I don't think I attributed it to

vaccines but I guess

that could explain the difference. Interesting idea.

>

>

> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a child has

>

> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard to explain,

>

> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child whose immune

>

> system has not been messed with.

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[Guest guest]

I kind of agree with you guys. My 15 month old son is nicknamed The

Destroyer and The Tornado, he is so active and naughty and has been

for so long. My friend's baby, 10 months and completely vaxed cause

both grandparents are pediatricians, still gets carried around in

her baby car seat and always has her eyes wide open, but with a sort

of blank stare. I think this is what you guys are talking about.

> >

> >

> > I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

child has

> >

> > been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard

to explain,

> >

> > but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

whose immune

> >

> > system has not been messed with.

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[Guest guest]

Debbie, what is this " look in their eyes " that you are speaking of?

Let me remind you of something, unfortunately not all of us on this

list learned of the poisons that vaccines are in time and went ahead

and had are children/child vaccinated. I am certainly one of them and

in no way proud of that fact. I hear that a lot on this list that

some of you can just tell.....my daughter was vaccinated up until 12

months old and let me tell you, she has NO certain look in her eyes

other than pure innocence and curiousity. My daughter is also 100%

ALERT!!! In fact, too alert if you ask me. So with that being said

please don't sterotype the ones who have been vaxxed. It's hard

enough having to deal with the fact that I let " them " inject her with

posions and than hear of people like you say you can accurately

pinpoint vaccinated children like you are some gifted

psychic.....PLEASE!

Rina

>

> " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

and Daddy

> was there with towels). "

>

> I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully successful

> unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

(mainly

> because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived about

20

> minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

way.

>

> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

child has

> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard to

explain,

> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child whose

immune

> system has not been messed with.

>

> I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

scrutiny and

> the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are there

folks on

> this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website if

I put

> one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little ones -

with or

> without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so maybe

if those

> who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@...) , we can

> work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

thousands

> of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to ignore

as well

> as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

>

> Blessings,

> Deb.

>

> RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

>

>

> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

home

> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

towels).

> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

our

> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> >

> >

> >

> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots,

vitamin

> > K

> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

etc.).

> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

diagnoses

> > either

> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

diarrhea or

> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

typical baby

> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

nursing

> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her

letters.

> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

such as

> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

difference

> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys

& mules,

> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula

is (some

> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much

of who

> > she

> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system

has never

> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

contents.

> >

> >

> >

> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

span of a

> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

mumps,

> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

*real*

> > immunity

> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It

is not

> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just

looking

> > for

> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

they don't

> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the

> > guarantee,

> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

guarantee, and

> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

their

> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

and beyond

> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

they do get

> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY*

to

> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

giving them

> > the

> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

and giving

> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

two. This

> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

to try to

> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

they

> > threaten

> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

alert " authorities " ) and

> > call in the media to play dirty.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

What is

> > that

> > about? Like I care what Garner or s think

about

> > the

> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of

money to

> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

take a

> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad

over

> > anyone

> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

getting the

> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

Hollywood!

> > I

> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the

word

> > out.

> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is

> > completely

> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

live by

> > fear

> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't

want her

> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the

ones who

> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

(varicella),

> > etc.)!

> >

> >

> >

> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

that new

> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just

the dr's

> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

tetanus,

> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that

happen

> > to

> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

vaccines

> > came

> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

now

> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

have to

> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

pharmaceuticals

> > to

> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

diseases,

> > like

> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a

handful

> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of

them

> > die.

> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is

so much

> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and

> > websites,

> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message,

other

> > than

> > those that vax.)

> >

> >

> >

> > Kim

> >

> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> >

> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> >

> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and

the

> > bantam

> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster

Flicka)

> >

> >

> >

> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

dangers of

> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

some

> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> >

> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-

life

> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

you

> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> >

> >

> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > MC - 4/20/08

> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

baby.htm

> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In your defense - Those posts might make me feel sad/defensive as

well. I thought of my nephew who has some shots and then his mom quit

them. He has a great, happy, vibrant look in his eyes. I think " the

look " they are talking about might be more of a combination of things

in a healthy child. Most moms who quit vaccinating once they

understand or just plain don't vaccinate probably are also aware of

other things that help their children be healthy/give them

that " look " (wholesome foods, education, being loved etc.)

In their defense - I think they would agree that all these things

bring out " the look " they are referring to. Everyone is proud of

their own children - especially while they are young

> >

> > " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

> and Daddy

> > was there with towels). "

> >

> > I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully

successful

> > unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

> (mainly

> > because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived

about

> 20

> > minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

> way.

> >

> > I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

> child has

> > been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard

to

> explain,

> > but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

whose

> immune

> > system has not been messed with.

> >

> > I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

> scrutiny and

> > the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are

there

> folks on

> > this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website

if

> I put

> > one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little ones -

> with or

> > without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so

maybe

> if those

> > who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> > work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

> thousands

> > of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to

ignore

> as well

> > as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Deb.

> >

> > RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> >

> >

> > > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> home

> > > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> towels).

> > > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> our

> > > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

shots,

> vitamin

> > > K

> > > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> etc.).

> > > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> diagnoses

> > > either

> > > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> diarrhea or

> > > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> typical baby

> > > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> nursing

> > > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all

her

> letters.

> > > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> such as

> > > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> difference

> > > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

donkeys

> & mules,

> > > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

uvula

> is (some

> > > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and

the

> > > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

much

> of who

> > > she

> > > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

system

> has never

> > > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> contents.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> span of a

> > > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> mumps,

> > > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> *real*

> > > immunity

> > > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines.

It

> is not

> > > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

just

> looking

> > > for

> > > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> they don't

> > > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids

the

> > > guarantee,

> > > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> guarantee, and

> > > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> their

> > > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> and beyond

> > > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> they do get

> > > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

WAY*

> to

> > > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> giving them

> > > the

> > > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> and giving

> > > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> two. This

> > > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> to try to

> > > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> they

> > > threaten

> > > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> alert " authorities " ) and

> > > call in the media to play dirty.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> What is

> > > that

> > > about? Like I care what Garner or s

think

> about

> > > the

> > > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot

of

> money to

> > > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> take a

> > > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad

> over

> > > anyone

> > > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> getting the

> > > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> Hollywood!

> > > I

> > > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get

the

> word

> > > out.

> > > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut

is

> > > completely

> > > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> live by

> > > fear

> > > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

don't

> want her

> > > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are

the

> ones who

> > > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> (varicella),

> > > etc.)!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> that new

> > > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not

just

> the dr's

> > > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> tetanus,

> > > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have

that

> happen

> > > to

> > > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> vaccines

> > > came

> > > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> now

> > > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> have to

> > > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> pharmaceuticals

> > > to

> > > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> diseases,

> > > like

> > > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and

a

> handful

> > > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons

of

> them

> > > die.

> > > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There

is

> so much

> > > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books

and

> > > websites,

> > > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to

stop

> > > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

message,

> other

> > > than

> > > those that vax.)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> > > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > >

> > > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> > >

> > > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny),

and

> the

> > > bantam

> > > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

rooster

> Flicka)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> > > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> dangers of

> > > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> > > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

children?

> > > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> some

> > > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > >

> > > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-

> life

> > > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> you

> > > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

> > > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > > MC - 4/20/08

> > > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> baby.htm

> > > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It is unfortunate that the original post about the look in the eyes of

vaccinated children bothers you so. I am sure that it was not meant to try to

make anyone feel bad. It is just an observation and I urge you not to take it

personally. Now, if it has stirred up feelings within you because you chose

to vaccinate before you knew better, then so be it but it is unfair to pin

those feelings on someone who has made an observation. Certainly, this look

does

not apply to all vaccinated children.

I am a mother of 5, My first 3 ages 18-23 are totally vaccine free as is my

now 3 year old, and when they were little people would comment on their

vibrance!

Now my 4th daughter did get an entire round of vaccines without my knowledge

at 3 years old when she had visitation with my then estranged husband. He

did it to hurt though he hurt his daughter in the process. She had such a

look in her eyes but it was more of an uptight intensity about everything

around

her, Kind of wild eye look. She also became more aggressive and easily

agitated. Because she was 3, the personality changes in her were very obvious

to me and others.

My point here is, that I do not feel attacked because someone made an

observation about a look in the eyes. I see it all around me too and sometimes

when I am out shopping and I see a little one riding in the cart or in the

stroller and very lethargic and seemingly miserable, I do wonder what role

their

vaccines play into it and I mostly just feel sad for the little ones and for

the parents who really do try to do the best thing for their babies. I feel

anger towards the professionals who push the vaccines and convince parents of

their necessity. It just breaks my heart.

So, please don't be offended. I know the mothers on this list have meant

you no harm. If it angers you, then maybe your anger ought to be directed at

those who convinced you to vaccinate before you knew the truth about

vaccines.. Ya know??

Mavis

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not as the gift of their chief magistrate.

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In a message dated 7/16/2008 7:30:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

cshumac17@... writes:

I have to agree here. I partially vaxed my 3 year old on a delayed

schedule and then made the decision to quit altogether just before my

13 month old was born. I do not see a diffrent look in their eyes

even if I am purposely looking for it. I do remember immediately

after the shots and for about a week or so my son would have a

different look about him, but it didn't last. I feel quilty enough

about what I did to my son I don't need any one else making me feel bad.

>

> Debbie, what is this " look in their eyes " that you are speaking of?

> Let me remind you of something, unfortunately not all of us on this

> list learned of the poisons that vaccines are in time and went ahead

> and had are children/child vaccinated. I am certainly one of them and

> in no way proud of that fact. I hear that a lot on this list that

> some of you can just tell.....my daughter was vaccinated up until 12

> months old and let me tell you, she has NO certain look in her eyes

> other than pure innocence and curiousity. My daughter is also 100%

> ALERT!!! In fact, too alert if you ask me. So with that being said

> please don't sterotype the ones who have been vaxxed. It's hard

> enough having to deal with the fact that I let " them " inject her with

> posions and than hear of people like you say you can accurately

> pinpoint vaccinated children like you are some gifted

> psychic..... ps

>

> Rina

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[Guest guest]

Rina,

I apologize for offending you and others! In no way did I mean to cast

blame! Parenting is filled with millions of decisions that we make with the

information we have available at the moment. We may make different

decisions once we've gathered new information, but guilt is a waste of time

and energy. It's wonderful that your daughter is so alert! Our children

are a collection of all of our decisions and theirs, there is no one cause

for anything. I was simply sharing something that I and others have

noticed. Sadly, I have witnessed first hand, several very bright eyed,

attentive infants become a bit " glossed over " as time goes by and the

vaccines stack up. Obviously you are doing a wonderful job taking care of

your daughter and giving her everything she needs!

Blessings,

Deb.

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

>>

>>

>> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> home

>> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> towels).

>> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> our

>> > chiropractor and our dentist!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots,

> vitamin

>> > K

>> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> etc.).

>> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> diagnoses

>> > either

>> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> diarrhea or

>> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> typical baby

>> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> nursing

>> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her

> letters.

>> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> such as

>> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> difference

>> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys

> & mules,

>> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula

> is (some

>> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

>> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much

> of who

>> > she

>> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system

> has never

>> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> contents.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> span of a

>> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> mumps,

>> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> *real*

>> > immunity

>> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It

> is not

>> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just

> looking

>> > for

>> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> they don't

>> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the

>> > guarantee,

>> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> guarantee, and

>> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> their

>> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> and beyond

>> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> they do get

>> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY*

> to

>> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> giving them

>> > the

>> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> and giving

>> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> two. This

>> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> to try to

>> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> they

>> > threaten

>> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> alert " authorities " ) and

>> > call in the media to play dirty.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> What is

>> > that

>> > about? Like I care what Garner or s think

> about

>> > the

>> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of

> money to

>> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> take a

>> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad

> over

>> > anyone

>> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> getting the

>> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> Hollywood!

>> > I

>> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the

> word

>> > out.

>> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is

>> > completely

>> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> live by

>> > fear

>> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't

> want her

>> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the

> ones who

>> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> (varicella),

>> > etc.)!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> that new

>> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just

> the dr's

>> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> tetanus,

>> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that

> happen

>> > to

>> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> vaccines

>> > came

>> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> now

>> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> have to

>> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> pharmaceuticals

>> > to

>> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> diseases,

>> > like

>> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a

> handful

>> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of

> them

>> > die.

>> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is

> so much

>> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and

>> > websites,

>> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

>> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message,

> other

>> > than

>> > those that vax.)

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Kim

>> >

>> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

>> >

>> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

>> >

>> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and

> the

>> > bantam

>> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster

> Flicka)

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

>> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

>> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

>> > Jim

>> >

>> >

>> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> dangers of

>> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

>> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

>> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> some

>> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

>> >

>> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-

> life

>> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> you

>> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

>> >

>> >

>> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

>> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

>> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

>> > MC - 4/20/08

>> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> baby.htm

>> > Vaccine free since 1999.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I have to agree here. I partially vaxed my 3 year old on a delayed

schedule and then made the decision to quit altogether just before my

13 month old was born. I do not see a diffrent look in their eyes

even if I am purposely looking for it. I do remember immediately

after the shots and for about a week or so my son would have a

different look about him, but it didn't last. I feel quilty enough

about what I did to my son I don't need any one else making me feel bad.

> >

> > " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

> and Daddy

> > was there with towels). "

> >

> > I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully successful

> > unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

> (mainly

> > because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived about

> 20

> > minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

> way.

> >

> > I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

> child has

> > been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard to

> explain,

> > but there just something very much more " alert " about a child whose

> immune

> > system has not been messed with.

> >

> > I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

> scrutiny and

> > the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are there

> folks on

> > this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website if

> I put

> > one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little ones -

> with or

> > without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so maybe

> if those

> > who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> > work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

> thousands

> > of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to ignore

> as well

> > as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Deb.

> >

> > RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> >

> >

> > > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> home

> > > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> towels).

> > > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> our

> > > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines, shots,

> vitamin

> > > K

> > > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> etc.).

> > > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> diagnoses

> > > either

> > > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> diarrhea or

> > > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> typical baby

> > > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> nursing

> > > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all her

> letters.

> > > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> such as

> > > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> difference

> > > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses & donkeys

> & mules,

> > > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your uvula

> is (some

> > > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and the

> > > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so much

> of who

> > > she

> > > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune system

> has never

> > > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> contents.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> span of a

> > > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> mumps,

> > > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> *real*

> > > immunity

> > > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines. It

> is not

> > > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are just

> looking

> > > for

> > > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> they don't

> > > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids the

> > > guarantee,

> > > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> guarantee, and

> > > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> their

> > > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> and beyond

> > > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> they do get

> > > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO WAY*

> to

> > > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> giving them

> > > the

> > > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> and giving

> > > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> two. This

> > > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> to try to

> > > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> they

> > > threaten

> > > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> alert " authorities " ) and

> > > call in the media to play dirty.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> What is

> > > that

> > > about? Like I care what Garner or s think

> about

> > > the

> > > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot of

> money to

> > > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> take a

> > > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad

> over

> > > anyone

> > > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> getting the

> > > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> Hollywood!

> > > I

> > > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get the

> word

> > > out.

> > > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut is

> > > completely

> > > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> live by

> > > fear

> > > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I don't

> want her

> > > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are the

> ones who

> > > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> (varicella),

> > > etc.)!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> that new

> > > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not just

> the dr's

> > > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> tetanus,

> > > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have that

> happen

> > > to

> > > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> vaccines

> > > came

> > > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> now

> > > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> have to

> > > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> pharmaceuticals

> > > to

> > > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> diseases,

> > > like

> > > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them, and a

> handful

> > > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons of

> them

> > > die.

> > > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There is

> so much

> > > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books and

> > > websites,

> > > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to stop

> > > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my message,

> other

> > > than

> > > those that vax.)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> > > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > >

> > > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> > >

> > > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny), and

> the

> > > bantam

> > > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our rooster

> Flicka)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> > > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> dangers of

> > > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> > > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated children?

> > > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> some

> > > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > >

> > > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2 real-

> life

> > > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> you

> > > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

> > > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > > MC - 4/20/08

> > > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> baby.htm

> > > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

the thing i've noticed about vaxed kids (babies recently) are the

ones who refuse to look at you.

or look at anyone in the face in particular. this is when i start to

get worried.

> >>

> >> " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

> > and Daddy

> >> was there with towels). "

> >>

> >> I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully

successful

> >> unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

> > (mainly

> >> because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived

about

> > 20

> >> minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

> > way.

> >>

> >> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

> > child has

> >> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard

to

> > explain,

> >> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

whose

> > immune

> >> system has not been messed with.

> >>

> >> I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

> > scrutiny and

> >> the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are

there

> > folks on

> >> this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website

if

> > I put

> >> one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little

ones -

> > with or

> >> without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so

maybe

> > if those

> >> who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> >> work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

> > thousands

> >> of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to

ignore

> > as well

> >> as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

> >>

> >> Blessings,

> >> Deb.

> >>

> >> RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> >>

> >>

> >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> > home

> >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> > towels).

> >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> > our

> >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

shots,

> > vitamin

> >> > K

> >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> > etc.).

> >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > diagnoses

> >> > either

> >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> > diarrhea or

> >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > typical baby

> >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > nursing

> >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all

her

> > letters.

> >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> > such as

> >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> > difference

> >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

donkeys

> > & mules,

> >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

uvula

> > is (some

> >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and

the

> >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

much

> > of who

> >> > she

> >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

system

> > has never

> >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > contents.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> > span of a

> >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > mumps,

> >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > *real*

> >> > immunity

> >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines.

It

> > is not

> >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

just

> > looking

> >> > for

> >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> > they don't

> >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids

the

> >> > guarantee,

> >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > guarantee, and

> >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> > their

> >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> > and beyond

> >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> > they do get

> >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

WAY*

> > to

> >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > giving them

> >> > the

> >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> > and giving

> >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> > two. This

> >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> > to try to

> >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> > they

> >> > threaten

> >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > alert " authorities " ) and

> >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> > What is

> >> > that

> >> > about? Like I care what Garner or s

think

> > about

> >> > the

> >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot

of

> > money to

> >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > take a

> >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researching Mom or Dad

> > over

> >> > anyone

> >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> > getting the

> >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> > Hollywood!

> >> > I

> >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get

the

> > word

> >> > out.

> >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut

is

> >> > completely

> >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> > live by

> >> > fear

> >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

don't

> > want her

> >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are

the

> > ones who

> >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> > (varicella),

> >> > etc.)!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> > that new

> >> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not

just

> > the dr's

> >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > tetanus,

> >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have

that

> > happen

> >> > to

> >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> > vaccines

> >> > came

> >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> > now

> >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> > have to

> >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > pharmaceuticals

> >> > to

> >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> > diseases,

> >> > like

> >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them,

and a

> > handful

> >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons

of

> > them

> >> > die.

> >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There

is

> > so much

> >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books

and

> >> > websites,

> >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to

stop

> >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

message,

> > other

> >> > than

> >> > those that vax.)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kim

> >> >

> >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> >> >

> >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> >> >

> >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny),

and

> > the

> >> > bantam

> >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

rooster

> > Flicka)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> >> > Jim

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> > dangers of

> >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> >> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

children?

> >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> > some

> >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> >> >

> >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2

real-

> > life

> >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> > you

> >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; ,

born

> >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> >> > MC - 4/20/08

> >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> > baby.htm

> >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >