Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

[Guest guest]

At 09:08 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:

>I kind of agree with you guys. My 15 month old son is nicknamed The

>Destroyer and The Tornado, he is so active and naughty and has been

>for so long. My friend's baby, 10 months and completely vaxed cause

>both grandparents are pediatricians, still gets carried around in

>her baby car seat and always has her eyes wide open, but with a sort

>of blank stare. I think this is what you guys are talking about.

Again, this will NOT happen with every child as some children are

very strong and able to ward off extreme vaccine injury, at least when infants.

It always depends on the person.

But I know the look that is described. But not every child who is

vaccinated will have that. But I see more and more of it. I'm sure

its part of injury to the brain.

Sheri

listowner

[Guest guest]

My daughter doesn't look at me in the face when I hold her. She will look at my

face when I am at a distance from her. I was really worried about this in the

beginning. She is completely unvaxed, so what else could cause babies to do

this?

From: Nada <mnmuslimahsgroup@...>

Subject: Re: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

Vaccinations

Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:04 AM

the thing i've noticed about vaxed kids (babies recently) are the

ones who refuse to look at you.

or look at anyone in the face in particular. this is when i start to

get worried.

> >>

> >> " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

> > and Daddy

> >> was there with towels). "

> >>

> >> I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully

successful

> >> unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

> > (mainly

> >> because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived

about

> > 20

> >> minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

> > way.

> >>

> >> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

> > child has

> >> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard

to

> > explain,

> >> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

whose

> > immune

> >> system has not been messed with.

> >>

> >> I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

> > scrutiny and

> >> the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are

there

> > folks on

> >> this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website

if

> > I put

> >> one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little

ones -

> > with or

> >> without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so

maybe

> > if those

> >> who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> >> work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

> > thousands

> >> of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to

ignore

> > as well

> >> as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

> >>

> >> Blessings,

> >> Deb.

> >>

> >> RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> >>

> >>

> >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> > home

> >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> > towels).

> >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> > our

> >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

shots,

> > vitamin

> >> > K

> >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> > etc.).

> >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > diagnoses

> >> > either

> >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> > diarrhea or

> >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > typical baby

> >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > nursing

> >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all

her

> > letters.

> >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> > such as

> >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> > difference

> >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

donkeys

> > & mules,

> >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

uvula

> > is (some

> >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and

the

> >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

much

> > of who

> >> > she

> >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

system

> > has never

> >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > contents.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> > span of a

> >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > mumps,

> >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > *real*

> >> > immunity

> >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines.

It

> > is not

> >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

just

> > looking

> >> > for

> >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> > they don't

> >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids

the

> >> > guarantee,

> >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > guarantee, and

> >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> > their

> >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> > and beyond

> >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> > they do get

> >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

WAY*

> > to

> >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > giving them

> >> > the

> >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> > and giving

> >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> > two. This

> >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> > to try to

> >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> > they

> >> > threaten

> >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > alert " authorities " ) and

> >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> > What is

> >> > that

> >> > about? Like I care what Garner or s

think

> > about

> >> > the

> >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot

of

> > money to

> >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > take a

> >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom or Dad

> > over

> >> > anyone

> >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> > getting the

> >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> > Hollywood!

> >> > I

> >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get

the

> > word

> >> > out.

> >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut

is

> >> > completely

> >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> > live by

> >> > fear

> >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

don't

> > want her

> >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are

the

> > ones who

> >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> > (varicella),

> >> > etc.)!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> > that new

> >> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not

just

> > the dr's

> >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > tetanus,

> >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have

that

> > happen

> >> > to

> >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> > vaccines

> >> > came

> >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> > now

> >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> > have to

> >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > pharmaceuticals

> >> > to

> >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> > diseases,

> >> > like

> >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them,

and a

> > handful

> >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons

of

> > them

> >> > die.

> >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There

is

> > so much

> >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books

and

> >> > websites,

> >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to

stop

> >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

message,

> > other

> >> > than

> >> > those that vax.)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kim

> >> >

> >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> >> >

> >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> >> >

> >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny),

and

> > the

> >> > bantam

> >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

rooster

> > Flicka)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> >> > Jim

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> > dangers of

> >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> >> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

children?

> >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> > some

> >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> >> >

> >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2

real-

> > life

> >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> > you

> >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; ,

born

> >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> >> > MC - 4/20/08

> >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> > baby.htm

> >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

I noticed this with my second son when he was younger. It worried me too. He

is

completely unvaxed as well. He's older now and he will look at me more but

still at times

he won't. But at those times it seems he's just really interested in checking

out his

surroundings. He will look at me when I nurse him though. But for a time I

really

wondered. Still do but not nearly as much.

> > >>

> > >> " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit,

> > > and Daddy

> > >> was there with towels). "

> > >>

> > >> I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully

> successful

> > >> unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's birth

> > > (mainly

> > >> because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived

> about

> > > 20

> > >> minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all the

> > > way.

> > >>

> > >> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell if a

> > > child has

> > >> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit hard

> to

> > > explain,

> > >> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

> whose

> > > immune

> > >> system has not been messed with.

> > >>

> > >> I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones from

> > > scrutiny and

> > >> the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are

> there

> > > folks on

> > >> this list who would be willing to add their stories to a website

> if

> > > I put

> > >> one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little

> ones -

> > > with or

> > >> without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so

> maybe

> > > if those

> > >> who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> > >> work together to create something. I'd love to have a site with

> > > thousands

> > >> of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to

> ignore

> > > as well

> > >> as be a place for new parents starting down the path of research.

> > >>

> > >> Blessings,

> > >> Deb.

> > >>

> > >> RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> > > home

> > >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> > > towels).

> > >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> > > our

> > >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

> shots,

> > > vitamin

> > >> > K

> > >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> > > etc.).

> > >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > > diagnoses

> > >> > either

> > >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> > > diarrhea or

> > >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > > typical baby

> > >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > > nursing

> > >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all

> her

> > > letters.

> > >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> > > such as

> > >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> > > difference

> > >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

> donkeys

> > > & mules,

> > >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

> uvula

> > > is (some

> > >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and

> the

> > >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

> much

> > > of who

> > >> > she

> > >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

> system

> > > has never

> > >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > > contents.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> > > span of a

> > >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > > mumps,

> > >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > > *real*

> > >> > immunity

> > >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines.

> It

> > > is not

> > >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

> just

> > > looking

> > >> > for

> > >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> > > they don't

> > >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids

> the

> > >> > guarantee,

> > >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > > guarantee, and

> > >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> > > their

> > >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> > > and beyond

> > >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> > > they do get

> > >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

> WAY*

> > > to

> > >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > > giving them

> > >> > the

> > >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> > > and giving

> > >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> > > two. This

> > >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> > > to try to

> > >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> > > they

> > >> > threaten

> > >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > > alert " authorities " ) and

> > >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> > > What is

> > >> > that

> > >> > about? Like I care what Garner or s

> think

> > > about

> > >> > the

> > >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot

> of

> > > money to

> > >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > > take a

> > >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom or Dad

> > > over

> > >> > anyone

> > >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> > > getting the

> > >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> > > Hollywood!

> > >> > I

> > >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get

> the

> > > word

> > >> > out.

> > >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut

> is

> > >> > completely

> > >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> > > live by

> > >> > fear

> > >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

> don't

> > > want her

> > >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are

> the

> > > ones who

> > >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> > > (varicella),

> > >> > etc.)!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> > > that new

> > >> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not

> just

> > > the dr's

> > >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > > tetanus,

> > >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have

> that

> > > happen

> > >> > to

> > >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> > > vaccines

> > >> > came

> > >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> > > now

> > >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> > > have to

> > >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > > pharmaceuticals

> > >> > to

> > >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> > > diseases,

> > >> > like

> > >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them,

> and a

> > > handful

> > >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons

> of

> > > them

> > >> > die.

> > >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There

> is

> > > so much

> > >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books

> and

> > >> > websites,

> > >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to

> stop

> > >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

> message,

> > > other

> > >> > than

> > >> > those that vax.)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Kim

> > >> >

> > >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > >> >

> > >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> > >> >

> > >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny),

> and

> > > the

> > >> > bantam

> > >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

> rooster

> > > Flicka)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> > >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > >> > Jim

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> > > dangers of

> > >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> > >> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

> children?

> > >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> > > some

> > >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > >> >

> > >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2

> real-

> > > life

> > >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> > > you

> > >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; ,

> born

> > >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > >> > MC - 4/20/08

> > >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> > > baby.htm

> > >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

do you think she could need glasses?

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born at

> > > home

> > >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there with

> > > towels).

> > >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other than

> > > our

> > >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

> shots,

> > > vitamin

> > >> > K

> > >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g., PKU,

> > > etc.).

> > >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > > diagnoses

> > >> > either

> > >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> > > diarrhea or

> > >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > > typical baby

> > >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > > nursing

> > >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows all

> her

> > > letters.

> > >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific animals,

> > > such as

> > >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows the

> > > difference

> > >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

> donkeys

> > > & mules,

> > >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

> uvula

> > > is (some

> > >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system and

> the

> > >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

> much

> > > of who

> > >> > she

> > >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

> system

> > > has never

> > >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > > contents.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average time

> > > span of a

> > >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > > mumps,

> > >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > > *real*

> > >> > immunity

> > >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in vaccines.

> It

> > > is not

> > >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

> just

> > > looking

> > >> > for

> > >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your mattress -

> > > they don't

> > >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips voids

> the

> > >> > guarantee,

> > >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > > guarantee, and

> > >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> > > their

> > >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as above

> > > and beyond

> > >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but, if

> > > they do get

> > >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

> WAY*

> > > to

> > >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > > giving them

> > >> > the

> > >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate reality

> > > and giving

> > >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing the

> > > two. This

> > >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and phrases

> > > to try to

> > >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> > > they

> > >> > threaten

> > >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > > alert " authorities " ) and

> > >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> > > What is

> > >> > that

> > >> > about? Like I care what Garner or s

> think

> > > about

> > >> > the

> > >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a lot

> of

> > > money to

> > >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > > take a

> > >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom or Dad

> > > over

> > >> > anyone

> > >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy is

> > > getting the

> > >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn to

> > > Hollywood!

> > >> > I

> > >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to get

> the

> > > word

> > >> > out.

> > >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that Peanut

> is

> > >> > completely

> > >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that. They

> > > live by

> > >> > fear

> > >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

> don't

> > > want her

> > >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones are

> the

> > > ones who

> > >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> > > (varicella),

> > >> > etc.)!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so glad

> > > that new

> > >> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth, not

> just

> > > the dr's

> > >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > > tetanus,

> > >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to have

> that

> > > happen

> > >> > to

> > >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before the

> > > vaccines

> > >> > came

> > >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they have

> > > now

> > >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so they

> > > have to

> > >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > > pharmaceuticals

> > >> > to

> > >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> > > diseases,

> > >> > like

> > >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them,

> and a

> > > handful

> > >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and tons

> of

> > > them

> > >> > die.

> > >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so! There

> is

> > > so much

> > >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some books

> and

> > >> > websites,

> > >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision to

> stop

> > >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

> message,

> > > other

> > >> > than

> > >> > those that vax.)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Kim

> > >> >

> > >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > >> >

> > >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-04)

> > >> >

> > >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop bunny),

> and

> > > the

> > >> > bantam

> > >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

> rooster

> > > Flicka)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of those

> > >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > >> > Jim

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about the

> > > dangers of

> > >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that provide

> > >> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

> children?

> > >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of doubt

> > > some

> > >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > >> >

> > >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2

> real-

> > > life

> > >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1. What do

> > > you

> > >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; ,

> born

> > >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > >> > MC - 4/20/08

> > >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -haven.com/

> > > baby.htm

> > >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

My son was also vaxxed through the six month shots including a flu shot. He just

turned 2, he's been sick once (99 fever and stuffed nose for about a day), he's

incredibly smart, alert, active, etc. My daughter is almost a year, no vaxxes. I

see no difference in the children. I am incredibly thankful for that every day.

 

 

Marie Quisenberry

leesamarie2828@...

[Guest guest]

Many parents also are very casual about the effects of feeding their children

junk--dyes, artificial sweeteners, etc. I'm sure this adds to " the look. " I

notice that especially younger children many times look so pale, circles under

their eyes, tired, whiny. It's awful.

I don't remember me or my friends like that when I was young. My perspective was

different but I do have pictures and we looked pretty normal.

Winnie

Re: Re: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

Vaccinations

> It is unfortunate that the original post about the look in the

> eyes of

> vaccinated children bothers you so. I am sure that it was not

> meant to try to

> make anyone feel bad. It is just an observation and I urge you

> not to take it

> personally. Now, if it has stirred up feelings within you

> because you chose

> to vaccinate before you knew better, then so be it but it is

> unfair to pin

> those feelings on someone who has made an observation.

> Certainly, this look does

> not apply to all vaccinated children.

>

> I am a mother of 5, My first 3 ages 18-23 are totally vaccine

> free as is my

> now 3 year old, and when they were little people would comment

> on their

> vibrance!

> Now my 4th daughter did get an entire round of vaccines without

> my knowledge

> at 3 years old when she had visitation with my then estranged

> husband. He

> did it to hurt though he hurt his daughter in the process. She

> had such a

> look in her eyes but it was more of an uptight intensity about

> everything around

> her, Kind of wild eye look. She also became more aggressive

> and easily

> agitated. Because she was 3, the personality changes in her

> were very obvious

> to me and others.

>

> My point here is, that I do not feel attacked because someone

> made an

> observation about a look in the eyes. I see it all around me

> too and sometimes

> when I am out shopping and I see a little one riding in the

> cart or in the

> stroller and very lethargic and seemingly miserable, I do wonder

> what role their

> vaccines play into it and I mostly just feel sad for the little

> ones and for

> the parents who really do try to do the best thing for their

> babies. I feel

> anger towards the professionals who push the vaccines and

> convince parents of

> their necessity. It just breaks my heart.

>

> So, please don't be offended. I know the mothers on this list

> have meant

> you no harm. If it angers you, then maybe your anger ought to

> be directed at

> those who convinced you to vaccinate before you knew the truth

> about

> vaccines.. Ya know??

> Mavis

>

>

>

> A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of

> nature, and

> not as the gift of their chief magistrate.

> Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774

>

>

> _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _

> (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm)

>

> _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_

> (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html)

>

> _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _

> (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm)

>

>

> _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_

> (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm)

>

> _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_

> (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_

> (http://909shot.com/)

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/16/2008 7:30:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>

> cshumac17@... writes:

>

> I have to agree here. I partially vaxed my 3 year old on a delayed

> schedule and then made the decision to quit altogether just

> before my

> 13 month old was born. I do not see a diffrent look in their eyes

> even if I am purposely looking for it. I do remember immediately

> after the shots and for about a week or so my son would have a

> different look about him, but it didn't last. I feel quilty enough

> about what I did to my son I don't need any one else making me

> feel bad.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Debbie, what is this " look in their eyes " that you are

> speaking of?

> > Let me remind you of something, unfortunately not all of us

> on this

> > list learned of the poisons that vaccines are in time and

> went ahead

> > and had are children/child vaccinated. I am certainly one of

> them and

> > in no way proud of that fact. I hear that a lot on this list

> that

> > some of you can just tell.....my daughter was vaccinated up

> until 12

> > months old and let me tell you, she has NO certain look in

> her eyes

> > other than pure innocence and curiousity. My daughter is also

> 100%

> > ALERT!!! In fact, too alert if you ask me. So with that being

> said

> > please don't sterotype the ones who have been vaxxed. It's

> hard

> > enough having to deal with the fact that I let " them " inject

> her with

> > posions and than hear of people like you say you can

> accurately

> > pinpoint vaccinated children like you are some gifted

> > psychic..... ps

> >

> > Rina

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think most newborns do this for a long time, something with the

eyesight.

> > >>

> > >> " and she was born at home unassisted (except by the Holy

Spirit,

> > > and Daddy

> > >> was there with towels). "

> > >>

> > >> I love it! It's so amazing to hear of more wonderfully

> successful

> > >> unassisted births! We intended to have a midwife for dd's

birth

> > > (mainly

> > >> because her daddy was very nervous), but the midwife arrived

> about

> > > 20

> > >> minutes after our daughter. Our next will be unassisted all

the

> > > way.

> > >>

> > >> I've gotten to the point where I can fairly accurately tell

if a

> > > child has

> > >> been vaccinated just by the look in their eyes. It's a bit

hard

> to

> > > explain,

> > >> but there just something very much more " alert " about a child

> whose

> > > immune

> > >> system has not been messed with.

> > >>

> > >> I completely understand the desire to protect our wee ones

from

> > > scrutiny and

> > >> the chance of being ostracized from those who vaccinate. Are

> there

> > > folks on

> > >> this list who would be willing to add their stories to a

website

> if

> > > I put

> > >> one together? Perhaps changing names to protect the little

> ones -

> > > with or

> > >> without pictures? I don't want to get too off topic here, so

> maybe

> > > if those

> > >> who would be interested would e-mail off list ( Deb@) , we can

> > >> work together to create something. I'd love to have a site

with

> > > thousands

> > >> of success stories!!! It would be really hard for people to

> ignore

> > > as well

> > >> as be a place for new parents starting down the path of

research.

> > >>

> > >> Blessings,

> > >> Deb.

> > >>

> > >> RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was born

at

> > > home

> > >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was there

with

> > > towels).

> > >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners other

than

> > > our

> > >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood vaccines,

> shots,

> > > vitamin

> > >> > K

> > >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind (e.g.,

PKU,

> > > etc.).

> > >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > > diagnoses

> > >> > either

> > >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no

excessive

> > > diarrhea or

> > >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > > typical baby

> > >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > > nursing

> > >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She knows

all

> her

> > > letters.

> > >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific

animals,

> > > such as

> > >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She knows

the

> > > difference

> > >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses &

> donkeys

> > > & mules,

> > >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what your

> uvula

> > > is (some

> > >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive system

and

> the

> > >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute so

> much

> > > of who

> > >> > she

> > >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her immune

> system

> > > has never

> > >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > > contents.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the average

time

> > > span of a

> > >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > > mumps,

> > >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > > *real*

> > >> > immunity

> > >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in

vaccines.

> It

> > > is not

> > >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people are

> just

> > > looking

> > >> > for

> > >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your

mattress -

> > > they don't

> > >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips

voids

> the

> > >> > guarantee,

> > >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > > guarantee, and

> > >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it is in

> > > their

> > >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything as

above

> > > and beyond

> > >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%, but,

if

> > > they do get

> > >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is *NO

> WAY*

> > > to

> > >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > > giving them

> > >> > the

> > >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate

reality

> > > and giving

> > >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and comparing

the

> > > two. This

> > >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and

phrases

> > > to try to

> > >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't

work,

> > > they

> > >> > threaten

> > >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > > alert " authorities " ) and

> > >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help

them?

> > > What is

> > >> > that

> > >> > about? Like I care what Garner or s

> think

> > > about

> > >> > the

> > >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid a

lot

> of

> > > money to

> > >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > > take a

> > >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g Mom

or Dad

> > > over

> > >> > anyone

> > >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that McCarthy

is

> > > getting the

> > >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and turn

to

> > > Hollywood!

> > >> > I

> > >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas, to

get

> the

> > > word

> > >> > out.

> > >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that

Peanut

> is

> > >> > completely

> > >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear that.

They

> > > live by

> > >> > fear

> > >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her, and I

> don't

> > > want her

> > >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous ones

are

> the

> > > ones who

> > >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR, chicken pox

> > > (varicella),

> > >> > etc.)!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am so

glad

> > > that new

> > >> > people are here questioning and searching for the truth,

not

> just

> > > the dr's

> > >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > > tetanus,

> > >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to

have

> that

> > > happen

> > >> > to

> > >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long before

the

> > > vaccines

> > >> > came

> > >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because they

have

> > > now

> > >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on, so

they

> > > have to

> > >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > > pharmaceuticals

> > >> > to

> > >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics on the

> > > diseases,

> > >> > like

> > >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get them,

> and a

> > > handful

> > >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer, and

tons

> of

> > > them

> > >> > die.

> > >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so!

There

> is

> > > so much

> > >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some

books

> and

> > >> > websites,

> > >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your decision

to

> stop

> > >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

> message,

> > > other

> > >> > than

> > >> > those that vax.)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Kim

> > >> >

> > >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > >> >

> > >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted, 10-11-

04)

> > >> >

> > >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop

bunny),

> and

> > > the

> > >> > bantam

> > >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and our

> rooster

> > > Flicka)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any of

those

> > >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > >> > Jim

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > <<This list and others provide a ton of information about

the

> > > dangers of

> > >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that

provide

> > >> > real-life stories about raising completely unvaccinated

> children?

> > >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments of

doubt

> > > some

> > >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > >> >

> > >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I have 2

> real-

> > > life

> > >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1.

What do

> > > you

> > >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; ,

> born

> > >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > >> > MC - 4/20/08

> > >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -

haven.com/

> > > baby.htm

> > >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

I'm really glad someone brought this up, my first baby also would not look at

me, not even while nursing. If she would have been vaxxed, I would have

definitely had a heart attack and thought that was it.. she is now 6 years old

and completely normal, I have no idea why she was like that as an infant. I've

since had two more children (also completely unvaxxed) and neither of them were

like that. She was also the only one that was colic, I don't know if it might

be related.

~ & Co.

http://www.PazRana.com/

http://www.MoonPye.org/

I noticed this with my second son when he was younger. It worried me too. He is

completely unvaxed as well. He's older now and he will look at me more but still

at times

he won't. But at those times it seems he's just really interested in checking

out his

surroundings. He will look at me when I nurse him though. But for a time I

really

wondered. Still do but not nearly as much.

>

> My daughter doesn't look at me in the face when I hold her. She will look at

my face

when I am at a distance from her. I was really worried about this in the

beginning. She is

completely unvaxed, so what else could cause babies to do this?

[Guest guest]

My second son was the same way. Maybe it's a second child syndrome. We're so

busy that one child doesn't get the same undivided attention as the first. Who

knows?

And he was a little goofy, had some learning problems. Turns out he was a great

listener but I always thought he wasn't paying attention because he was looking

elsewhere, kind of in his own world. Now he's 16 and a good student, great

musician and friend to all.

Winnie

RE: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> > And my Peanut is going to be 4 in October, and she was

> born at

> > > > home

> > > >> > unassisted (except by the Holy Spirit, and Daddy was

> there with

> > > > towels).

> > > >> > She has never been seen by any medical practitioners

> other than

> > > > our

> > > >> > chiropractor and our dentist!

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > She has never had ANY of the " typical " childhood

> vaccines,

> > shots,

> > > > vitamin

> > > >> > K

> > > >> > and eye goop at birth, no blood testing of any kind

> (e.g., PKU,

> > > > etc.).

> > > >> > Likewise, she has never had any of the " typical " childhood

> > > > diagnoses

> > > >> > either

> > > >> > - no ear infections, no flu, no colic, no croup, no excessive

> > > > diarrhea or

> > > >> > vomiting (she has puked twice in her whole life, other than

> > > > typical baby

> > > >> > spit-up). We do co-sleeping and extended breastfeeding (our

> > > > nursing

> > > >> > relationship is winding down and almost done). She

> knows all

> > her

> > > > letters.

> > > >> > She knows several hundred different animals (specific

> animals,> > > such as

> > > >> > golden lion tamarin, instead of just " monkey " ). She

> knows the

> > > > difference

> > > >> > between wallabies & kangaroos, alpacas & llamas, horses

> &

> > donkeys

> > > > & mules,

> > > >> > apes & monkeys, etc. She knows where to find and what

> your

> > uvula

> > > > is (some

> > > >> > adults don't). She is learning about the digestive

> system and

> > the

> > > >> > circulatory system. She loves to learn, and I attribute

> so

> > much

> > > > of who

> > > >> > she

> > > >> > is and what she is capable of to the fact that her

> immune

> > system

> > > > has never

> > > >> > been compromised by vaccines and all their toxic (poisonous)

> > > > contents.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > When she does get sick, she is well WAY before the

> average time

> > > > span of a

> > > >> > particular illness. I am actually going to look for measles,

> > > > mumps,

> > > >> > rubella, and chicken pox. I want her to be able to pass on

> > > > *real*

> > > >> > immunity

> > > >> > to her children one day, not the contrived form in

> vaccines.

> > It

> > > > is not

> > > >> > immunity; it is a false sense of security. Most people

> are

> > just

> > > > looking

> > > >> > for

> > > >> > a " guarantee " - like the 12 month guarantee on your

> mattress -

> > > > they don't

> > > >> > tell you that any stains voids the guarantee, any rips

> voids

> > the

> > > >> > guarantee,

> > > >> > anything above and beyond " normal " wear and tear voids the

> > > > guarantee, and

> > > >> > who defines " normal " ? You guessed it! They do, and it

> is in

> > > > their

> > > >> > financial interest to classify anything and everything

> as above

> > > > and beyond

> > > >> > " normal " . Just like the dr's who say, " it isn't 100%,

> but, if

> > > > they do get

> > > >> > the disease, it will be a milder form of it. " There is

> *NO

> > WAY*

> > > > to

> > > >> > scientifically back that up, without going back in time and

> > > > giving them

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > disease while unvaxed and then going into an alternate

> reality> > > and giving

> > > >> > the same people the disease after being vaxed and

> comparing the

> > > > two. This

> > > >> > is not possible! They have just come up with words and

> phrases> > > to try to

> > > >> > placate parents into submission, and, when that doesn't work,

> > > > they

> > > >> > threaten

> > > >> > (to kick you out of their medical practice or to

> > > > alert " authorities " ) and

> > > >> > call in the media to play dirty.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Ever notice how many " celebrities " they call in to help them?

> > > > What is

> > > >> > that

> > > >> > about? Like I care what Garner or

> s

> > think

> > > > about

> > > >> > the

> > > >> > scientific evidence regarding vaccines?!? They are paid

> a lot

> > of

> > > > money to

> > > >> > memorize lines and pretend to be people they are not! I will

> > > > take a

> > > >> > well-intentioned, hard-working, internet-researchin g

> Mom or Dad

> > > > over

> > > >> > anyone

> > > >> > in Hollywood any day!!! Yes, I am glad that

> McCarthy is

> > > > getting the

> > > >> > word out, but I don't want to play by their rules and

> turn to

> > > > Hollywood!

> > > >> > I

> > > >> > want you and me, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas,

> to get

> > the

> > > > word

> > > >> > out.

> > > >> > I am just as guilty about not publicizing the fact that

> Peanut

> > is

> > > >> > completely

> > > >> > unvaxed, because most people are not ready to hear

> that. They

> > > > live by

> > > >> > fear

> > > >> > and would just want to keep their kids away from her,

> and I

> > don't

> > > > want her

> > > >> > to suffer when the truth is that the only dangerous

> ones are

> > the

> > > > ones who

> > > >> > have been recently vaxed with live viruses (MMR,

> chicken pox

> > > > (varicella),

> > > >> > etc.)!

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Enough ranting; I am stepping off my soapbox now. I am

> so glad

> > > > that new

> > > >> > people are here questioning and searching for the

> truth, not

> > just

> > > > the dr's

> > > >> > line, " I saw a child with (fill in disease here - pertussis,

> > > > tetanus,

> > > >> > measles, etc.) in medical school, and you don't want to

> have

> > that

> > > > happen

> > > >> > to

> > > >> > your child. " The diseases were all in decline long

> before the

> > > > vaccines

> > > >> > came

> > > >> > out. They often create the fear of a disease because

> they have

> > > > now

> > > >> > developed a shot that they can make a lot of money on,

> so they

> > > > have to

> > > >> > create a demand. The government makes too much money off

> > > > pharmaceuticals

> > > >> > to

> > > >> > not play along, so they do. If you look at statistics

> on the

> > > > diseases,

> > > >> > like

> > > >> > measles, millions upon millions of people used to get

> them,

> > and a

> > > > handful

> > > >> > would die. Today, millions upon millions get cancer,

> and tons

> > of

> > > > them

> > > >> > die.

> > > >> > Is this a good trade we have made?!? I don't think so!

> There

> > is

> > > > so much

> > > >> > info out there; just be diligent about study, read some

> books

> > and

> > > >> > websites,

> > > >> > and you will come to feel very confident in your

> decision to

> > stop

> > > >> > vaccinating. (I sincerely hope no one is offended by my

> > message,

> > > > other

> > > >> > than

> > > >> > those that vax.)

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Kim

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Wife to Port (12-19-01)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Happy Mama to Peanut (born safely at home unassisted,

> 10-11-04)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > " Mama " to Cory (shepherd mix girl), Godiva (mini Lop

> bunny),

> > and

> > > > the

> > > >> > bantam

> > > >> > chickens (Spirit, Girlfriend, Mama Horsey, Rain, and

> our

> > rooster

> > > > Flicka)

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > My son and 4 grandchildren have never seen a needle.

> > > >> > Plus 40 million including myself grew up with out any

> of those

> > > >> > vaccines with the possible exception of small-pox.

> > > >> > Jim

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > <> about the

> > > > dangers of

> > > >> > vaccination, but are there any websites or sources that

> provide> > >> > real-life stories about raising completely

> unvaccinated

> > children?

> > > >> > Something that would give those of us who have moments

> of doubt

> > > > some

> > > >> > inspiration to stick to what we know is right?>>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I

> have 2

> > real-

> > > > life

> > > >> > vaccine free kids, one of them is 8 and the other is 1.

> What do

> > > > you

> > > >> > need reassurance on? How can I help you? :-)

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > )0(~~~)0(~~~ )0(

> > > >> > Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01;

> ,

> > born

> > > >> > 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

> > > >> > MC - 4/20/08

> > > >> > Read Thalea's birth story here: http://www.jessicas -

> haven.com/> > > baby.htm

> > > >> > Vaccine free since 1999.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

If she was the only one with colic, that could be it. Some discomfort kept her

from feeling snuggly when held.

Winnie

Re: Real-Life Vaccine free kids?

Vaccinations

> I'm really glad someone brought this up, my first baby also

> would not look at me, not even while nursing. If she would have

> been vaxxed, I would have definitely had a heart attack and

> thought that was it.. she is now 6 years old and completely

> normal, I have no idea why she was like that as an infant. I've

> since had two more children (also completely unvaxxed) and

> neither of them were like that. She was also the only one that

> was colic, I don't know if it might be related.

>

>

>

> ~ & Co.

> http://www.PazRana.com/

> http://www.MoonPye.org/

>

> I noticed this with my second son when he was younger. It

> worried me too. He is

> completely unvaxed as well. He's older now and he will look at

> me more but still at times

> he won't. But at those times it seems he's just really

> interested in checking out his

> surroundings. He will look at me when I nurse him though. But

> for a time I really

> wondered. Still do but not nearly as much.

>

>

> >

> > My daughter doesn't look at me in the face when I hold her.

> She will look at my face

> when I am at a distance from her. I was really worried about

> this in the beginning. She is

> completely unvaxed, so what else could cause babies to do this?

>

>

>

>

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