Re: hello checking in

[Guest guest]

Don't beat yourself up about this stuff, and don't have liposuction

esp right now when your still ill. that is insance, promise not to

put your poor body through anyore. It has not been long enough for

you to feel much better, MOST OF US TOOK AT LEAST A YEAR, those like

me who are fine again. It takes time. Some get better right away only

to relapse again. Dr Feng told me on average it takes a year or even

two. In the meantime, if your super unhappy with your fat areas, be

they large or small, you can tone up and slim down while your

healing, it is a great way to feel sexy again. Did you see all my

photos? They are on the site, i got myself into the best shape of my

life after explant, got my body fat really low and now am dieting and

down to 119 again, and trying for 115 by the get together. I am a

size 2 or 3 these days and love being petite and firm, with small

breasts. I wear little add a size enhancers in a pocket bra, they are

sweet, they make me a full B cup and it fits my body perfect. I get

tons of compliments and well, have a great sex life also. I have

confidence and health, and you can too so hang in there, don't let

this tear you apart inside.

Try not to binge eat, I know it is easy to do I have been there too,

but in the end that will not help your health, neither will taking

meds like phentermine. To lose weight you need to exercise 1st and

foremost and then eat right too. IT WORKS. You can do it and you will

get better at the same time. Working out is extremely healing. It

seems so hard at first but trust me you will feel better if you give

it a shot.I am getting up in 6 hours to work out before work, I am

so dedicated to my working out and hated the gym atmosphere so I got

a bunch of cool stuff (bowflex, spinning bike, eliptical machine) for

home use and LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

I use them allot and it helps me SO SO SO much.

You can get better, 3 months is too soon, but not too soon to start a

fitness program.

I can be your onine coach/buddy if you want one.

Email me if you like and want someone to vent to one one

idagirl@....

Hugs

In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> Hey saline support,

>

> wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

some

> encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

> know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

complaining.

> I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

tried

> taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

sick.

> Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

>

> I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

excercise.

> I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

just

> sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

feel

> alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

> can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

what

> I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

> all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

for

> whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

> my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for

my

> legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body.

>

> I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> something for a boost.

>

> I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

> is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

>

> I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying

a

> better bra.

>

> wish everyone well,

> Deb

[Guest guest]

Hey Deb, I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I went through the same

thing. I'm about 4 1/2 months post explant. I'm just now starting

to feel a little better. I cut out the sugar from my diet and I'm

taking some supplements as well as riding a stationary bike 4 days a

week. I'm not working though and I know that can be really stressful

and hard to do good things for yourself when you're so tired. I'm

hoping to be able to go back to work in the fall. I hope you start

feeling better.

Pam

--- In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> Hey saline support,

>

> wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

some

> encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

> know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

complaining.

> I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

tried

> taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

sick.

> Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

>

> I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

excercise.

> I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

just

> sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

feel

> alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

> can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

what

> I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

> all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

for

> whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

> my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for

my

> legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body.

>

> I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> something for a boost.

>

> I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

> is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

>

> I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying

a

> better bra.

>

> wish everyone well,

> Deb

[Guest guest]

Hey Deb,

I am sorry that you are not feeling well, but just be glad you got

those things out of your body. They definately did not belong.

In regards to phentermine, I was the phentermine (and other boosters)

queen for a long time and I can tell you that they are not worth it.

They can give you a heart attack, especially if you are already sick

don't do it. Your body does not need the extra load on your heart,

it is already working overtime because of the exhaustion. Besides,

they only work for a short time and then your body adjusts to them

and your metabolism will be worse off than it was in the first

place. I have been on every diet and every diet drug multiple times

and I can only recommend a low sugar low simple carb diet and also

hypnosis really worked for me. I also work 10 hours a day and two

hours on the freeway so I have no energy for working out. I used to

be the workout queen! Now I concentrate on my days off for working

out. I walk for just 30 minutes on my days off. It is not much, but

every little bit helps your mind and body to get healthy.

I hope you feel better,

Ann

-- In , " Pam " <nannapam3103@y...> wrote:

> Hey Deb, I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I went through the same

> thing. I'm about 4 1/2 months post explant. I'm just now starting

> to feel a little better. I cut out the sugar from my diet and I'm

> taking some supplements as well as riding a stationary bike 4 days

a

> week. I'm not working though and I know that can be really

stressful

> and hard to do good things for yourself when you're so tired. I'm

> hoping to be able to go back to work in the fall. I hope you start

> feeling better.

>

> Pam

>

>

> > Hey saline support,

> >

> > wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

> some

> > encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> > better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> > constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain.

I

> > know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

> complaining.

> > I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

> tried

> > taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

> sick.

> > Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

> >

> > I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

> excercise.

> > I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

> just

> > sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

> feel

> > alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems.

I

> > can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

> what

> > I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> > site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after

working

> > all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

> for

> > whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud

over

> > my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad

for

> my

> > legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> > body.

> >

> > I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> > something for a boost.

> >

> > I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for

you.

> > is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

> >

> > I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about

trying

> a

> > better bra.

> >

> > wish everyone well,

> > Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb...PLEASE DON'T TAKE PHENTERMINE. IT IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT, IT IS A DRUG!

I gained 50 pounds over the years that I was sick. Since my explant (8 months ago,) I've lost 30 pounds. I had to quit eating sugar and concentrate on adding lots of vegetables and fruit to my daily diet. This was hard for me because I am a HUGE emotional eater and I have a terrible sweet tooth. It took me a while, but I finally made a commitment to myself to eat better and not only have I lost weight, but I feel better. I find that the fatigue, which was one of my most debilitating symptoms, has gotten much better over the past few months. I still have joint pain, which is worse when it rains or I get cold, so I have a heating pad by my bed and I take hot epsom salt baths every night, which help a lot. I don't take anything other than a multi-vitamin and Primal Defense. I have milk thistle drops that I put in my fruit smoothies also. I can't keep up with (or afford) all the herbs and supplements that are recommended.

I know what you mean about the situation with your friends. I lost all of my friends when I got sick except for one...ironically, a man. He was the only one outside of my family who stuck by me. I am 25 and it is so hard to know that people who I used to be friends with and other people around my age are out living it up. The thing that keeps me going is the thought that this happened to me for a reason. I learned so much and it taught me that I want to do whatever I can to help inform other women about the risks of implants so they can have the power of making an informed choice...if I can help keep women from going through all the suffering my family and I went through with this illness, I won't feel like all this time was lost and that my life, even if I never get any better than I am now, will not go to waste.

I have struggled with depression throughout my illness, so I know how it feels to be " down. " It will get easier. I haven't found anyone in my life that I can relate my experience with this illness to either...so this site has been a life saver for me. You don't ever have to feel alone, because you aren't...we're all here and we know what you are going through! Take care. Colleen

From: " debsings04 " <debsings04@...>

Reply-

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 03:10:51 -0000

Subject: hello checking in

Hey saline support,

wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need some

encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like complaining.

I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I tried

taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me sick.

Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to excercise.

I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm just

sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I feel

alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough what

I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed for

whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for my

legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

body.

I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

something for a boost.

I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying a

better bra.

wish everyone well,

Deb

[Guest guest]

,

you are so sweet. Thanks for pump up the self esteem response. I could use more friends like you here in my envirnoment. Its not that my few friends don't care, they just can't relate. I could mention a few things and they would be like okay lets talk about something else. I have one friend who thinks that my being sick from implants had a lot to do with my personality. She's silly. She just doesn't have a clue. But its hurtful when people directly in your life can't get it. But then I can't really expect them to unless they have implants.

Gosh, I'm almost starting to think the implants have caused me severe neurological and emotional problems as well. I mean moody ya know.

I have not been faithful to excercise and do what I know best. I'm a nurse. I should know of all people and I'm the worst of us all. I don't eat right, I don't excercise. What kind of nurse does that? I just don't feel like preaching at anybody. I must just be in a slum, although my work day today was much better.

I used to work out intensely. I got into bad eating habits among other things and i blame it on my husband. Who am I kidding. I'm responsible for myself, but it is hard when he's not at all into health, or working out. I get really annoyed with him. I love him, but lately everything he does irritates me and I just have no excuse. Well, I really don't want to turn this into a gripe session about my husband, because I would need 2 hrs. He's been supportive and I'm probably just being selfish, but he's selfish too. SO.

Yes, lets keep in touch and keep each other encouraged. I need it. What can I do for you? I've never taken an epsom bath. What did it do for you?

Please tell me all your little secrets to getting better. I've done just a few things. i've not really hit it hard and heavy. I have been procrastinating.

Deb B.naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Don't beat yourself up about this stuff, and don't have liposuction esp right now when your still ill. that is insance, promise not to put your poor body through anyore. It has not been long enough for you to feel much better, MOST OF US TOOK AT LEAST A YEAR, those like me who are fine again. It takes time. Some get better right away only to relapse again. Dr Feng told me on average it takes a year or even two. In the meantime, if your super unhappy with your fat areas, be they large or small, you can tone up and slim down while your healing, it is a great way to feel sexy again. Did you see all my photos? They are on the site, i got myself into the best shape of my life after explant, got my body fat really low and now am dieting and down to 119 again, and trying for 115 by the get together. I am a size 2 or 3 these days and love

being petite and firm, with small breasts. I wear little add a size enhancers in a pocket bra, they are sweet, they make me a full B cup and it fits my body perfect. I get tons of compliments and well, have a great sex life also. I have confidence and health, and you can too so hang in there, don't let this tear you apart inside.Try not to binge eat, I know it is easy to do I have been there too, but in the end that will not help your health, neither will taking meds like phentermine. To lose weight you need to exercise 1st and foremost and then eat right too. IT WORKS. You can do it and you will get better at the same time. Working out is extremely healing. It seems so hard at first but trust me you will feel better if you give it a shot.I am getting up in 6 hours to work out before work, I am so dedicated to my working out and hated the gym atmosphere so I got a bunch of cool stuff (bowflex, spinning bike, eliptical

machine) for home use and LOVE LOVE LOVE it.I use them allot and it helps me SO SO SO much.You can get better, 3 months is too soon, but not too soon to start a fitness program.I can be your onine coach/buddy if you want one.Email me if you like and want someone to vent to one oneidagirl@....HugsCarrieIn , "debsings04" <debsings04@y...> wrote:> Hey saline support,> > wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need some > encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel > better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having > constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I > know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like complaining. > I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I tried > taking supplements.

I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me sick. > Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.> > I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to excercise. > I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm just > sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I feel > alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I > can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough what > I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this > site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working > all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed for > whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over > my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for my > legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body. > > I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or > something for a boost. > > I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you. > is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.> > I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying a > better bra.> > wish everyone well,> Deb

[Guest guest]

--- Hi Deb, have you had your hormones checked? I mean each

individual hormone, I felt like you before they balanced my

hormones... It has made a BIG difference... I feel my sex drive

back, which I did not have for years, I feel better about myself

emotionally and physically... I need to lose weight too, but I take

it a day at a time... I had that dark cloud also... please get your

hormones checked.... two of my hormones were almost zero!!!! And

the implants brought me into menopause at the age of 38 yrs old...

so talk about feeling down and crazy!!!! You also need to do

something for yourself..... Sounds impossible, but whether you can

wake up before anyone else for some time or later at night get some

time for you... THis feeling will pass, but I know from my exp. that

I was not myself for years...... the bags really screwed me up

physically and emotionally... even near suicide.... YOu are not

alone,,,,, please check out your levels, and pray that you will be

quided into why you feel this way... this is my opinion just from my

own experience, so I hope it may help in some way........ all I

know is once I started on natural hormone therapy and I receive a

testosterone shot once every four weeks or later, it changed my whole

outlook on life....... I feel happy, and I really have no life

either, just work and go home to be mom and a wife,,, but thats quite

a bit for us women!!! Dont be hard on yourself,,,,, Love and

blessings, Iggy

remember its always " darkest before the dawn! "

In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> Hey saline support,

>

> wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

some

> encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

> know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

complaining.

> I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

tried

> taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

sick.

> Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

>

> I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

excercise.

> I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

just

> sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

feel

> alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

> can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

what

> I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

> all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

for

> whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

> my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for

my

> legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body.

>

> I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> something for a boost.

>

> I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

> is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

>

> I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying

a

> better bra.

>

> wish everyone well,

> Deb

[Guest guest]

---PS, please go on the trip!!!! Love Iggy you need the support we

all do.......

In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> Hey saline support,

>

> wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

some

> encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

> know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

complaining.

> I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

tried

> taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

sick.

> Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

>

> I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

excercise.

> I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

just

> sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

feel

> alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

> can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

what

> I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

> all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

for

> whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

> my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for

my

> legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body.

>

> I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> something for a boost.

>

> I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

> is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

>

> I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying

a

> better bra.

>

> wish everyone well,

> Deb

[Guest guest]

--- I keep forgetting, so here I go again,,,, I was on phenteramine

for about a year,, I got skinny, but as soon as I quit a ballooned up

over 20 lbs heavier than what I was prior to starting that stuff...

so it screws w/your metabolism, when you stop it, look out!!!!!

just my exp that i had w/it..... its definitely not worth it...

also, I noticed a speed like effect,,, people would ask me what was

wrong... It wound me up like the energizer bunny!!!!!! please do

not consider it... I go to an MD who specializes in weight loss and

natural vitamin therapy... he incorporates it altogether, the best

yet, Im losing the healthy way, learning to eat what my body can

handle, and he treats my explant pain naturally also w/supplements

that prevent inflammation, so consider something like this, it will

do a world of good!!!!! love Iggy

In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> Hey saline support,

>

> wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

some

> encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I

> know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

complaining.

> I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

tried

> taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

sick.

> Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

>

> I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

excercise.

> I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

just

> sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

feel

> alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I

> can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

what

> I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working

> all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

for

> whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over

> my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for

my

> legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> body.

>

> I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> something for a boost.

>

> I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you.

> is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

>

> I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying

a

> better bra.

>

> wish everyone well,

> Deb

[Guest guest]

Oh girl I want you to know that you can share your problems with us,

and with me esp anytime, I so understand. It is interesting that your

a nurse, I am a nurse assistant but working at the desk as the unit

secretary now, and love that allot, working at getting into the

nursing program here, someday if I ever get through the general ed

crap. AHHH! anyhow, nurses eat bad, I swear where I work everyone

just about is overweight, or having or had gastric bypass. It was not

so bad in CA as it is in Idaho where I am now. But still even in CA

nurses and Dr's are some of the worse eaters I have ever known. TOday

was another day of sugary snacks in the break room. I hate to even go

in there because of the crap that is always there, Thursday a company

brings us fresh warm donuts every morning, I hate working that day,

but I almost am always there ya know, AHH I have to work out just to

burn off that stupid donut for at least 40 minutes on my spinning

bike.

I learned allong time ago no matter how much I don't feel like it, I

need to do it(exercise that is hee hee) and I just make myself

sometimes are harder than others, but even though I do love it, I

think people asume that I always feel like it or have all this free

time to do it, that is not the case trust me! I just know that I

CANNOT EVER BE FAT AGAIN! I have maintained this weight through hell

and good times too, and will not let it slip away into overweightness

(is that a word hee hee) again ever. As much as I love to eat though,

there is a price to be paid, for me I would rather just eat the damn

donut if I want it and then work out to keep it from ending up on my

tummy or my thighs. IT NEVER LANDS ON MY BOOBIES HA HA is that unfair

or what? It would be sweet if all we had to do was eat a few donuts

to have bigger boobs. It is funny how the fat seems to know not to go

there, and just goes to the places we don't want it. Oh well, anyhow,

so as much as I can relate to your dilema, for me being overweight

would send me into a spiral of depression that I could not handle and

I know it so I am careful with my body, I weigh myself on the same

scale ever morning, and monitor things closely, if I start slipping

up a pound or so I hit the basement and my bowflex or spinner or

eliptical machine and go at it, well I mean I exercise at least 4-5

times a week and that is for 1 1/2 to 2 hours at a time. It is hard,

even having it right there in the basement is hard. But it is easier

and better on me than the gym was. I can watch my own tv or listen to

my stereo or even read if I want to, and that is awesome. I love to

sweat, I always feel like I am eliminating junk when I sweat and I

tell ya that spinning bike is the most awesome work out. I LOVE IT.

You can burn up to 1,000 calories in an hour on it depending on how

hard you make your ride. I make mine hard.

Working out has to be a priority or a habit I guess, and thati s what

I did and it works for me. I bet that if you comit yourself to it and

start to see the scale tipping downward you also can commit to it and

do it, and not only that but it will make your health feel better.

I used to only do cardio when I was ill, esp when I still had the

implants(even sick i still worked out) fear of gaining back that

weight made me push myself. I always hear everyone saying not to push

themselves, and maybe that works for some people and I should just

shut my big mouth but, for me pushing myself, challenging myself and

just going for it is what has gotten me this far in my healing I KNOW

IT HAS. i just know it.

I admit I am a really strong minded personality so that is the way I

am about allot of things and that is what works for me. SO i run

around telling everyone to work out and hopefully a few will listen

and find themselves getting better. I just cannot imagine not working

out.

As for friends not understanding or just wanting to change the

subject, oh girl I know how you feel. Also how they think it is your

personality type, sheesh I have had people back in CA tell me crap

like that. My sister(the one who got implants recently) tried to tell

me that I was just having anxiety and crap like that and that it was

not my implants. I always feel her and my mom think I was just

depressed and that I got better because I met my husband and I am

happier now. What BS that is. I was actually really happy with my

life when I got the implants, I mean yeah I was ging thorugh some

personal crap and all, but that is not what made me sick. When I

finally had some labs come back bad, finally they started to believe

me, somewhat. I mean they believed I was sick but then my sister told

me that she had clients(she does hair) who had lupus and stuff and

had no implants. OF COURSE DUH allot of people have it with and

without implants! The difference is that when we get our implants out

we slowly get better and the labs and all that get better, and the

others with no implants don't get better. BECAUSE WE DON " T HAVE THE

REAL DISEASE we have the screwed up version ya know what I mean ha

ha. Anyhow I guess I have been going on and on here and blabbering

and venting again sorry bout that. I mostly want you to know that I

really do understand where your at, I also understand your profession

although I am not a real nurse I have been working in this field for

so long I feel i should be one by now hee hee. I mean we have lots in

common. But please girl tell me your story how long did you have the

implants and how long have you been explanted? How old are you etc

etc?

Ok I need to go I am so exhausted, I worked so many days in a row and

now I am getting tired and I just got called to work another shift

tomorrow pm shift, so there ya go! AH!

Hang in there ok?

Hugs

In , " Debbie B. " <debsings04@y...>

wrote:

> ,

>

> you are so sweet. Thanks for pump up the self esteem response. I

could use more friends like you here in my envirnoment. Its not that

my few friends don't care, they just can't relate. I could mention a

few things and they would be like okay lets talk about something

else. I have one friend who thinks that my being sick from implants

had a lot to do with my personality. She's silly. She just doesn't

have a clue. But its hurtful when people directly in your life can't

get it. But then I can't really expect them to unless they have

implants.

>

> Gosh, I'm almost starting to think the implants have caused me

severe neurological and emotional problems as well. I mean moody ya

know.

>

> I have not been faithful to excercise and do what I know best. I'm

a nurse. I should know of all people and I'm the worst of us all. I

don't eat right, I don't excercise. What kind of nurse does that? I

just don't feel like preaching at anybody. I must just be in a slum,

although my work day today was much better.

>

> I used to work out intensely. I got into bad eating habits among

other things and i blame it on my husband. Who am I kidding. I'm

responsible for myself, but it is hard when he's not at all into

health, or working out. I get really annoyed with him. I love him,

but lately everything he does irritates me and I just have no excuse.

Well, I really don't want to turn this into a gripe session about my

husband, because I would need 2 hrs. He's been supportive and I'm

probably just being selfish, but he's selfish too. SO.

>

> Yes, lets keep in touch and keep each other encouraged. I need it.

What can I do for you? I've never taken an epsom bath. What did it do

for you?

>

> Please tell me all your little secrets to getting better. I've done

just a few things. i've not really hit it hard and heavy. I have been

procrastinating.

>

> Deb B.

>

> naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> Don't beat yourself up about this stuff, and don't have liposuction

> esp right now when your still ill. that is insance, promise not to

> put your poor body through anyore. It has not been long enough for

> you to feel much better, MOST OF US TOOK AT LEAST A YEAR, those

like

> me who are fine again. It takes time. Some get better right away

only

> to relapse again. Dr Feng told me on average it takes a year or

even

> two. In the meantime, if your super unhappy with your fat areas, be

> they large or small, you can tone up and slim down while your

> healing, it is a great way to feel sexy again. Did you see all my

> photos? They are on the site, i got myself into the best shape of

my

> life after explant, got my body fat really low and now am dieting

and

> down to 119 again, and trying for 115 by the get together. I am a

> size 2 or 3 these days and love being petite and firm, with small

> breasts. I wear little add a size enhancers in a pocket bra, they

are

> sweet, they make me a full B cup and it fits my body perfect. I get

> tons of compliments and well, have a great sex life also. I have

> confidence and health, and you can too so hang in there, don't let

> this tear you apart inside.

> Try not to binge eat, I know it is easy to do I have been there

too,

> but in the end that will not help your health, neither will taking

> meds like phentermine. To lose weight you need to exercise 1st and

> foremost and then eat right too. IT WORKS. You can do it and you

will

> get better at the same time. Working out is extremely healing. It

> seems so hard at first but trust me you will feel better if you

give

> it a shot.I am getting up in 6 hours to work out before work, I am

> so dedicated to my working out and hated the gym atmosphere so I

got

> a bunch of cool stuff (bowflex, spinning bike, eliptical machine)

for

> home use and LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

> I use them allot and it helps me SO SO SO much.

> You can get better, 3 months is too soon, but not too soon to start

a

> fitness program.

> I can be your onine coach/buddy if you want one.

> Email me if you like and want someone to vent to one one

> idagirl@c...

> Hugs

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In , " debsings04 " <debsings04@y...>

> wrote:

> > Hey saline support,

> >

> > wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need

> some

> > encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel

> > better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having

> > constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain.

I

> > know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like

> complaining.

> > I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I

> tried

> > taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me

> sick.

> > Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.

> >

> > I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to

> excercise.

> > I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm

> just

> > sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I

> feel

> > alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems.

I

> > can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough

> what

> > I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this

> > site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after

working

> > all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed

> for

> > whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud

over

> > my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad

for

> my

> > legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower

> > body.

> >

> > I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> > something for a boost.

> >

> > I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for

you.

> > is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.

> >

> > I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about

trying

> a

> > better bra.

> >

> > wish everyone well,

> > Deb

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I just now read your letter. I worked yesterday and today 12 hrs, so no time to read anything. I was so wiped out last night. I'm a cardiac RN of all things. I got my LPN, then worked while in RN school. Now putting my husband through school he graduates in 1 yr. Finally!!!!!!!!! Some money.

I had my implants for almost 3 yrs, smooth saline mentor. I was 500cc. I was full 36D. I recovered pretty well, but I had a rash within a week of the implants on my breast but it went away and never returned ever. I didn't have hardness or constractures, but I was just uncomfortable when touched because they were so sensitive. I never slept well from the time I got them. I found it extremely difficult to lay on my sides for fear they would pop even though they were "just saline". I mean what is the harm in that? So I had many restless nights with poor sleep. I enjoyed them for about 1.5 yrs, then they really started bugging me. They were just so darn heavy. I mean I had 1 full liter of normal saline sitting on my chest. I took a bag of saline 1L at work many times and picked it up and just stared at it thinking I can't believe this is exactly the amt I have on my chest right now. No wonder I have poor posture. I had tension in my neck from the weight. I couldn't exactly get in

the most comfortable position to be intimate with my hubby if ya know what i mean because of feeling like I was being squished and one would burst, so as a reaction my body was defensive, not mentally, but like a hypersensitive reaction. ( a withdrawl) So, I didn't like that. When my kids would hug me i just didn't like all that pressure. They looked really nice, but they were too large. I eventually believe it or not started envying women and my friends with just regular breast. I even think now to this day the most attractive breast are not the huge ones, but natural. I've some women that look like they might have implants but its so hard to tell because they aren't enormous and those look really nice. I just got tired of big boobs ya know. I started feeling really self conscious and mostly I was just uncomfortable. Anytime I took my bra off they just weighed like a ton of bricks and I hated that. I had to wear my bra's so tight to pull them up. I just got sick of the

hassle. So, my first thoughts were they are just a pain in the neck and uncomfortable and too large so that was why I wanted them out. Then i started researching and found info on the safe saline implants and started putting 2 and 2 together and discovered they had been affecting my health. I didn't see it nor really have anyone to talk with nor had I heard of brain fog. I just thought I was working too much and that I wasn't thinking clearly from lack of sleep. Little did I know that I too had severe brain fog. It got much better after the explant. Its so weird, but it was almost like I felt clean after the procedure, although I still have s/s.

I had mine removed, didn't have en bloc. My PS retired and the new guy that took his place removed mine. It went well. One was full intact and the other ruptured while he was trying to remove it, he didn't drain them because he knew I wanted them sent for testing. He packed everything like I asked. I sent to Blaire and am waiting on the report. My implants were crystal clear, but I expect him to find many things growing in it. I noticed before my explant I had been running a low grade temp for like 2 mon. like 99.3, well not really since low grade temp is actually 101, but I kept feeling sick. That temp has gone away since removal. I've had other things going on, much fatigue etc. I have pain in my bones here and there etc.

Anyhow, much of my fatigue comes from long hours of hard work, but still its too intense for my age. I'm only 33.

I tried the epsom salt bath and it was wonderful. I'm going to do those frequently.

I see my obgyn next fri. and I'm going to have him check all my hormones and do every lab test he and I can think of to pin point my fatigue etc. I had cbc less than a yr ago and it was normal, but I can't recall when I had my tsh and other lab done.

I also have to get an intravaginal ultrasound. I need my hgb & hct checked also. I feel weak.

thanks for you emails,

we will keep in touch. Gotta get some food going. Oh and yes, nurses and hospitals are the worst about food. We have candy, cakes, donuts, pizza delivered, sometimes they cater or people bring in food. I agree its the worst, but its a social thing I think also.

Nurses eat and are fat because they have stressful jobs. My husband thinks its so rediculous, although I've worked with some gorgeous ones too! (they ended up marrying docs)

Deb

naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Oh girl I want you to know that you can share your problems with us, and with me esp anytime, I so understand. It is interesting that your a nurse, I am a nurse assistant but working at the desk as the unit secretary now, and love that allot, working at getting into the nursing program here, someday if I ever get through the general ed crap. AHHH! anyhow, nurses eat bad, I swear where I work everyone just about is overweight, or having or had gastric bypass. It was not so bad in CA as it is in Idaho where I am now. But still even in CA nurses and Dr's are some of the worse eaters I have ever known. TOday was another day of sugary snacks in the break room. I hate to even go in there because of the crap that is always there, Thursday a company brings us fresh warm donuts every morning, I hate working that day, but I almost am always

there ya know, AHH I have to work out just to burn off that stupid donut for at least 40 minutes on my spinning bike.I learned allong time ago no matter how much I don't feel like it, I need to do it(exercise that is hee hee) and I just make myself sometimes are harder than others, but even though I do love it, I think people asume that I always feel like it or have all this free time to do it, that is not the case trust me! I just know that I CANNOT EVER BE FAT AGAIN! I have maintained this weight through hell and good times too, and will not let it slip away into overweightness(is that a word hee hee) again ever. As much as I love to eat though, there is a price to be paid, for me I would rather just eat the damn donut if I want it and then work out to keep it from ending up on my tummy or my thighs. IT NEVER LANDS ON MY BOOBIES HA HA is that unfair or what? It would be sweet if all we had to do was eat a few donuts to

have bigger boobs. It is funny how the fat seems to know not to go there, and just goes to the places we don't want it. Oh well, anyhow, so as much as I can relate to your dilema, for me being overweight would send me into a spiral of depression that I could not handle and I know it so I am careful with my body, I weigh myself on the same scale ever morning, and monitor things closely, if I start slipping up a pound or so I hit the basement and my bowflex or spinner or eliptical machine and go at it, well I mean I exercise at least 4-5 times a week and that is for 1 1/2 to 2 hours at a time. It is hard, even having it right there in the basement is hard. But it is easier and better on me than the gym was. I can watch my own tv or listen to my stereo or even read if I want to, and that is awesome. I love to sweat, I always feel like I am eliminating junk when I sweat and I tell ya that spinning bike is the most awesome work out. I

LOVE IT. You can burn up to 1,000 calories in an hour on it depending on how hard you make your ride. I make mine hard.Working out has to be a priority or a habit I guess, and thati s what I did and it works for me. I bet that if you comit yourself to it and start to see the scale tipping downward you also can commit to it and do it, and not only that but it will make your health feel better.I used to only do cardio when I was ill, esp when I still had the implants(even sick i still worked out) fear of gaining back that weight made me push myself. I always hear everyone saying not to push themselves, and maybe that works for some people and I should just shut my big mouth but, for me pushing myself, challenging myself and just going for it is what has gotten me this far in my healing I KNOW IT HAS. i just know it.I admit I am a really strong minded personality so that is the way I am about allot of things and that is what

works for me. SO i run around telling everyone to work out and hopefully a few will listen and find themselves getting better. I just cannot imagine not working out. As for friends not understanding or just wanting to change the subject, oh girl I know how you feel. Also how they think it is your personality type, sheesh I have had people back in CA tell me crap like that. My sister(the one who got implants recently) tried to tell me that I was just having anxiety and crap like that and that it was not my implants. I always feel her and my mom think I was just depressed and that I got better because I met my husband and I am happier now. What BS that is. I was actually really happy with my life when I got the implants, I mean yeah I was ging thorugh some personal crap and all, but that is not what made me sick. When I finally had some labs come back bad, finally they started to believe me, somewhat. I mean they

believed I was sick but then my sister told me that she had clients(she does hair) who had lupus and stuff and had no implants. OF COURSE DUH allot of people have it with and without implants! The difference is that when we get our implants out we slowly get better and the labs and all that get better, and the others with no implants don't get better. BECAUSE WE DON"T HAVE THE REAL DISEASE we have the screwed up version ya know what I mean ha ha. Anyhow I guess I have been going on and on here and blabbering and venting again sorry bout that. I mostly want you to know that I really do understand where your at, I also understand your profession although I am not a real nurse I have been working in this field for so long I feel i should be one by now hee hee. I mean we have lots in common. But please girl tell me your story how long did you have the implants and how long have you been explanted? How old are you etc etc?Ok I

need to go I am so exhausted, I worked so many days in a row and now I am getting tired and I just got called to work another shift tomorrow pm shift, so there ya go! AH!Hang in there ok?HugsIn , "Debbie B." <debsings04@y...> wrote:> ,> > you are so sweet. Thanks for pump up the self esteem response. I could use more friends like you here in my envirnoment. Its not that my few friends don't care, they just can't relate. I could mention a few things and they would be like okay lets talk about something else. I have one friend who thinks that my being sick from implants had a lot to do with my personality. She's silly. She just doesn't have a clue. But its hurtful when people directly in your life can't get it. But then I can't really expect them to unless they have implants. > > Gosh, I'm

almost starting to think the implants have caused me severe neurological and emotional problems as well. I mean moody ya know. > > I have not been faithful to excercise and do what I know best. I'm a nurse. I should know of all people and I'm the worst of us all. I don't eat right, I don't excercise. What kind of nurse does that? I just don't feel like preaching at anybody. I must just be in a slum, although my work day today was much better. > > I used to work out intensely. I got into bad eating habits among other things and i blame it on my husband. Who am I kidding. I'm responsible for myself, but it is hard when he's not at all into health, or working out. I get really annoyed with him. I love him, but lately everything he does irritates me and I just have no excuse. Well, I really don't want to turn this into a gripe session about my husband, because I would need 2 hrs. He's been

supportive and I'm probably just being selfish, but he's selfish too. SO.> > Yes, lets keep in touch and keep each other encouraged. I need it. What can I do for you? I've never taken an epsom bath. What did it do for you?> > Please tell me all your little secrets to getting better. I've done just a few things. i've not really hit it hard and heavy. I have been procrastinating. > > Deb B.> > naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:> Don't beat yourself up about this stuff, and don't have liposuction > esp right now when your still ill. that is insance, promise not to > put your poor body through anyore. It has not been long enough for > you to feel much better, MOST OF US TOOK AT LEAST A YEAR, those like > me who are fine again. It takes time. Some get better right away only > to relapse again. Dr Feng told me on average it takes

a year or even > two. In the meantime, if your super unhappy with your fat areas, be > they large or small, you can tone up and slim down while your > healing, it is a great way to feel sexy again. Did you see all my > photos? They are on the site, i got myself into the best shape of my > life after explant, got my body fat really low and now am dieting and > down to 119 again, and trying for 115 by the get together. I am a > size 2 or 3 these days and love being petite and firm, with small > breasts. I wear little add a size enhancers in a pocket bra, they are > sweet, they make me a full B cup and it fits my body perfect. I get > tons of compliments and well, have a great sex life also. I have > confidence and health, and you can too so hang in there, don't let > this tear you apart inside.> Try not to binge eat, I know it is easy to do I have been there too, > but

in the end that will not help your health, neither will taking > meds like phentermine. To lose weight you need to exercise 1st and > foremost and then eat right too. IT WORKS. You can do it and you will > get better at the same time. Working out is extremely healing. It > seems so hard at first but trust me you will feel better if you give > it a shot.I am getting up in 6 hours to work out before work, I am > so dedicated to my working out and hated the gym atmosphere so I got > a bunch of cool stuff (bowflex, spinning bike, eliptical machine) for > home use and LOVE LOVE LOVE it.> I use them allot and it helps me SO SO SO much.> You can get better, 3 months is too soon, but not too soon to start a > fitness program.> I can be your onine coach/buddy if you want one.> Email me if you like and want someone to vent to one one> idagirl@c...> Hugs>

> > > > > > > > > In , "debsings04" <debsings04@y...> > wrote:> > Hey saline support,> > > > wanted to go on trip, but don't think will be able to. Just need > some > > encouragement. Its been about 3 months now. explant. I do feel > > better. I don't have low grade temp anymore that was having > > constantly with the implants. I am still experiencing joint pain. I > > know I'm better than I was, but I guess I just feel like > complaining. > > I do feel much older sometimes just because my energy is low. I > tried > > taking supplements. I do okay with vitamins, but herbs make me > sick. > > Its difficult to take them when they nauseate me.> > > > I'm feeling sad and depressed. I'm feeling fat. I want to > excercise.

> > I've been eating like a pig. I've been binging all weekend. I'm > just > > sad. I work all the time, come home have husband and kids. But I > feel > > alone. No girlfriends to really meet up with these days it seems. I > > can't seem to find anybody my age or close that has been tnrough > what > > I've been through, in person like at work or whatever. Just this > > site, which has been wonderful. I just have no energy after working > > all the time. I just don't feel very sexy lately. I'm just bummed > for > > whatever reason. Things are going well. I just have this cloud over > > my head. I'm thinking I really want liposuction. I need it bad for > my > > legs. Especially now the implants are gone I feel fat in my lower > > body. > > > > I thought about trying some diet supplements like phentermine or

> > something for a boost. > > > > I hear iggy is doing well. That is aweseome. I'm so happy for you. > > is doing well too. I would love to meet you girls.> > > > I'm starting to miss being a little fuller. I thought about trying > a > > better bra.> > > > wish everyone well,> > Deb> > > >