To find open minded health care practitioner

[Guest guest]

Many have STOPPED seeing peds as the well baby visits are primarily

to vaccinate (take it from me, a former peds nurse)

And most parents are first to find a problem, not the ped.

Once you decide you don't want vaccines, you also will discover you

won't want much else peds have to offer - meds, meds and more meds.

Many have switched to Naturopaths, Homeopaths, Holistic MD's, or Chiropractors

American Association of Naturopathic Physicians

206-298-0126

Referral number: 206-298-0125

www.naturopathic.org

American Holistic Medical Association

703-556-9245

www.holisticmedicine.org

American Naturopathic Medical Association

702-897-7053

http://anma.net

Holistic Pediatric Association

707-237-5312

http://www.hpakids.org

health care practitioner database on Mothering

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and their forum

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Typing in your town, or nearest major city should get you some good info.

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Sheri

listowner

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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Many have STOPPED seeing peds as the well baby visits are primarily

> to vaccinate (take it from me, a former peds nurse)

> And most parents are first to find a problem, not the ped.

Hello everyone,

I joined recently and just knew I was in for trouble! Having been on

this side of the vax issue for pets for years I knew it was as horrid

for people. I stayed outside of the list joining for a long time just

because I knew I'd be overwhelmed with another layer of information.

More like another layer of drama in my life I do not need!

Well I find that while reading your mails the past couple of weeks

(even largely skimming posts)that it's worse then I imagined and the

tears come. I so applaud you folks for your stand and gosh...you Dads!

Bless your hearts! I am a Christian and I try to look at what is going

on around me in a biblical perspective. I see no Godly purpose for the

direction " immunizations " have taken. Like everything else in the

world...what we have and are blessed with or what man first tries to do

good with is taken apart and mutilated by the love of money and power.

I'm in a small vent here and know I have a safe space with you..thanks.)

That all being said I have a question in how to handle my first strong

objection that is bound to continue this week. I sent the long report

about Flu-mist or whatever it's called to my violin studio parents...

forgetting that one of the Moms is a pediatrician. Oy vay!...do we

hear " Hi lion...are you hungry this morning? " Actually she is a

gracious and sweet woman who wrote back asking to not get these random

emails again. She does not know this was not random but one of a few

health issues that I spend time researching. She said people are so

misinformed and so many would die of the flu without these shots, etc.

You all know the dialogue. I have possibly lost this student, who has

stopped for the summer anyway, although that part of this is fine.

As they are on vacation this week, I will see her one more time next

week briefly when she returns the instrument being rented. My desire

is, first of all...NO arguing, 2nd, to keep a simple dialogue going if

possible and not to make her feel more threatened that she already

does. Where do you start when you inadvertantly have confronted

someone right where they live and work who wasn't looking for info

anyway? Someone you may have only one chance to suggest doing their own

due diligence? She's not family...I'm not 'stuck' with her! lol

I would not assume she'd be the least interested in this list, but what

are one or two links (there are dozens!) or medically sound abstracts

or books that are not written solely for the layman like myself that I

could direct her to - if she will even go there? Asking the other

person questions is good...do I ask where she has read that flu could

kill all these kids? Then direct her to more truthful statistics she

can look up? I feel that just saying " look THIS up " and she sees an

emotional, inflammatory write up or colorful website will not do. I'm

sure you understand what I mean. Since I am not an expert by any means

I need to bring her to who is. (Like you, Sheri! She would probably

have more information she believes is correct in her head then I have

at this point in mine.

Thank you so much...sorry for the length. I appreciate your help, as

even with no children of my own (my students only! gg) I'm in this for

the long haul as I am for the animals.

Diane Lovejoy

Baronsfield Irish Wolfhounds

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Many have STOPPED seeing peds as the well baby visits are primarily

> to vaccinate (take it from me, a former peds nurse)

> And most parents are first to find a problem, not the ped.

Hello everyone,

I joined recently and just knew I was in for trouble! Having been on

this side of the vax issue for pets for years I knew it was as horrid

for people. I stayed outside of the list joining for a long time just

because I knew I'd be overwhelmed with another layer of information.

More like another layer of drama in my life I do not need!

Well I find that while reading your mails the past couple of weeks

(even largely skimming posts)that it's worse then I imagined and the

tears come. I so applaud you folks for your stand and gosh...you Dads!

Bless your hearts! I am a Christian and I try to look at what is going

on around me in a biblical perspective. I see no Godly purpose for the

direction " immunizations " have taken. Like everything else in the

world...what we have and are blessed with or what man first tries to do

good with is taken apart and mutilated by the love of money and power.

I'm in a small vent here and know I have a safe space with you..thanks.)

That all being said I have a question in how to handle my first strong

objection that is bound to continue this week. I sent the long report

about Flu-mist or whatever it's called to my violin studio parents...

forgetting that one of the Moms is a pediatrician. Oy vay!...do we

hear " Hi lion...are you hungry this morning? " Actually she is a

gracious and sweet woman who wrote back asking to not get these random

emails again. She does not know this was not random but one of a few

health issues that I spend time researching. She said people are so

misinformed and so many would die of the flu without these shots, etc.

You all know the dialogue. I have possibly lost this student, who has

stopped for the summer anyway, although that part of this is fine.

As they are on vacation this week, I will see her one more time next

week briefly when she returns the instrument being rented. My desire

is, first of all...NO arguing, 2nd, to keep a simple dialogue going if

possible and not to make her feel more threatened that she already

does. Where do you start when you inadvertantly have confronted

someone right where they live and work who wasn't looking for info

anyway? Someone you may have only one chance to suggest doing their own

due diligence? She's not family...I'm not 'stuck' with her! lol

I would not assume she'd be the least interested in this list, but what

are one or two links (there are dozens!) or medically sound abstracts

or books that are not written solely for the layman like myself that I

could direct her to - if she will even go there? Asking the other

person questions is good...do I ask where she has read that flu could

kill all these kids? Then direct her to more truthful statistics she

can look up? I feel that just saying " look THIS up " and she sees an

emotional, inflammatory write up or colorful website will not do. I'm

sure you understand what I mean. Since I am not an expert by any means

I need to bring her to who is. (Like you, Sheri! She would probably

have more information she believes is correct in her head then I have

at this point in mine.

Thank you so much...sorry for the length. I appreciate your help, as

even with no children of my own (my students only! gg) I'm in this for

the long haul as I am for the animals.

Diane Lovejoy

Baronsfield Irish Wolfhounds

[Guest guest]

Hi, Diane. I would never speak of vaccines again with that woman. She doesn't

want to hear it, there is nothing you will say to change her mind, there is no

source you can point her to that will be good enough in her mind--forget it.

I would completely ignore the topic unless she brings it up (which is unlikely).

If she does, apologize for sending it, saying you thought she would be

interested. Period. If she pursues it, I would smile and say " just as you asked

me not to give you info, I'm asking the same of you. It's better this way

because clearly we don't agree on this topic and I'd rather concentrate on the

task at hand which is music. "

Believe me, your energies are better spent trying to inform the uninformed than

attempting to convert those who make a living off of what you reject.

Winnie

Re: To find open minded health care practitioner

Vaccinations

>

> >

> >

> > Many have STOPPED seeing peds as the well baby visits are

> primarily

> > to vaccinate (take it from me, a former peds nurse)

> > And most parents are first to find a problem, not the ped.

>

>

> Hello everyone,

> I joined recently and just knew I was in for trouble! Having

> been on

> this side of the vax issue for pets for years I knew it was as

> horrid

> for people. I stayed outside of the list joining for a long time

> just

> because I knew I'd be overwhelmed with another layer of

> information.

> More like another layer of drama in my life I do not need!

>

> Well I find that while reading your mails the past couple of

> weeks

> (even largely skimming posts)that it's worse then I imagined and

> the

> tears come. I so applaud you folks for your stand and gosh...you

> Dads!

> Bless your hearts! I am a Christian and I try to look at what

> is going

> on around me in a biblical perspective. I see no Godly purpose

> for the

> direction " immunizations " have taken. Like everything else in

> the

> world...what we have and are blessed with or what man first

> tries to do

> good with is taken apart and mutilated by the love of money and

> power.

>

> I'm in a small vent here and know I have a safe space with

> you..thanks.)

> That all being said I have a question in how to handle my first

> strong

> objection that is bound to continue this week. I sent the long

> report

> about Flu-mist or whatever it's called to my violin studio

> parents...

> forgetting that one of the Moms is a pediatrician. Oy vay!...do

> we

> hear " Hi lion...are you hungry this morning? " Actually she is a

> gracious and sweet woman who wrote back asking to not get these

> random

> emails again. She does not know this was not random but one of

> a few

> health issues that I spend time researching. She said people are

> so

> misinformed and so many would die of the flu without these

> shots, etc.

> You all know the dialogue. I have possibly lost this student,

> who has

> stopped for the summer anyway, although that part of this is fine.

>

> As they are on vacation this week, I will see her one more time

> next

> week briefly when she returns the instrument being rented. My

> desire

> is, first of all...NO arguing, 2nd, to keep a simple dialogue

> going if

> possible and not to make her feel more threatened that she

> already

> does. Where do you start when you inadvertantly have confronted

> someone right where they live and work who wasn't looking for

> info

> anyway? Someone you may have only one chance to suggest doing

> their own

> due diligence? She's not family...I'm not 'stuck' with her! lol

>

> I would not assume she'd be the least interested in this list,

> but what

> are one or two links (there are dozens!) or medically sound

> abstracts

> or books that are not written solely for the layman like myself

> that I

> could direct her to - if she will even go there? Asking the

> other

> person questions is good...do I ask where she has read that flu

> could

> kill all these kids? Then direct her to more truthful

> statistics she

> can look up? I feel that just saying " look THIS up " and she sees

> an

> emotional, inflammatory write up or colorful website will not

> do. I'm

> sure you understand what I mean. Since I am not an expert by

> any means

> I need to bring her to who is. (Like you, Sheri! She would

> probably

> have more information she believes is correct in her head then I

> have

> at this point in mine.

> Thank you so much...sorry for the length. I appreciate your

> help, as

> even with no children of my own (my students only! gg) I'm in

> this for

> the long haul as I am for the animals.

>

> Diane Lovejoy

> Baronsfield Irish Wolfhounds

>

>

>