something to think about...

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am from Europe, from the Netherlands, and am worried about this statement.

I understand the feelings that prompted it, but right now, the last thing we

need is mud slinging in any direction.

At this moment our national TV is reporting 24 hrs a day about the disaster

that hit your country. Our government has offered help immediately, as we

have done before. Could it be that your country is well equipped to solve

its own problems? That this is one of the things that makes it such a great

country? Did you realise that we commemorate the end of WW2 every year, and

that a lot of veterans return to our country for that occasion. They meet

with Prince Bernhard, our Queens father, each year. That's one of the ways

we show our appreciation and gratitude.

Sometimes we need to be careful about taking things at face value. Today one

of our papers wrote that Moroccans in Holland were celebrating in the

streets; they cheered at the devastation in the US. We were appalled. All of

us. Including 99% of the Moroccan population living in this country. It

turned out that about 20 young men, who have been a pain in the ass for a

long time, (excuse my language, but that's what they are) were doing this.

We allways hear or read about the exceptions, we tend to forget that the

majority of people are good, and decent and fair. We should make sure that

we focus on keeping our economies from going into recession, we should avoid

pointing the finger at a whole community for something just a few of them

did.

This morning I received this email from an American friend. She is a

university professor of history from Boston.

" I am deeply distressed by the rhetoric coming out of Washington, and

some other capitals, in the wake of yesterday's dreadful events. It is

not only " they' who are capable of horrific acts against 'innocent

civilians'. " We " are equally capable of barbarism and murder - what

about the fire bombing of Dresden? A view of the world which divides it

into the virtuous we and the wicked they has, historically, been a

prelude to horror and, indeed, is the mindset which makes terrorism

possible. "

Sorry to ramble about something off-topic, but I feel very strongly about

this. The only way we can beat those terrorists is by staying level-headed

and sticking together. All of us people that share our views and values.

>

> Message: 23

> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:39:58 -0700 (PDT)

> From: sonji palmer <sonjitx@...>

> Subject: Re: TRAGEDY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

>

>

>>> America: The Good Neighbor.

>>>

>>>

>>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was

> given

>>> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from

>>> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television

>>> commentator. What follows is the full text of his

>>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional

>>> Record:

>>>

>>>

>>> " This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for

> the

>>> Americans as the most generous and possibly the

> least

>>> appreciated people on all the earth.

>>>

>>>

>>> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain

> and

>>> Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the

>>> Americans who poured in billions of dollars and

>>> forgave other billions in debts. None of these

>>> countries is today paying even the interest on its

>>> remaining debts to the United States.

>>>

>>>

>>> When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,

> it

>>> was the Americans who propped it up, and their

> reward

>>> was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of

>>> Paris. I was there. I saw it.

>>>

>>>

>>> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the

> United

>>> States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59

>>> American communities were flattened by tornadoes.

>>> Nobody helped.

>>>

>>>

>>> The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped

>>> billions of dollars into discouraged countries.

> Now

>>> newspapers in those countries are writing about

> the

>>> decadent, warmongering Americans.

>>>

>>>

>>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that

> is

>>> gloating over the erosion of the United States

> dollar

>>> build its own airplane. Does any other country in

> the

>>> world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,

> the

>>> Lockheed Tri-Star, or the DC10? If so, why

>>> don't they fly them? Why do all the International

>>> lines except Russia fly American Planes?

>>>

>>>

>>> Why does no other land on earth even consider

> putting

>>> a man or woman on the moon? You talk about

> Japanese

>>> technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about

> German

>>> technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk

> about

>>> American technocracy, and you find men on the moon

> -

>>> not once, but several times and safely home again.

>>>

>>>

>>> You talk about scandals, and the Americans put

> theirs

>>> right in the store window for everybody to look

> at.

>>> Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and

> hounded.

>>> They are here on our streets, and most of them,

> unless

>>> they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting

> American

>>> dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

>>>

>>>

>>> When the railways of France, Germany and India

> were

>>> breaking down through age, it was the Americans

> who

>>> rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and

> the

>>> New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an

>>> old caboose. Both are still broke.

>>>

>>>

>>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced

> to

>>> the help of other people in trouble. Can you name

> me

>>> even one time when someone else raced to the

> Americans

>>> in trouble? I don't think there was outside help

> even

>>> during the San Francisco earthquake.

>>>

>>>

>>> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one

>>> Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get

>>> kicked around. They will come out of this thing

> with

>>> their flag high. And when they do, they are

> entitled

>>> to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating

>>> over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not

> one

>>> of those. "

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>>>

>>> This is one of the best editorials that I have

> ever

>>> read regarding the United States. It is nice that

> one

>>> man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the

>>> world would realize it. We are always blamed for

>>> everything, and never even get a thank you for the

>>> things we do.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

<I am from Europe, from the Netherlands, and am worried about this

statement.

I understand the feelings that prompted it, but right now, the last thing we

need is mud slinging in any direction.>

I am British and everything you wrote I agree with. My brothers are in the

British army and Air force. They served in the Gulf and Bosnia. My uncle

was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my grandfather fought in Burma,

my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't made the huge contributions

to the modern world America has, but the sacrifices of my family and others

are belittled by the repetition of this old piece of rhetoric. In times

such as these everyone who believes in Democracy, truth and justice should

be on the same side.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

The link above is to the actual article broadcast over the radio in 1973.

Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with everyone who has been touched by

this most appalling act of terrorism.

Pamela

[Guest guest]

I, for one, was overwhelmed by the outpouring of emotion and care

exhibited by other countries towards the United States, especially by

the British. To hear the US anthem played during the changing of the

Guard evoked so many emotions. To hear British officials singing the

Star-spangled banner was so unreal, think about it, that song was

penned during the Revolutionary War with England!

Please do not think that an editorial piece written almost 30 years

ago, under different world conditions, reflects how Americans feel

about our friends overseas.

>

> I am British and everything you wrote I agree with. My brothers

are in the

> British army and Air force. They served in the Gulf and Bosnia.

My uncle

> was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my grandfather fought in

Burma,

> my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't made the huge

contributions

> to the modern world America has, but the sacrifices of my family

and others

> are belittled by the repetition of this old piece of rhetoric. In

times

> such as these everyone who believes in Democracy, truth and justice

should

> be on the same side.

>

> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

>

> The link above is to the actual article broadcast over the radio in

1973.

> Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

>

> My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with everyone who has been

touched by

> this most appalling act of terrorism.

>

> Pamela

[Guest guest]

Let's also not forget that there were many Britains, Australians,

Canadians, Japanese, S. Koreans, and other nationals lost in the WTC

disaster. There families and countries must be hurting as much as

American families.

>

> I am British and everything you wrote I agree with. My brothers

are in the

> British army and Air force. They served in the Gulf and Bosnia.

My uncle

> was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my grandfather fought in

Burma,

> my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't made the huge

contributions

> to the modern world America has, but the sacrifices of my family

and others

> are belittled by the repetition of this old piece of rhetoric. In

times

> such as these everyone who believes in Democracy, truth and justice

should

> be on the same side.

>

> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

>

> The link above is to the actual article broadcast over the radio in

1973.

> Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

>

> My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with everyone who has been

touched by

> this most appalling act of terrorism.

>

> Pamela

[Guest guest]

Devin,

I do not believe for one minute that this piece of work reflects the views

of the majority of the American people. Just as I truly believe that the

majority of people whatever their faith, do not agree with the atrocities

carried out on Tuesday.

Pamela

[ ] Re: Something to think about...

I, for one, was overwhelmed by the outpouring of emotion and care

exhibited by other countries towards the United States, especially by

the British. To hear the US anthem played during the changing of the

Guard evoked so many emotions. To hear British officials singing the

Star-spangled banner was so unreal, think about it, that song was

penned during the Revolutionary War with England!

Please do not think that an editorial piece written almost 30 years

ago, under different world conditions, reflects how Americans feel

about our friends overseas.

>

> I am British and everything you wrote I agree with. My brothers

are in the

> British army and Air force. They served in the Gulf and Bosnia.

My uncle

> was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my grandfather fought in

Burma,

> my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't made the huge

contributions

> to the modern world America has, but the sacrifices of my family

and others

> are belittled by the repetition of this old piece of rhetoric. In

times

> such as these everyone who believes in Democracy, truth and justice

should

> be on the same side.

>

> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

>

> The link above is to the actual article broadcast over the radio in

1973.

> Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

>

> My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with everyone who has been

touched by

> this most appalling act of terrorism.

>

> Pamela

[Guest guest]

I had better clarify that I mean Mr Sinclair's editorial and not your

reply!!!

Pamela

[ ] Re: Something to think about...

I, for one, was overwhelmed by the outpouring of emotion and care

exhibited by other countries towards the United States, especially by

the British. To hear the US anthem played during the changing of the

Guard evoked so many emotions. To hear British officials singing the

Star-spangled banner was so unreal, think about it, that song was

penned during the Revolutionary War with England!

Please do not think that an editorial piece written almost 30 years

ago, under different world conditions, reflects how Americans feel

about our friends overseas.

>

> I am British and everything you wrote I agree with. My brothers

are in the

> British army and Air force. They served in the Gulf and Bosnia.

My uncle

> was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my grandfather fought in

Burma,

> my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't made the huge

contributions

> to the modern world America has, but the sacrifices of my family

and others

> are belittled by the repetition of this old piece of rhetoric. In

times

> such as these everyone who believes in Democracy, truth and justice

should

> be on the same side.

>

> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

>

> The link above is to the actual article broadcast over the radio in

1973.

> Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

>

> My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with everyone who has been

touched by

> this most appalling act of terrorism.

>

> Pamela

[Guest guest]

Jacquelin, this article has been around some time and did not arise because

of what happened this week. You are so right that the loud minority gets

more publicity than the quiet majority. We, Americans, have to be certain

that we do not attack the innocent in this terrible aftermath. We have a

bad habit of that. Where I live in Central California we have a few store

keepers afraid to even tend to their store or go to work because they are

afraid of what kind of back lash might happen to them--just because of their

race or color. We also have people who want to go out and hurt

somebody--anybody--just to lash out because they are angry and/or scared.

Americans after all are human too. We have the same pride and weaknesses of

the rest of the world. Most of us are like most of the rest of the world.

We want only the guilty punished and do not want to hurt the innocent. This

is a time of anger and national pride revival for us.

I hope what I am trying to say makes sense to someone. I know what I mean

but I am not sure that it is coming across right.

Thank you for your post.

Betty

grandmother and guardian to

9 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD, asthma

Evan 7 yo dx'd nonverbal autism

5 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Keuning <jkeuning@...>

>

> I am from Europe, from the Netherlands, and am worried about this

statement.

> I understand the feelings that prompted it, but right now, the last thing

we

> need is mud slinging in any direction.

> We allways hear or read about the exceptions, we tend to forget that the

> majority of people are good, and decent and fair. We should make sure

that

> we focus on keeping our economies from going into recession, we should

avoid

> pointing the finger at a whole community for something just a few of them

> did.

>

> This morning I received this email from an American friend. She is a

> university professor of history from Boston.

> " I am deeply distressed by the rhetoric coming out of Washington, and

> some other capitals, in the wake of yesterday's dreadful events. It is

> not only " they' who are capable of horrific acts against 'innocent

> civilians'. " We " are equally capable of barbarism and murder - what

> about the fire bombing of Dresden? A view of the world which divides it

> into the virtuous we and the wicked they has, historically, been a

> prelude to horror and, indeed, is the mindset which makes terrorism

> possible. "

>

> Sorry to ramble about something off-topic, but I feel very strongly about

> this. The only way we can beat those terrorists is by staying level-headed

> and sticking together. All of us people that share our views and values.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Pamela.....

Could not agree more. I have just seen Russians laying

wreaths and a US Flag outside the Kremlin on TV. So,

though sometimes it may seem otherwise, I believe the

world is heading in the right direction.

--- Pamela Bray <pamela.bray@...> wrote:

> Devin,

>

> I do not believe for one minute that this piece of

> work reflects the views

> of the majority of the American people. Just as I

> truly believe that the

> majority of people whatever their faith, do not

> agree with the atrocities

> carried out on Tuesday.

>

> Pamela

>

> [ ] Re: Something to think

> about...

>

> I, for one, was overwhelmed by the outpouring of

> emotion and care

> exhibited by other countries towards the United

> States, especially by

> the British. To hear the US anthem played during

> the changing of the

> Guard evoked so many emotions. To hear British

> officials singing the

> Star-spangled banner was so unreal, think about it,

> that song was

> penned during the Revolutionary War with England!

> Please do not think that an editorial piece written

> almost 30 years

> ago, under different world conditions, reflects how

> Americans feel

> about our friends overseas.

>

>

>

> >

> > I am British and everything you wrote I agree

> with. My brothers

> are in the

> > British army and Air force. They served in the

> Gulf and Bosnia.

> My uncle

> > was captured and tortured by the Japanese, my

> grandfather fought in

> Burma,

> > my father-in-law in WW2. Maybe Britain hasn't

> made the huge

> contributions

> > to the modern world America has, but the

> sacrifices of my family

> and others

> > are belittled by the repetition of this old piece

> of rhetoric. In

> times

> > such as these everyone who believes in Democracy,

> truth and justice

> should

> > be on the same side.

> >

> >

>

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm

> >

> > The link above is to the actual article broadcast

> over the radio in

> 1973.

> > Gordon Sinclair died in 1984.

> >

> > My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are with

> everyone who has been

> touched by

> > this most appalling act of terrorism.

> >

> > Pamela

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

in reference to all of us who should have seen the "signs" before getting implanted per all of the stories told this weekend about things having happened that should have been a hint to cancel... my sister sent this so I thought I would share it... yes - you are being looked out for and if something happens, it is for a reason

 

Subject: something to think about

After Sept. 11th, one company invited the remaining members of other companies who had been decimated by the attack on the Twin Towers to share their available office space.  At a morning meeting, the head of security told stories of why these people were alive...... and all the stories were just:

The 'L I T T L E' things .

     As you might know, the head of the company got in late

     that day because his son started kindergarten.

     Another fellow was alive because it was his turn to bring

     donuts.

     One woman was late because her alarm clock didn't

     go off in time.

     One was late because of being stuck on the NJ Turnpike  

     because of an auto accident.

     One of them missed his bus.

     One spilled food on her clothes and had to take

    time to change.

     One's car wouldn't start.

     One went back to answer the telephone.

     One had a child that dawdled and didn't get ready as

     soon as he should have.

     One couldn't get a taxi.

     The one that struck me was the man who put on a new

     pair of shoes that morning, took the various means to

     get to work but before he got there,  he developed a

     blister on his foot. He stopped at a drugstore to buy a

     Band-Aid.

     That is why he is alive today.

    Now when I am stuck in traffic, miss an elevator, turn

     back to answer a ringing telephone all the little things

     that annoy me. I think to myself, this is exactly where

    God wants me to be at this very moment.

     The next time your morning seems to be going wrong, the

     children are slow getting dressed, you can't seem to find

     the car keys, you hit every traffic light, don't get mad or

     frustrated;    God is at work watching over you.

    

     May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little 

     things and may you remember their possible purpose.

     Pass this on to someone else, if you'd like.

     There is NO LUCK attached. 

     If you delete this, it's okay: 

     God's Love Is Not Dependent On E-Mail.

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Shari. halvey70@... wrote:

in reference to all of us who should have seen the "signs" before getting implanted per all of the stories told this weekend about things having happened that should have been a hint to cancel... my sister sent this so I thought I would share it... yes - you are being looked out for and if something happens, it is for a reason Subject: something to think about

After Sept. 11th, one company invited the remaining members of other companies who had been decimated by the attack on the Twin Towers to share their available office space. At a morning meeting, the head of security told stories of why these people were alive...... and all the stories were just: The 'L I T T L E' things . As you might know, the head of the company got in late that day because his son started kindergarten. Another fellow was alive because it was his turn to bring donuts. One woman was late because her alarm clock didn't go off in time. One was late because of being stuck on the NJ Turnpike because of an auto accident. One of them missed his bus. One spilled food on her clothes and had to take time to change. One's car wouldn't start. One went back to answer the telephone. One had a child that dawdled and didn't get ready as soon as he should have. One couldn't get a taxi. The one that struck me was the man who put on a new pair of

shoes that morning, took the various means to get to work but before he got there, he developed a blister on his foot. He stopped at a drugstore to buy a Band-Aid. That is why he is alive today. Now when I am stuck in traffic, miss an elevator, turn back to answer a ringing

telephone all the little things that annoy me. I think to myself, this is exactly where God wants me to be at this very moment. The next time your morning seems to be going wrong, the children are slow getting dressed, you can't seem to find the car keys, you hit every traffic light, don't get mad or frustrated; God is at work watching over you. May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little things and may you remember their possible purpose. Pass this on to someone else, if you'd like. There is NO LUCK attached. If you delete this, it's okay: God's Love Is Not Dependent On

E-Mail.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/28/2004 7:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, oceanlilly_csu@... writes:

May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little things and may you remember their possible purpose. Pass this on to someone else, if you'd like. There is NO LUCK attached. If you delete this, it's okay: God's Love Is Not Dependent On E-Mail.

I wish my sister in Law was one of those persons, she did make it in on time as a matter of fact she got there earlier to help other people out on the job........believe it or not when it all happened she did call home...and i believe when she called down they said she had to stay that everything would be ok......i don't think most new what happened...otherwise they would of evacuated the place.....she happened to be on the 92nd floor in the first tower (NORTH) the first building to get hit last to go down........she called home and told her mom to get the rescue squad up there that the doors were jammed and they couldn't get out....she was two stories under where the plane hit....i just pray to God (and i am sure he heard me) that she just fell asleep from the smoke and suffered no pain....i loved her and miss her so so much...and my hubby is still in denial that she is gone..everyone appreciate each and every day we are given.....life is too short make the most out of it.......love to you all BJ

[Guest guest]

-

I am so sorry for your loss. What a terrible thing and how hard it

must be to deal with your grief. My sympathy is with you and your

husband.

Hugs, kathy

-- In , Baboola57@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/28/2004 7:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> oceanlilly_csu@y... writes:

> May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little

> things and may you remember their possible purpose.

>

> Pass this on to someone else, if you'd like.

> There is NO LUCK attached.

> If you delete this, it's okay:

> God's Love Is Not Dependent On E-Mail.

> I wish my sister in Law was one of those persons, she did make it

in on time

> as a matter of fact she got there earlier to help other people out

on the

> job........believe it or not when it all happened she did call

home...and i

> believe when she called down they said she had to stay that

everything would be

> ok......i don't think most new what happened...otherwise they

would of evacuated

> the place.....she happened to be on the 92nd floor in the first

tower (NORTH)

> the first building to get hit last to go down........she called

home and told

> her mom to get the rescue squad up there that the doors were

jammed and they

> couldn't get out....she was two stories under where the plane

hit....i just pray

> to God (and i am sure he heard me) that she just fell asleep from

the smoke

> and suffered no pain....i loved her and miss her so so much...and

my hubby is

> still in denial that she is gone..everyone appreciate each and

every day we are

> given.....life is too short make the most out of it.......love to

you all

> BJ