Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 What state are you in? On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM, <saleemapeterson@...> wrote: > > > Hello, > I was wondering if someone could email me (saleemapeterson@...) a form > to take to my pediatrician that I could sign instead of the one they want me > to sign (for vax refusal). Does anyone have an exact form that they used > that I could also just use? Also, I want to give this form to my friend > this Friday who does not have the internet and has a Ped. appt. soon, and > thankfully, she has chosen not to vaccinate further, after having her son > receive his 2 month and 4 month vaxes. I told her not to sign the form they > give her, and that I'll find one for her to take to them instead, so I'm > hoping someone could send me this. I am not good at keeping up with > checking the group, so if you could email to my email address above, I would > Greatly appreciate it!!! > Thank you so much!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I am in Minnesota > > > Hello, > I was wondering if someone could email me (saleemapeterson) a form > to take to my pediatrician that I could sign instead of the one they want me > to sign (for vax refusal). Does anyone have an exact form that they used > that I could also just use? Also, I want to give this form to my friend > this Friday who does not have the internet and has a Ped. appt. soon, and > thankfully, she has chosen not to vaccinate further, after having her son > receive his 2 month and 4 month vaxes. I told her not to sign the form they > give her, and that I'll find one for her to take to them instead, so I'm > hoping someone could send me this. I am not good at keeping up with > checking the group, so if you could email to my email address above, I would > Greatly appreciate it!!! > Thank you so much!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Here is the specific law as it pertains to MN. http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Minnesota.htm And here is a link to the form required by your state: http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/laws/childcareimzrec.pdf You'll need to fill out and have part " C " notarized. Hope this helps! On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, <saleemapeterson@...> wrote: > I am in Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Does anyone know how to find these laws as they pertain to animals in each state? Sherry On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Roberg wrote: > Here is the specific law as it pertains to MN. > http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Minnesota.htm > > And here is a link to the form required by your state: > http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/laws/ > childcareimzrec.pdf > You'll need to fill out and have part " C " notarized. > > Hope this helps! > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, > <saleemapeterson@...> wrote: > > I am in Minnesota > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Thanks so very much ! So, will this form that I get notarized be ok for my pediatrician? Because don't they want me to sign and extra form (their aap form) that is supposed to be incriminating, I heard? > I am in Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 that is the form for school- some give it to their peds also They can still ask you to sign their form and you should refuse as it is incriminating If you don't sign that, they often will throw you out of their practice Sheri At 03:23 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >Thanks so very much ! >So, will this form that I get notarized be ok for my >pediatrician? Because don't they want me to sign and extra form >(their aap form) that is supposed to be incriminating, I heard? > > > >From: Roberg <trinnea@...> >Subject: Re: Help - Need Form! >Vaccinations >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 So there is no alternative form at all that I could bring in and sign besides the standard school one? (like their form, only not incriminating for me?)... saying that I won't hold them accountable, etc.... does something like that exist, or do I need to type up my own? Thanks! > >From: Roberg <trinneagmail (DOT) com> >Subject: Re: Help - Need Form! >Vaccinations >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I think exemption forms, or statements relating to them, are different than what the ped wants signed. Winnie Re: Help - Need Form! Vaccinations > Thanks so very much ! > So, will this form that I get notarized be ok for my > pediatrician? Because don't they want me to sign and extra form > (their aap form) that is supposed to be incriminating, I heard? > > > > I am in Minnesota > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 At 06:27 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >So there is no alternative form at all that I could bring in and >sign besides the standard school one? (like their form, only not >incriminating for me?)... saying that I won't hold them accountable, >etc.... does something like that exist, or do I need to type up my own? >Thanks! > Find a naturopath, homeopath or chiropractor for your child care. That's the best answer. Once you realize you don't want vaxes, you realize don't want much else they have to offer either. Sheri > > > > >From: Roberg <trinneagmail (DOT) com> > >Subject: Re: Help - Need Form! > >Vaccinations > >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi Sheri, Thanks! Yes, I was thining I should just do that, shouldn't I ! :) The only concern I have is that I've heard that it's good to leave a " paper trail " showing that you took your child into the pediatrician. Do you think it would still be ok to go to a homeopath/naturalpath/chiropracter, and CPS couldn't use that against me, could they? I'm afraid about that I guess!! Should I be? Or do you think it would all be ok? New mom with worries! > > > >From: Roberg <trinneagmail (DOT) com> > >Subject: Re: Help - Need Form! > >Vaccinations > >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 If your doc is a licensed physician in your state, I wouldn't worry about it. Winnie Re: Help - Need Form! > > >Vaccinations > > >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 How true about not wanting what else they have to offer. Just had a very frustrating visit with my ped whom I use purely for diagnoses. I took my 13-yr-old son in to rule out anything asthma related (he's convinced he has it but I believe it's really anxiety, possible some allergies). She had him perform this stupid, inconclusive breathing test, and before even diagnosing him with anything (which she didn't) told me I had to get out of my homeopathic mindset because asthma is serious and he could end up with scarred lungs or bronchial tubes--can't remember which because I was too stunned at her attack. I said tell me about it--lots of experience here with my oldest who was plagued with it as a toddler, and it was my naturopath who gave him his health back after traditional meds left him with pneumonia and no appetite. I told her I certainly wouldn't ignore it but I'm not planning on taking her meds for it. I just want to see what is going on with him physically, and mostly for his peace of mind to rule it out, and I'll decide what to do about it. End result--my son ended up more nervous than before from comments she made, not the least of which were ones to patronize his mother in front of him--ugh. Never again. I thought she would work with me but she was so excited at the thought of his having asthma, and thinking now I would finally have to take her advice on something, that she wouldn't listen to a word about other concerns to do with his anxiety, or getting his thyroid checked, etc. Well, surprise, surprise. She's lost four customers. I'm going back to my naturopath and paying out of pocket. I suggest others listen to Sheri's advice about not wanting what else the peds have to offer. You never know when they might flip out on you. Winnie Re: Help - Need Form! > > >Vaccinations > > >Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Winnie, Have you had your son in to see a chiropractor as well as the homeopathy? A good chiro can address the breathing problems as well as the anxiety. My chiro has actually stopped an acute asthma attack dead in it's tracks for me, and I haven't had an attack since (about 5 months now). On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:56 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote: > How true about not wanting what else they have to offer. > > Just had a very frustrating visit with my ped whom I use purely for > diagnoses. I took my 13-yr-old son in to rule out anything asthma related > (he's convinced he has it but I believe it's really anxiety, possible someWinn > allergies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Actually, that's on our list, too. He's due for a recheck. Thanks for the reminder--I'll put it at the top and call them right now! Winnie Re: Help - Need Form! Vaccinations > Winnie, > > Have you had your son in to see a chiropractor as well as the > homeopathy? A good chiro can address the breathing problems as well > as the anxiety. My chiro has actually stopped an acute asthma attack > dead in it's tracks for me, and I haven't had an attack since > (about 5 > months now). > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:56 AM, wrote: > > How true about not wanting what else they have to offer. > > > > Just had a very frustrating visit with my ped whom I use > purely for > > diagnoses. I took my 13-yr-old son in to rule out anything > asthma related > > (he's convinced he has it but I believe it's really anxiety, > possible someWinn > > allergies). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 , I agree with you that a " paper trail " is important. I don't take either of my kids to an allopathic doctor, but I do get them regular chiropractic care. Every visit is documented, as is whether my child needed an adjustment or not. I've seen him add little notes like " has a little cold today " or " was particularly cheerful today " in the notes. If anyone ever questions whether I have my child seen by a doctor, I have a WONDERFUL paper trail through my chiro. He sees them at LEAST every other week, which is way more often than an allopath would ever see a child... IMO this is BETTER and more thoughtful care than the allopathic alternative. I even list my chiro as our primary care provider on everything. There are some excellent articles on pediatric chiropractic here: http://www.icpa4kids.org/why.htm P.S. Here are some myths and facts on chiropractic: As successful as chiropractic has become, there are a lot of myths circulating among the general public. Times have definitely changed for the better, but the fact is that many people still do not understand what chiropractors do. Let's talk about a few of the more common myths about chiropractic. Myth #1 - Chiropractors are not real doctors. A chiropractic college grants a D.C. or Doctorate of Chiropractic degree. Chiropractors are licensed as health care providers in every U.S. state and dozens of countries around the world. While the competition for acceptance in chiropractic school is not as fierce as medical school, the chiropractic and medical school curricula are extremely rigorous and virtually identical. In fact, chiropractors have more hours of classroom education than their medical counterparts. As part of their education, chiropractic students also complete a residency working with real patients in a clinical setting, supervised by licensed doctors of chiropractic. Once chiropractic students graduate, they have to pass four sets of national board exams as well as state board exams in the states where they want to practice. Just like medical doctors, chiropractors are professionals that are subject to the same type of testing procedures, licensing and monitoring by state and national peer-reviewed boards. Federal and state programs, such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Workers' Compensations programs cover chiropractic care, and all federal agencies accept sick-leave certificates signed by doctors of chiropractic. Chiropractors are also commissioned as officers in the military. The biggest difference between chiropractors and medical doctors lies not in their level of education, but in their preferred method of caring for people. Medical doctors are trained in the use of medicines (chemicals that affect your internal biochemistry) and surgery. Consequently, if you have a chemical problem, such as diabetes, hypothyroidism, or an infection, medical doctors can be very helpful. However, if your problem is that your spine is mis-aligned or you have soft tissue damage causing pain, there is no chemical in existence that can fix it. You need a physical solution to correct a physical problem. That is where chiropractic really shines. Chiropractors provide physical solutions -- adjustments, exercises, stretches, muscle therapy -- to help the body heal from conditions that are physical in origin, such as back pain, muscle spasms, headaches, and poor posture. Another distinction is the fact that it is completely appropriate to receive chiropractic care even if you do not have symptoms. Unlike standard medical doctors, whom you visit when you have a symptom to be treated, chiropractors offer adjustments to improve spinal alignment and overall well-being before symptoms develop. Myth #2 - Medical doctors don't like chiropractors. The American Medical Association's opposition to chiropractic was at its strongest in the 1940s under the leadership of Fishbein. Fishbein called chiropractors " rabid dogs " and referred to them as " playful and cute, but killers " He tried to portray chiropractors as members of an unscientific cult who cared about nothing but taking their patients' money. Up to the late 1970s and early 1980s, the medical establishment purposely conspired to try to destroy the profession of chiropractic. In fact, a landmark lawsuit in the Supreme Court of Illinois in the 1980s found that the American Medical Association was guilty of conspiracy and was ordered to pay restitution to the chiropractic profession. In the 20 years since, the opinion of most medical doctors has changed: several major studies have shown the superiority of chiropractic in helping people with a host of conditions, and medical doctors developed a better understanding as to what chiropractors actually do. Many people have returned to their medical doctors and told them about the great results they experienced at their chiropractors office. Hospitals across the country now have chiropractors on staff, and many chiropractic offices have medical doctors on staff. Chiropractors and medical doctors are now much more comfortable working together in cases where medical care is necessary as an adjunct to chiropractic care. Myth #3 - Once you start going to a chiropractor, you have to keep going for the rest of your life. This statement comes up frequently when the topic of chiropractic is discussed. It is only partially true. You only have to continue going to the chiropractor as long as you wish to maintain the health of your neuromusculoskeletal system. Going to a chiropractor is much like going to the dentist, exercising at a gym, or eating a healthy diet: As long as you keep it up, you continue to enjoy the benefits. Many years ago, dentists convinced everyone that the best time to go to the dentist is before your teeth hurt, that routine dental care will help your teeth remain healthy for a long time. The same is true of chiropractic care for your spine. It is important to remember that, just like your teeth, your spine experiences normal wear and tear as you walk, drive, sit, lift, sleep, and bend. Routine chiropractic care can help you feel better, move with more freedom, and stay healthier throughout your lifetime. Although you can enjoy the benefits of chiropractic care even if you receive care for a short time, the real benefits come into play when you make chiropractic care a part of your wellness lifestyle. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, <saleemapeterson@...> wrote: > Hi Sheri, > Thanks! Yes, I was thining I should just do that, shouldn't I ! :) > The only concern I have is that I've heard that it's good to leave a " paper > trail " showing that you took your child into the pediatrician. Do you think > it would still be ok to go to a homeopath/naturalpath/chiropracter, and CPS > couldn't use that against me, could they? > I'm afraid about that I guess!! Should I be? Or do you think it would all > be ok? > New mom with worries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Yay! I know my adjustments keep my anxiety at bay... I hope your son feels better after his! On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:24 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote: > Actually, that's on our list, too. He's due for a recheck. Thanks for the > reminder--I'll put it at the top and call them right now! > > Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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