Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

[Guest guest]

Calm down now, the world is not coming to an end.

Get yourself a picture and story of children who died

after being vaccinated. Keep it with you daily.

As far as your child getting sick from time to time,

that is a good thing and natural. It means the body is eliminating

waste/poison, and the childs immune system is growing strong.

As far as those childhood illnesses are concerned, if your child

gets sick you will find useful and comforting advice on this list.

Come to think of it I hear everyone talking about the measles.

I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the measles.

Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot of towns while

growing up.

I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles. So far of

about 10 they all said no.

If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear about it first

hand.

Jim

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

-- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just so

I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

Terri

[Guest guest]

Jim,  I had the measles, and so did all four of my siblings.  We also had mumps

and chicken pox...no ill effects to any of them.  I remember when they came out

with the vaccines, and I wondered why they were doing that.  We all had those

" childhood illnesses " , and so did most all of the kids I knew.  I never heard of

anyone even going to the hospital with it.  My mother just set up a " sick room "

in one of the bedrooms, and as one kid got well, another would come down with it

and move in.  I just remember her keeping the room dark, and bringing us soup if

we felt like it and lots of fluids.  It was accepted as part of growing up back

then.  I am 58 now.  I have never been scared of the measles.  Funny how the

media can blow things way out of proportion.  Dr. Tinpenny who has done research

on the various diseases says that in 1953 you had a one in 10,000,000 chance of

dying from the measles.  The vaccine came out in 1957.  The vaccine

industry loves to use " fear " to get everyone scared about vaccinating.  Remember

the " bird flu " in Europe?  They weren't worried, but our vaccine industry

couldn't wait to put headlines in the paper every time one person died.  They

love using fear.  Sorry for the soapbox.  I wish I had listened to my instincts

with my own children and vaccines.  We would be much better off now.  Janet

From: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

Subject: Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 4:37 PM

Calm down now, the world is not coming to an end.

Get yourself a picture and story of children who died

after being vaccinated. Keep it with you daily.

As far as your child getting sick from time to time,

that is a good thing and natural. It means the body is eliminating

waste/poison, and the childs immune system is growing strong.

As far as those childhood illnesses are concerned, if your child

gets sick you will find useful and comforting advice on this list.

Come to think of it I hear everyone talking about the measles.

I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the measles.

Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot of towns while

growing up.

I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles. So far of

about 10 they all said no.

If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear about it first

hand.

Jim

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

-- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just so

I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

Terri

[Guest guest]

Ditto for me. I am 61 and had the measles, rubella, mumps and chicken pox with

no real

issues. The measles stuck out for me because of the darkened room. I remember

being in

my bed and the blinds closed. Did not last very long and I was left with a

healthy immune

system and antibodies for life. This is how it should be for all our children.

Pediatricians

will have to treat their patients for these childhood diseases as they did when

I was a

youngster. What a concept!

> From: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

> Subject: Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

> Vaccinations

> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 4:37 PM

>

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>

>

> Calm down now, the world is not coming to an end.

>

> Get yourself a picture and story of children who died

>

> after being vaccinated. Keep it with you daily.

>

> As far as your child getting sick from time to time,

>

> that is a good thing and natural. It means the body is eliminating

>

> waste/poison, and the childs immune system is growing strong.

>

> As far as those childhood illnesses are concerned, if your child

>

> gets sick you will find useful and comforting advice on this list.

>

> Come to think of it I hear everyone talking about the measles.

>

> I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the measles.

>

> Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot of towns

while

growing up.

>

> I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles. So far of

about 10

they all said no.

>

> If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear about it

first hand.

>

> Jim

>

>

>

> Measles in Minnesota -- questions

>

>

>

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

>

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

>

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

>

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just so

>

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

>

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

>

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

>

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

>

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

>

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

>

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

>

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

>

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

>

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

>

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

>

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

>

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

>

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

>

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

>

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the measles.

> Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot

of towns while growing up.

> I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles.

So far of about 10 they all said no.

> If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear

about it first hand.

> Jim

>

I too don't know anyone who had measles. I know 3 people who had

mumps and everyone my age (30) had chicken pox. My dad had whooping

cough back in Ukraine when he was about 8 years old. He said it was

mild, not a big deal, just lots of cough for a long time. I also had

scarlatina when i was young and was home from school for about a week.

Katarina

>

>

> Measles in Minnesota -- questions

>

>

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just

so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the

whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably

try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I

need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information

for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri -

I live in Minnesota as well. Hennepin Co. actually, which is were

the measles cases have been reported. We have decided not to

vaccinate our children although in this case is doesn't really

matter, because our little guy is only 5 months old, so he wouldn't

be due to receive the vaccine yet anyway.

I too think that it's good to be exposed and build immunity to these

diseases, however considering that it's hitting so close to home and

that our guy is so young I am a bit concerned. I think that when the

disease hits in your own backyard it's totally valid to have

concerns, especially at a time when it's so rare and most people

can't tell you how it will run it's course, or how to handle it.

We're staying calm, but I'll admit that I don't plan on taking him

out to public places a lot in the next week or so. He is still very

young and while we are breastfeeding I would rather he not be

exposed, if possible until he gets a bit older.

I would be curious to hear other stories. Anyone who has dealt with

this recently? Did you let the fever run it's course or try to get

it down? Did you see a Homeopath, Naturopath, Pediatrician, or just

stay at home and handle it yourself?

>

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just

so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the

whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably

try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I

need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information

for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk,

please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

[Guest guest]

I never had measles, but my Mom and her brothers did and said she remembers it

as being no big deal except that you had to stay in a dark room because the

light bothered your eyes so it was boring.  I am in San Diego and we had a

number of cases here not too long ago.  All the people I know whose kids

contracted it said it was not a big deal at all.  It seems that the kids were

more comfortable then with chicken pox for the most part.

[Guest guest]

I had the measles when I was 18 years old (in 1989). It was pretty

miserable - I remember being really hot and itchy and my eyes hurt so

I was bummed that I couldn't watch TV. I basically laid in bed for a

few days until it passed. I had the chicken pox when I was in the 2nd

grade and all I remember was how fun it was to stay home from school!

I got to spend the days with my grandmother, color and eat fudge sickles.

To be honest - childbirth was worse then the measles! And I would

have another baby.

>

> I never had measles, but my Mom and her brothers did and said she

remembers it as being no big deal except that you had to stay in a

dark room because the light bothered your eyes so it was boring.  I am

in San Diego and we had a number of cases here not too long ago.  All

the people I know whose kids contracted it said it was not a big deal

at all.  It seems that the kids were more comfortable then with

chicken pox for the most part.

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[Guest guest]

See my post from yesterday, Terri. My friend in the UK was scared of

measles - then her eldest boy developed it. He's now getting over it nicely

and her 18mo baby is showing first signs and symptoms. They're all coping

very well and using homoeopathy to ease things along.

There is nothing to be stressed about or afraid of.

Sue x

-- Measles in Minnesota -- questions

In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

-- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just so

I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

Terri

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Anxiety is good--it's gets you thinking. Just don't make impulsive decisions

based on fear, especially from carefully planned media reports designed to

create that fear in order to get you to vaccinate.

If you think vaccinating is going to relieve your anxiety, let me enlighten you:

It won't. And if you end up with a vaccine damaged child, when you " totally

don't believe in vaccinations, " how will you ever get over that guilt? Separate

the two issues: whether to vaccinate (will it protect or cause harm) and what to

do about disease. You can nurse your children through diseases--people do it all

the time.

Prepare yourself by lining up a good alternative doc now, learn all you can

about homeopathy for you and your family, keep sick children home--and I would

never invite health officials into my private life.

Winnie

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating

> just so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll

> probably try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would

> I need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with

> information for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe it's limited to just your area, or just the areas the media

decides to report on from time to time. I'll bet there are many diseases going

around all over, just the media doesn't cover it all.

Think about it: are they covering a lot about vaccine reactions? That's going

on, but you don't hear about it. They report on what they want to. When it's

concentrated on one area, it gets people in those areas to go nuts. Then they

move on until the whole country is petrified. Don't fall for it.

Winnie

Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> Hi Terri -

>

> I live in Minnesota as well. Hennepin Co. actually, which is

> were

> the measles cases have been reported. We have decided not to

> vaccinate our children although in this case is doesn't really

> matter, because our little guy is only 5 months old, so he

> wouldn't

> be due to receive the vaccine yet anyway.

>

> I too think that it's good to be exposed and build immunity to

> these

> diseases, however considering that it's hitting so close to home

> and

> that our guy is so young I am a bit concerned. I think that

> when the

> disease hits in your own backyard it's totally valid to have

> concerns, especially at a time when it's so rare and most people

> can't tell you how it will run it's course, or how to handle it.

>

>

> We're staying calm, but I'll admit that I don't plan on taking

> him

> out to public places a lot in the next week or so. He is still

> very

> young and while we are breastfeeding I would rather he not be

> exposed, if possible until he gets a bit older.

>

> I would be curious to hear other stories. Anyone who has dealt

> with

> this recently? Did you let the fever run it's course or try to

> get

> it down? Did you see a Homeopath, Naturopath, Pediatrician, or

> just

> stay at home and handle it yourself?

>

>

> >

> > In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> > and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> > resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> > -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating

> just

> so

> > I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about

> the

> whole

> > issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> > vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

> >

> > I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll

> probably

> try

> > to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids

> are so

> > young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> > information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> > measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> > symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> > away so that we could be in contact through the disease?

> Would I

> need

> > to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> > had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

> >

> > Is there a web site or forum or book or something with

> information

> for

> > parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

> >

> > Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk,

> please!!!)

> >

> > Terri

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never had it, or don't remember it. I was born in 1953 and didn't have the

vaccine, either. I believe it came out in the mid 1960's, and those who were

born in 1957 or after are assumed to have had the vaccine. If anyone around me

had the measles, I never heard about it.

Winnie

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

>

>

>

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

>

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

>

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

>

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating

> just so

>

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

>

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

>

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

>

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll

> probably try

>

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

>

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

>

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

>

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

>

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

>

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

>

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

>

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

>

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with

> information for

>

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

>

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

>

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, I was born in 1973, had my MMR shot that probably didn't work as

i had measles a couple of years later. my older brother had measles

too and both of my parents did as well.

i think it took me about 3 weeks to recover from measles. i was quite

sick for awhile, but recovered fine, no complications.

>

> Calm down now, the world is not coming to an end.

> Get yourself a picture and story of children who died

> after being vaccinated. Keep it with you daily.

> As far as your child getting sick from time to time,

> that is a good thing and natural. It means the body is eliminating

> waste/poison, and the childs immune system is growing strong.

> As far as those childhood illnesses are concerned, if your child

> gets sick you will find useful and comforting advice on this list.

> Come to think of it I hear everyone talking about the measles.

> I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the

measles.

> Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot

of towns while growing up.

> I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles.

So far of about 10 they all said no.

> If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear

about it first hand.

> Jim

>

>

>

> Measles in Minnesota -- questions

>

>

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just

so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the

whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably

try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I

need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information

for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Again, it makes me sick, the fear they put you in.

Measles is not that difficult.

>I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

>to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

>young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

>information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

>measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

>symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

>away so that we could be in contact through the disease?

It would be helpful as using the right homeopathy throughout the

illness will make it easier, as it would with any illness.

But in times past, nearly every child recovered just fine even

without homeopathy, as most did not know of it.

Vitamin A is also very helpful as measles is worse if vitamin a

stores are low in the child and it also depletes Vitamin A

> Would I need

>to tell health officials?

It is supposed to be one you notify them of, but you do as you want -

not sure the consequences if you don't.

There are certain contagious diseases that are notifiable.

>Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

>had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

Yes, because vaccines don't give immunity. But not everyone is

susceptible anyway.

>Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

>parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

My class ;-)

But I'll send some info here

>Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

Everyone I ever knew survived measles just fine and everyone my

parents ever knew (and I'm 57)

We used to think of measles just as most think of chickenpox

now. Nothing to be feared

Sheri

[Guest guest]

I did and everyone I know did, in the 50's.

We all did just fine.

I remember getting to rest/sleep in my parent's bed in the day as it

could be made really dark in there and my eyes hurt (we now know this

is from low levels of Vitamin A - which could easily have been given,

but no one told us). Otherwise, don't remember much else - did just

fine and got to be off school. It isn't a terrible memory at

all. We all had measles, mumps, chickenpox, rubella and scarlet fever.

Sheri

At 09:37 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote:

>Calm down now, the world is not coming to an end.

>Get yourself a picture and story of children who died

>after being vaccinated. Keep it with you daily.

>As far as your child getting sick from time to time,

>that is a good thing and natural. It means the body is eliminating

>waste/poison, and the childs immune system is growing strong.

>As far as those childhood illnesses are concerned, if your child

>gets sick you will find useful and comforting advice on this list.

>Come to think of it I hear everyone talking about the measles.

>I had chicken pox and mumps but don't recall ever having the measles.

>Nor do I remember anyone in my neighborhood, and I lived in a lot of

>towns while growing up.

>I am starting to ask people, young and old if they had the measles.

>So far of about 10 they all said no.

>If anyone on this list actually had measles I would like to hear

>about it first hand.

>Jim

>

>

>

> Measles in Minnesota -- questions

>

>

>In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

>and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

>resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

>-- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating just so

>I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

>issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

>vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

>I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll probably try

>to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

>young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

>information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

>measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

>symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

>away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would I need

>to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

>had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

>Is there a web site or forum or book or something with information for

>parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

>Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

>Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:

>I never had measles, but my Mom and her brothers did and said she

>remembers it as being no big deal except that you had to stay in a

>dark room because the light bothered your eyes so it was boring. I

>am in San Diego and we had a number of cases here not too long

>ago. All the people I know whose kids contracted it said it was not

>a big deal at all. It seems that the kids were more comfortable

>then with chicken pox for the most part.

>

Yes, certainly - measles rash can be itchy but not in most children -

certainly not to the extent of chickenpox.

Sher

[Guest guest]

At 05:51 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:

>I never had it, or don't remember it. I was born in 1953 and didn't

>have the vaccine, either. I believe it came out in the mid 1960's,

>and those who were born in 1957 or after are assumed to have had the

>vaccine. If anyone around me had the measles, I never heard about it.

Wow, that is a different experience than I've ever heard from the 50's.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 08

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone, especially Jim,

     I had the measles back in the 50s; so did all 4 of my siblings, and we all

emerged healthy and intact, something that cannot be said after receiving a

vaccine.  It was probably hardest for my mother, caring for us all as we went

through it, but as a young child I remember it being nice to be taken care of so

specially, and having my brothers and sister being so solicitous for once!  I've

always gotten over illnesses quickly; I do not remember being in pain or

anything horrible at all.  As someone else said, my mom kept the room darkened,

had us sleep as much as possible, and bathed us using oatmeal soap to calm the

itching.  It was fun to miss school, and have everyone ask how you were when you

went back.  Having the measles, chicken pox, mumps were all a right of passage

through childhood; everyone I knew had them, and moms talked with other moms

about how best to get their families through any illness. 

     One of the best things anyone can do is to educate yourself in how to take

care of yourself and your family; using homeopathy, herbs, healing foods, and

vitamins, you can protect yourself and others from almost anything.  Taking

classes in acute healing with homeopathy and herbs will alleviate the fear many

parents feel today in the face of ubiquitous and immoral ads for vaccines. 

Since the beginning of time, parents, especially mothers, knew how to take care

of their families and took on this responsibility.  It seems that now adults

want others to still take care of them, perhaps because they did not receive, as

I did growing up in the 50s, the guidance and caring from their own parents. 

     But killing our children or causing them to have diminished lives by

injecting them with poisons to make others rich, is immoral; parents need to

take back their responsibilities in raising their children, and right now, in

this country, arming yourself with education is an important first step.  Take a

class, find a certified homeopath and herbalist, get rid of the junk food and

eat only healthy, life-giving foods, drink only pure water.  Fear will disappear

but anger at what's happening will surface.  Use this to make positive changes

in your life.  And stay away from doctors and the medical community as much as

possible! 

We're in this together,

Sholtz, Ph.D, RSHom(NA), CCH

*Registrar, North American Society of Homeopaths

[Guest guest]

>

> One of the best things anyone can do is to educate yourself in

> how to take care of yourself and your family; using homeopathy,

> herbs, healing foods, and vitamins, you can protect yourself and

> others from almost anything. Taking classes in acute healing with

> homeopathy and herbs will alleviate the fear many parents feel

> today in the face of ubiquitous and immoral ads for

> vaccines. Since the beginning of time, parents, especially

> mothers, knew how to take care of their families and took on this

> responsibility. It seems that now adults want others to still take

> care of them, perhaps because they did not receive, as I did

> growing up in the 50s, the guidance and caring from their own parents.

I agree totally and also don't have the support that parents had back

in the 50's.

Also we have tried to keep anyone from being ill or having pain by

giving a drug or vaccine. So no one knows how to be sick.

> But killing our children or causing them to have diminished

> lives by injecting them with poisons to make others rich, is

> immoral; parents need to take back their responsibilities in

> raising their children, and right now, in this country, arming

> yourself with education is an important first step. Take a class,

> find a certified homeopath and herbalist, get rid of the junk food

> and eat only healthy, life-giving foods, drink only pure

> water. Fear will disappear but anger at what's happening will

> surface. Use this to make positive changes in your life. And stay

> away from doctors and the medical community as much as possible!

ABSOLUTELY.

Sheri

>We're in this together,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sholtz, Ph.D, RSHom(NA), CCH

>*Registrar, North American Society of Homeopaths

[Guest guest]

>

> One of the best things anyone can do is to educate yourself in

> how to take care of yourself and your family; using homeopathy,

> herbs, healing foods, and vitamins, you can protect yourself and

> others from almost anything. Taking classes in acute healing with

> homeopathy and herbs will alleviate the fear many parents feel

> today in the face of ubiquitous and immoral ads for

> vaccines. Since the beginning of time, parents, especially

> mothers, knew how to take care of their families and took on this

> responsibility. It seems that now adults want others to still take

> care of them, perhaps because they did not receive, as I did

> growing up in the 50s, the guidance and caring from their own parents.

I agree totally and also don't have the support that parents had back

in the 50's.

Also we have tried to keep anyone from being ill or having pain by

giving a drug or vaccine. So no one knows how to be sick.

> But killing our children or causing them to have diminished

> lives by injecting them with poisons to make others rich, is

> immoral; parents need to take back their responsibilities in

> raising their children, and right now, in this country, arming

> yourself with education is an important first step. Take a class,

> find a certified homeopath and herbalist, get rid of the junk food

> and eat only healthy, life-giving foods, drink only pure

> water. Fear will disappear but anger at what's happening will

> surface. Use this to make positive changes in your life. And stay

> away from doctors and the medical community as much as possible!

ABSOLUTELY.

Sheri

>We're in this together,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sholtz, Ph.D, RSHom(NA), CCH

>*Registrar, North American Society of Homeopaths

[Guest guest]

Do you think it depended on where you were? I grew up in NJ--same town all my

life.

Winnie

Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> At 05:51 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:

> >I never had it, or don't remember it. I was born in 1953 and

> didn't

> >have the vaccine, either. I believe it came out in the mid

> 1960's,

> >and those who were born in 1957 or after are assumed to have

> had the

> >vaccine. If anyone around me had the measles, I never heard

> about it.

>

>

> Wow, that is a different experience than I've ever heard from

> the 50's.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> Sept 08

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think it depended on where you were? I grew up in NJ--same town all my

life.

Winnie

Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> At 05:51 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:

> >I never had it, or don't remember it. I was born in 1953 and

> didn't

> >have the vaccine, either. I believe it came out in the mid

> 1960's,

> >and those who were born in 1957 or after are assumed to have

> had the

> >vaccine. If anyone around me had the measles, I never heard

> about it.

>

>

> Wow, that is a different experience than I've ever heard from

> the 50's.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> Sept 08

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

good advice winnie..

Arianna Mojica -   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A.

, National Institutes of Health

~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie

was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the

masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its

speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

www.vaclib.org 

www.909shot.com

 http://www.vacinfo.org/

http://www.vran.org/

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm

 

http://www.moorbows.com/

From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>

Subject: Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:30 AM

Anxiety is good--it's gets you thinking. Just don't make impulsive decisions

based on fear, especially from carefully planned media reports designed to

create that fear in order to get you to vaccinate.

If you think vaccinating is going to relieve your anxiety, let me enlighten you:

It won't. And if you end up with a vaccine damaged child, when you " totally

don't believe in vaccinations, " how will you ever get over that guilt? Separate

the two issues: whether to vaccinate (will it protect or cause harm) and what to

do about disease. You can nurse your children through diseases--people do it all

the time.

Prepare yourself by lining up a good alternative doc now, learn all you can

about homeopathy for you and your family, keep sick children home--and I would

never invite health officials into my private life.

Winnie

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating

> just so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll

> probably try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would

> I need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with

> information for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

good advice winnie..

Arianna Mojica -   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A.

, National Institutes of Health

~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie

was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the

masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its

speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

www.vaclib.org 

www.909shot.com

 http://www.vacinfo.org/

http://www.vran.org/

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm

 

http://www.moorbows.com/

From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>

Subject: Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:30 AM

Anxiety is good--it's gets you thinking. Just don't make impulsive decisions

based on fear, especially from carefully planned media reports designed to

create that fear in order to get you to vaccinate.

If you think vaccinating is going to relieve your anxiety, let me enlighten you:

It won't. And if you end up with a vaccine damaged child, when you " totally

don't believe in vaccinations, " how will you ever get over that guilt? Separate

the two issues: whether to vaccinate (will it protect or cause harm) and what to

do about disease. You can nurse your children through diseases--people do it all

the time.

Prepare yourself by lining up a good alternative doc now, learn all you can

about homeopathy for you and your family, keep sick children home--and I would

never invite health officials into my private life.

Winnie

Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> In Minnesota there have been a few measles cases reported recently,

> and I'm feeling stressed by all of the " scary statistics " that have

> resurfaced because of this. I totally don't believe in vaccinations

> -- but the stress is enough to make me think about vaccinating

> just so

> I don't have to contend with my heart-thumping anxiety about the whole

> issue. I want to know that my kids are safe, but I know that neither

> vaccination nor unvaccination can promise this. It is difficult.

>

> I want my kids to have natural immunity, so I guess we'll

> probably try

> to get the measles some day (perhaps not now because my kids are so

> young), but I guess what would help me feel more confident is some

> information on what a parent would DO if her/his child DID get the

> measles or chicken pox, etc. Would I just wait and see how the

> symptoms progress and then -- what? Would I call a homeopath right

> away so that we could be in contact through the disease? Would

> I need

> to tell health officials? Would I, as a vaccinated adult (who never

> had measles) be at risk if my kids get it?

>

> Is there a web site or forum or book or something with

> information for

> parents of kids who actually GET these diseases?

>

> Thank you. (And someone send me an anti-anxiety pep talk, please!!!)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very good advice, . I have many memories of being bedridden if sick,

otherwise it was off to school. My mom's standard of care was to park a throw-up

pot by our beds, give aspirin in applesauce and serve tea and toast on demand

until we were better. No one left the house until their temp had been normal for

24 hours.

We never were taken to the doctor if we were sick, and good thing because my mom

has always deferred to them because " it's easier. " I also think we weren't as

sick back then so our parents didn't panic and rush us off to the doctor with

breathing problems, hives, etc. that my kids have had, and get the subsequently

damaging drugs they offer.

Winnie

Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> Hi Everyone, especially Jim,

>

> I had the measles back in the 50s; so did all 4 of my

> siblings, and we all emerged healthy and intact, something that

> cannot be said after receiving a vaccine. It was probably

> hardest for my mother, caring for us all as we went through it,

> but as a young child I remember it being nice to be taken care

> of so specially, and having my brothers and sister being so

> solicitous for once! I've always gotten over illnesses quickly;

> I do not remember being in pain or anything horrible at all. As

> someone else said, my mom kept the room darkened, had us sleep

> as much as possible, and bathed us using oatmeal soap to calm

> the itching. It was fun to miss school, and have everyone ask

> how you were when you went back. Having the measles, chicken

> pox, mumps were all a right of passage through childhood;

> everyone I knew had them, and moms talked with other moms about

> how best to get their families through any illness.

>

> One of the best things anyone can do is to educate yourself

> in how to take care of yourself and your family; using

> homeopathy, herbs, healing foods, and vitamins, you can protect

> yourself and others from almost anything. Taking classes in

> acute healing with homeopathy and herbs will alleviate the fear

> many parents feel today in the face of ubiquitous and immoral

> ads for vaccines. Since the beginning of time, parents,

> especially mothers, knew how to take care of their families and

> took on this responsibility. It seems that now adults want

> others to still take care of them, perhaps because they did not

> receive, as I did growing up in the 50s, the guidance and caring

> from their own parents.

>

> But killing our children or causing them to have diminished

> lives by injecting them with poisons to make others rich, is

> immoral; parents need to take back their responsibilities in

> raising their children, and right now, in this country, arming

> yourself with education is an important first step. Take a

> class, find a certified homeopath and herbalist, get rid of the

> junk food and eat only healthy, life-giving foods, drink only

> pure water. Fear will disappear but anger at what's happening

> will surface. Use this to make positive changes in your life.

> And stay away from doctors and the medical community as much as

> possible!

>

> We're in this together,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sholtz, Ph.D, RSHom(NA), CCH

> *Registrar, North American Society of Homeopaths

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very good advice, . I have many memories of being bedridden if sick,

otherwise it was off to school. My mom's standard of care was to park a throw-up

pot by our beds, give aspirin in applesauce and serve tea and toast on demand

until we were better. No one left the house until their temp had been normal for

24 hours.

We never were taken to the doctor if we were sick, and good thing because my mom

has always deferred to them because " it's easier. " I also think we weren't as

sick back then so our parents didn't panic and rush us off to the doctor with

breathing problems, hives, etc. that my kids have had, and get the subsequently

damaging drugs they offer.

Winnie

Re: Measles in Minnesota -- questions

Vaccinations

> Hi Everyone, especially Jim,

>

> I had the measles back in the 50s; so did all 4 of my

> siblings, and we all emerged healthy and intact, something that

> cannot be said after receiving a vaccine. It was probably

> hardest for my mother, caring for us all as we went through it,

> but as a young child I remember it being nice to be taken care

> of so specially, and having my brothers and sister being so

> solicitous for once! I've always gotten over illnesses quickly;

> I do not remember being in pain or anything horrible at all. As

> someone else said, my mom kept the room darkened, had us sleep

> as much as possible, and bathed us using oatmeal soap to calm

> the itching. It was fun to miss school, and have everyone ask

> how you were when you went back. Having the measles, chicken

> pox, mumps were all a right of passage through childhood;

> everyone I knew had them, and moms talked with other moms about

> how best to get their families through any illness.

>

> One of the best things anyone can do is to educate yourself

> in how to take care of yourself and your family; using

> homeopathy, herbs, healing foods, and vitamins, you can protect

> yourself and others from almost anything. Taking classes in

> acute healing with homeopathy and herbs will alleviate the fear

> many parents feel today in the face of ubiquitous and immoral

> ads for vaccines. Since the beginning of time, parents,

> especially mothers, knew how to take care of their families and

> took on this responsibility. It seems that now adults want

> others to still take care of them, perhaps because they did not

> receive, as I did growing up in the 50s, the guidance and caring

> from their own parents.

>

> But killing our children or causing them to have diminished

> lives by injecting them with poisons to make others rich, is

> immoral; parents need to take back their responsibilities in

> raising their children, and right now, in this country, arming

> yourself with education is an important first step. Take a

> class, find a certified homeopath and herbalist, get rid of the

> junk food and eat only healthy, life-giving foods, drink only

> pure water. Fear will disappear but anger at what's happening

> will surface. Use this to make positive changes in your life.

> And stay away from doctors and the medical community as much as

> possible!

>

> We're in this together,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sholtz, Ph.D, RSHom(NA), CCH

> *Registrar, North American Society of Homeopaths

>

>

>

>

>